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Shifting Public Opinion, G20 as Case Study.

Tommy_Paine
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Kudos for May for bringing this to my attention, as I rarely read the Star anymore because they are such a bunch of crypto turds.  I read the Globe who are unabashed turds.

Anyway, from the Star:





http://www.thestar.com/news/torontog20summit/article/1014891--new-poll-f...


It's my view that if there had been an "Inquiry" shortly after the G20, it would have served to allow the establishment Public Relations Machine to control the narrative.  And, the polls would have remained little changed-- if anything, the approval rating might even have been higher.

I thought at the time (and, I found it difficult to think at the time, my anger was such) that we'd be better off getting the truth out via social media, youtube, and good old word of mouth. 

I think this poll bears this out.

I do not believe a so called "Inquiry" would have lead to any more justice than the paltry amount so far aforded us.  Indeed, I think it would have garanteed even less, in fact pilled injustice upon injustice, as it would provide a convenient screen for those involved.


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clandestiny
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 Hello Tom! I wanted to send this to you- an  admirer of Olde Thomas, obviously- and; here goes. William Cobbett was the template for the true curmudgeon; before such goofs as gordon sinclair, don cherry, dick little and so on etc. hijacked the ideal. I just read Dicken's 'Hard Times' and Cobbett was featured in the notes! George Woodcock wrote the intro to Penguin Classics' 'Rural Rides' (which i found in a used bookstore) and he likened Cobbett to George Orwell! Though 'RR' is 180 years old, it could almost be about the reactionarkies we see today, everywhere. Anyway, to think they put up statues to Victoria and churchill (not to mention cecil roads)! yet Sir Thomas was lost in the mist....shame on planet earth!

As far as the G20, i like to point out that we DEFEATED the rightwing goofs in WW2 then this generation just handed over the keys to the store w/out any bother! But notice the news media is really flogging this one, for some reason. Even the TorSun had big headline Saturday critical of the fascasti thugs, ie 'Serve and DEFLECT'!

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Thomas Paine

From William Cobbett, 1762-1835.  His book "Rural Rides" (1830) cover 4 years from 1822 to 1826. He started out as a monarchist, but became a Radical, and was forced temporarily into exile in France and America for his criticism of british aristocracy.

 

From the book notes:

Paine. Thomas Paine, who Cobbett had attacked in his youth, but whom in later life he held in such respect that on his return from America in 1819 he brought Paine's bones home to England. Nobody, he found, was interested in paying for a tomb for Tom Paine, and the bones remained in his house, to pass finally into the hands of his eldest son's creditors and thus to vanish from history.


Tommy_Paine
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Yes, I had run across Cobbett and the bones of Thomas Paine before.  Interesting story.  It seems Paine was left in obscurity for some time, and then re-discovered by later generations.  I'd never heard of him, aside from a few literary refrences, until I picked up 'Common Sense' at a used book store.  Like many people, I think they discover Paine on their own, and this somehow makes him more personal. 

One cannot forget that the police made the mistake of treating the media to their thug tactics.  Various reporters were thrown around and such, so they have an axe to grind.   If the police had of been a little more savy, and left the reporters alone, perhaps we'd be seeing different headlines? 

Everyone wants instant gratification.  I think in these circumstances, time is on our side. 

Video is easy to get.  But timing is everything.  Holding onto to video until after the authorities, thinking there is no evidence to contradict their story, spin a cover up and then releasing the video on social media is probably a good tactic.  As usual, it's not so much the crime as it is the cover up. 

Beyond a tool to shift public opinion, I wonder how this can be used to effect real change.  Real change will happen when the reprobates in authority who green light gangster police actions no longer green light those actions for fear of consequence.

And here is where the activists have gone wrong with all this.  While the G20 has proven to be the gift that keeps on giving when it comes to illuminating to the middle class police attacks on democracy and freedom, there hasn't been a follow up, which is to move the outrage to the Crown Attourney's, the SIU and the Attourney General who have not been doing their jobs.   And we have not presured the media and civic groups into isolating Chief Bliar.    

What if no one gave this man a podium?


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clandestiny
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peter worthington was going on again about Stalin in the T.O. Sunday sun-a bit about terrorised chimps etc being rescued from the labs.Aanyway,  old pete naturally overloked fascism's sins and saw the poor chimps turning to the whitecoats torturers as reminder of the inmates of the Soviet 'gulags' crying that 'if only Comrade Stalin knew, he'd save us' ...the idea being that Stalin was the cause of the gulags- the joke is on them silly lefties! Using this reference then to provide cover, pworth then claimed Stalin 'ordered the insemination of apes with human sperm to try create a super warrior', or some such crazy nonsense. i bring this up because NO ONE but rightwing idiots reads the Torsun- a student from U of T did a study few years ago that showed that all those copies of T.O. Sun in coffeeshops etc were mostly for the sportspages; no one reads the editorials, she found! I now suspect that Stalin was manipulated by west intelligence to try destroy USSR personnele (they have generations of practice exploiting paranoia in poor nations) and ...truth is just so much wasted baggage on the  right wing agenda. For example, Stalin never had Trotsky murdered-he was TOO BUSY running the USSR for gods sakes, and Trotsky was under US police umbrella- surely murdering Trotsky was easier for MI6 and the old CIA etc, and also good pr for fascists by hurting the USSR, creating confusion/fear! All this off topic stuff is to point up the seriousness of the problem we have with fascism. I'm almost certain the electorate isn't as foolish as to give large mandates to reactionary thugs who, obviously, hate the common man. They're lying about vote results; the rightwing aren't winning at all, i willing to bet money on it! Fascism  is pure evil. Yet they somehow win elections- by lying to distracted voters, incessantly...and they get away with it because the mass media always covers for them. (ironically, if one listened to hate radio cfrb/am640 etc, last year, bill blair was TOO LIBERAL, they said. And now that he's revealed to be a thug, rightwing hate radio is singing his praises!) 


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“It's a shame,” he said. “Two or three such prosecutions of lying police officers could scare the rest out of doing it with such abandon. But not prosecuting licenses it.”


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario/peels-hard-line-police-abuse-the-law-critics/article2078107/page2/


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