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The Ongoing Zionist Campaign to Suppress All Criticism of Israel Continues

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M. Spector
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July 11, 2011 - 8:59pm
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You invited Coren's readers here? Geez!


2dawall
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July 11, 2011 - 9:15pm
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Well like I said it was never posted. What I did notice was how many other blogs re-posted his article and more or less said the tantamount to "yeah" without mentioning if they bothered to check it out. Just a reflexsive agreement without a pause to see anything for themselves. My point was that his blog would not allow me to point out something really obvious: that the comment was derided, met with the utmost negativity, etc. I suspected the comment would not get in and this proved me correct. Its not as if what I said was that provacative. Sorry if that alarms or upsets you, M. Spector, but I would point out that we already have a few Zionists posting here and they do not get rebuked that much besides the odd rebuttal from either you, myself, or Catchfire. I see no reason why others cannot join in the fight against any of the Zionist/pro-Israeli posters. There are just too many yet unasserted indictments against Israel that have yet to be made here.

 

M. Spector wrote:

You invited Coren's readers here? Geez!


M. Spector
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July 11, 2011 - 10:08pm
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I was just yanking your chain.

 


Freedom 55
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July 11, 2011 - 10:55pm
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2dawall wrote:

Well this is what I attempted to put up on Coren's blog and it said it would wait for a moderator's approval so it was not a technical issue - but it never appeared. So Coren cannot really accept any rebuttal except for something so crude that it effectively becomes one of his straw men.

 

Same thing happened with my comments. Coren disingenuously holds himself up as a defender of free speech, while accusing rabble [sic] of trying to silence people who they disagree with. Yet it's babble that allows people to post directly, while Coren's blog is pre-moderated, allowing him (or somebody) to pick and choose only those comments that support his narrative. That's why the only critical comment that got through was some ass who suggested he shouldn't have been allowed into Canada.


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July 12, 2011 - 2:07pm
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If that is the case, then it is kind of sad to see the efforts that Coren et al will go to to avoid contact with reality.


2dawall
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July 12, 2011 - 2:12pm
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@M. Spector: oops.

@Freedom 55: Exactly. I wonder if anyone else scanning the Interwebs, etc took notice of that outside of rabble/babble. Thus far I could only find other Rightist blogs doing the 'ditto' wave. And wow those other Rightist blogs are so nauseating that it is beyond the pale, beyond belief. Some are blending their beliefs into total incoherence. A total outright anti-Semite like Paul Fromm is featuring links to Ezra Levant which too much like the English Defense League lining up with the Jewish Defense League.

I have yet to find a Right-wing website that allows posting in the same manner as rabble/babble. My time on the Internet is get more limited as time progresses so I cannot spend too much time searching for that. I would be curious if there are any pro-Zionist Rightist website that do allow that sort of thing.


M. Spector
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July 19, 2011 - 11:09pm
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Before this thread got derailed I referred to the anti-boycott legislation that the Knesset was about to pass (see #23 above).

Well, the bill was passed on July 11.

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The legislation was widely decried as undemocratic and a strike against free speech. Some went as far as to say that the new law delegitimizes Israel.

Criticism was not limited to the left-wing alone. The increasingly right-leaning Jerusalem Post penned an editorial against the legislation. It even sparked a bit of controversy inside of Likud, with a couple of party members likening the legislation to "third world laws."

But the criticism from both the left and right is problematic—for the most part, it neglects the serious problems that were plaguing "Israeli democracy" long before the anti-boycott law was approved.

An editorial penned by the New York City-based Jewish Daily Forward offers an example. After criticizing the recent legislation, the author(s) go on to add, "It may be that when the Israeli Supreme Court hears the inevitable legal challenge to the anti-boycott law, it will rule it unconstitutional and prove, again, that a democratic system of checks and balances exist in the Israel polity."

In reality, the "system of checks and balances" has been broken for some time, with the state consistently ignoring Supreme Court rulings that are not to its liking.

What Israeli Democracy?


2dawall
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July 20, 2011 - 6:41pm
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All of this is just more evidence of what an entirely debased, sick society Israel is becoming. While there is some attention to this in the bigger North American corporate print media, I have not witnessed much on US or Canadian corporate TV news. Or have I missed something?

M. Spector wrote:

Before this thread got derailed I referred to the anti-boycott legislation that the Knesset was about to pass (see #23 above).

Well, the bill was passed on July 11.

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The legislation was widely decried as undemocratic and a strike against free speech. Some went as far as to say that the new law delegitimizes Israel.

Criticism was not limited to the left-wing alone. The increasingly right-leaning Jerusalem Post penned an editorial against the legislation. It even sparked a bit of controversy inside of Likud, with a couple of party members likening the legislation to "third world laws."

But the criticism from both the left and right is problematic—for the most part, it neglects the serious problems that were plaguing "Israeli democracy" long before the anti-boycott law was approved.

An editorial penned by the New York City-based Jewish Daily Forward offers an example. After criticizing the recent legislation, the author(s) go on to add, "It may be that when the Israeli Supreme Court hears the inevitable legal challenge to the anti-boycott law, it will rule it unconstitutional and prove, again, that a democratic system of checks and balances exist in the Israel polity."

In reality, the "system of checks and balances" has been broken for some time, with the state consistently ignoring Supreme Court rulings that are not to its liking.

What Israeli Democracy?


Catchfire
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July 29, 2011 - 2:35pm
#69

Having it both ways

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... but since this was not an official government project and was originally presented as being privately funded — and came with a promise to reveal funding sources when the final report was issued — you could argue that they had a right to run the project the way they chose. After all, it says right on the group's About Us page:

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The CPCCA is not affiliated with the Government of Canada...

Which would be fair enough except for that business of calling itself a "Parliamentary" coalition. And what was that but an attempt to invoke the moral authority invested in the group's members by virtue of their election to represent us? And should I mention that they used government facilities for their meetings and hearings? They certainly seem to have gone out of their way to use their status as MPs to lend credibility to a project that had no formal sanction by parliament — and thus no accountability to it.

 

And now we learn, courtesy of John Geddes at Maclean's, that a big chunk of their operating capital came from the government with which they supposedly had no affiliation. Bear in mind that Jason Kenney is an ex officio member of the coalition and part of its steering committee while you ponder the fact that it received $451,280 in funds from Kenney's Department of Citizen and Immigration. I'd be curious to know how that's justified on the books since this had little to do with either citizenship or immigration....

Pretty sweet deal, I'd say. Use the trappings of elected office to give your own project prestige and the taxpayer's money to supply the bulk of the funding, but remain in a position to be able to blow off those who don't agree with you and guarantee anonymity to the donors of an additional $127,078 — yes, the promise to reveal funding sources was dropped somewhere along the way.

All the advantages of being affiliated with government and none of the accountability.

 


2dawall
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July 29, 2011 - 4:41pm
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Well a usually pro-Conservative Maclean's makes a revelation that is somewhat damaging but it is made during late July as opposed to early June or early September when a lot more people might be paying attention.

Once again, the mainstream media bleeds damaging information at a low ebb of news consumption.

Catchfire wrote:

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And now we learn, courtesy of John Geddes at Maclean's, that a big chunk of their operating capital came from the government with which they supposedly had no affiliation. Bear in mind that Jason Kenney is an ex officio member of the coalition and part of its steering committee while you ponder the fact that it received $451,280 in funds from Kenney's Department of Citizen and Immigration. I'd be curious to know how that's justified on the books since this had little to do with either citizenship or immigration....


NDPP
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July 30, 2011 - 12:48am
#71

New Moves To Curb Criticism Of Israel in US and Canada  - by Kristin Szremski

http://electronicintifada.net/content/new-moves-curb-criticism-israel-us...

"A number of new initiatives to curtail freedom of speech by conflating opposition to Israeli crimes with anti-Semitism are underway in the United States and Canada..

...In other words, since Israel bills itself as a Jewish state, of which all Jews everywhere are automatic citizens, Jewish students can file complaints of anti-Semitism and discrimination based upon their perceived ethnicity and citizenship or residing in a country that has a 'dominant' religion."

Yet the JDL-EDL Zio-Nazi alliance, a blatantly terrorist formation, can spew their poison freely...


2dawall
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July 30, 2011 - 5:06pm
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So how do we fight back?

Do we repeatedly (aka stay on message) point out the EDL/JDL connection?

Do we repeatedly point to the various anti-semites who populate the Christian Zionist movement?

Do we repeatedly point out that Zionism never actually fought for the victims of the Holocaust?

ie http://www.peacealliancewinnipeg.ca/2011/07/israel-and-palestine-whats-going-on-and-what-can-we-do/comment-page-1/#comment-937

 

NDPP wrote:

New Moves To Curb Criticism Of Israel in US and Canada  - by Kristin Szremski

http://electronicintifada.net/content/new-moves-curb-criticism-israel-us...

"A number of new initiatives to curtail freedom of speech by conflating opposition to Israeli crimes with anti-Semitism are underway in the United States and Canada..

...In other words, since Israel bills itself as a Jewish state, of which all Jews everywhere are automatic citizens, Jewish students can file complaints of anti-Semitism and discrimination based upon their perceived ethnicity and citizenship or residing in a country that has a 'dominant' religion."

Yet the JDL-EDL Zio-Nazi alliance, a blatantly terrorist formation, can spew their poison freely...


NDPP
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July 31, 2011 - 5:52am
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Probably lots of things including all of the above - the JDL demo against Muslim students of the TDSB only had a couple of counter-protesters - surely a fucking disgrace in a city as large as TO. Geert Wilders appearance here with the JDL as official security wasn't a whole lot better. As well change the Islamophobic effects of the mainstream politics -protest western wars against Muslim lands or restrain your NDP 'official opposition' from publicly supporting Israel, of which the JDL is a creature, when they align with Israeli attempts to destroy humanitarian initiatives such as BDS or the Gaza boat to interfere with the ongoing genocide of Palestinians. As always most Canadians haven't the foggiest notion that the JDL even exists here and if they do, well cue 'Exodus'...These people don't help things much either.

"this is a lesson to all of us who believe in human dignity that we should rock the boat when we see injustice, when we see xenophobia, when we see racism. I love the moxy and the scrappiness of the Wiesenthal Center being willing to do that..." Jason Kenney

http://mostlywater.org/jason_kenneys_hero

http://www.friendsofsimonwiesenthalcenter.com/downloads/Pipes_invite_web...


M. Spector
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July 31, 2011 - 10:26am
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NDPP wrote:

http://mostlywater.org/jason_kenneys_hero

This is fucking outrageous.

Now we have Cabinet ministers whose heroes are pro-Nazi war criminals!


NDPP
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July 31, 2011 - 1:55pm
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...glad I'm not the only one that thimks so...and an official opposition that supports Zionist ones!

speaking of Tory cabinet ministers and their curious 'friends' - more here:

http://rabble.ca/comment/1210665

and more on Jason Kenney's hero Stepinac: 'one of the heros of the twentieth century'

http://libcom.org/library/role-catholic-church-yugoslavias-holocaust-se-...


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July 31, 2011 - 12:30pm
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A collaborator of course would like another fascist collaborator.  This Catholic asshole of course has been "Blessed" by the current Nazi loving Dobbie Pope.  


NDPP
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July 31, 2011 - 2:17pm
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no wonder Kenney prays to him. Stepinac was declared a martyr by John Paul II in 1998. The awful crimes of the Croatian Ustase, in which he played a part were declared by the Vatican to be simply the 'teething troubles of a new regime'. I would have thought that Kenney's outrageous brownnosing to the Zios might conflict with his hero worship of a Jew murderering Nazi, but then there's the JDL-EDL Zio-Nazi alliance, so I guess my thinking is behind the times and that was then and this is now. Get my drift? [which ends now]


NDPP
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July 31, 2011 - 2:51pm
#78

CBC Apology To JDL (youtube)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5gT3qpQNxo

apparently a CBC slaphead doing bg on the Breivik terror network mistakenly called them a banned terrorist organization in Canada. They should be, but arent. Talk of a lawsuit which the JDL would probably win is in the air and the JDL has already scheduled a fund-raiser.


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July 31, 2011 - 3:30pm
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So was the commentator American?  The JDL in Canada has not been named a terrorist group but the JDL in America is on its list of terrorist organizations.  

Does anyone know of any other group that has made in on the US list but not been named in Canada?


2dawall
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August 2, 2011 - 8:44pm
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Maybe there should be a counter campaign to put it on the terror list (yes I know unlikely but to prove a point) and mention not only JDL's links to EDL but its connections to Kach.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/pg-jdl.html 

or its actual past behavior

NDPP wrote:

CBC Apology To JDL (youtube)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5gT3qpQNxo

apparently a CBC slaphead doing bg on the Breivik terror network mistakenly called them a banned terrorist organization in Canada. They should be, but arent. Talk of a lawsuit which the JDL would probably win is in the air and the JDL has already scheduled a fund-raiser.


M. Spector
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October 17, 2011 - 11:58pm
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John Baird kicks Palestinian envoy out of Ottawa after she recommends a YouTube video that carries an anti-Zionist message.


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October 18, 2011 - 12:35am
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Gee - that's a nice gift to John Baird. Didn't she read the English subtitles before promoting the video? When dealing with scum like Harper and Baird, one ought to exhibit at least a modicum of vigilance and self-preservation.

 


M. Spector
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October 18, 2011 - 12:51am
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I have searched YouTube in vain for the particular version of the video that is referred to in the Globe article. Of course, the Globe would never give us a link to the video so we could see it for ourselves.

There are dozens of copies of the video on YouTube, most of them with Turkish or Arabic subtitles, but there are at least a couple of them with English subtitles. Here is one of them. 


M. Spector
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January 17, 2012 - 9:00pm
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These threads would be incomplete without a reference to the stooges who call themselves by the hilariously and unintentionally ironic name of "HonestReporting".

They have lately been attacking mainstream Canadian media journalists over perceived bias against Israel. You really have to read their tortured logic to believe it. 

I won't link directly to their website, because I don't want to improve their Google ranking. But the CJPME has been keeping track of some of their more egregious attempts to silence anything less than adulation in the MSM for the Zionist project. You can follow their links to the pro-Zionist nonsense.


NDPP
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January 17, 2012 - 9:04pm
#85

Ridiculous - there's nothing more lapdog-servile than Canadian MSM on Israel!


M. Spector
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February 16, 2012 - 6:44pm
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Palestine House has become the latest target of Jason Kenney's ongoing attacks on free speech rights and Palestine solidarity in Canada.

Last week, Palestine House was informed by the Department of Citizenship and Immigration, including its minister, Jason Kenney, that all funding for Palestine House's immigration settlement program had been cut.

Before Kenney's announcement, department officials had praised Palestine House, a Palestinian cultural and educational organization based in Mississauga, for its highly successful settlement program.

Canadian Boat to Gaza


NDPP
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February 16, 2012 - 7:25pm
#87

Hitman Jason Kenney Strikes Again

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/article/1132117--hitman-jason-kenney-again

That the Canadian government is proclaimed 'Israel's best friend' and that Israel's Avi Lieberman can come here to state that all parties are in complete agreement with the Zionist entity's malevolent racist, apartheid policies, should be a matter of great concern to all Canadians. George Galloway is hardly overstating the fact when he refers to this country as little more than 'an embassy for Benjamin Netanyahu'. The mean-spirited targeting of Palestine House and our Arab community is merely the latest sorry chapter of an ongoing Islamaphobic war at home and abroad. The willful indifference to this by most of the citizenry must be replaced by an energetic active intervention to make it stop.


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February 27, 2012 - 11:30am
#88

From the NDP web site:

Defunding Palestine House hurts new Canadians

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“New Democrats are disappointed by the decision of the Conservative government to arbitrarily terminate funding for settlement services at Palestine House. Organizations like Palestine House provide essential services to help newcomers adjust to life in Canada.

“Palestine House settlement services have been funded continuously by Citizenship and Immigration Canada for over eighteen years. They have helped thousands of New Canadians in the Mississauga community with programs to help with language training and skills development.   Importantly, these clients come from all corners of the world, from all faiths and backgrounds.

“Given the high quality and success of its programming, it’s clear the Minister cancelled this funding for political reasons, all of which have turned out to be spurious.   And it’s the communities that rely on these services that are hurt most by this kind of interference. The Minister must stop playing politics and reverse his decision.

“This is the just the latest in a long line of politically-motivated funding cuts to public service organizations.  From Palestine House to ecumenical KAIROS, this government’s unbalanced approach to the Middle East is hurting Canada’s reputation and isolating us on the world stage.”

 


M. Spector
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February 28, 2012 - 8:57pm
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Next weekend a student-organized conference at Harvard University will explore the pros and cons of a one-state solution in Israel/Palestine.

The Zionists are having a shit-fit over it and trying to have the university shut it down.

Organizers have responded with an Open Letter to the presidents of Harvard and the Harvard Kennedy School, who have both gone to extreme lengths to disassociate the university from the conference and to express their disapproval of what they assume will be said by the speakers. An excerpt from the Open Letter:

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The charge that the conference is “one-sided” is completely and entirely baseless. Some speakers in the conference are not supporters of one-state while others have not expressed an opinion about the matter. The charge of “one-sidedness” is not invoked by these same critics in relation to conferences that discuss the “two-state” solution nor in relation to other academic conferences. For example, there has never been a claim of “one-sidedness” against conferences discussing the effects of global warming when global warming deniers are not invited.

The aim of this conference is to explore the possibility of different solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Invoking inflammatory language like “anti-semitism” and “destruction of Israel” to describe the ideas and speakers of the conference is not only incorrect and defamatory but serves to prevent rational discussion of ideas and preempt the effective exercise of speech.
 


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February 28, 2012 - 9:28pm
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Reminds me of this home-grown scandal - only in our case, the attempt to sabotage the conference came from Harper's cabinet:

CAUT calls for Minister Goodyear’s resignation over political interference and attack on academic freedom

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CAUT has learned that [Minister of State for Science and Technology Gary] Goodyear telephoned the president of the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council (SSHRC) to ask him to reconsider a peer-reviewed decision to fund an academic conference called “Israel/Palestine: Mapping models of statehood and prospects for peace” being held at York University later this month.


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