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US Prison Population at Record High

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Boom Boom
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I'll be dead by then, God willing.


Sineed
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Fidel wrote:

Sisters freed on kidney donation promise 16 years for an armed robbery that netted them between $11 and $200 dollars

CBC.ca wrote:
The sisters' lawyer, Chokwe Lumumba, said the women hope to get government-funded Medicaid health insurance in Florida, and begin the needed steps to make the transplant happen.

I saw this story too, Fidel.  Basically, it's costing the state $200,000 per year for the one sister's dialysis.  Like the private jail industry in general, the decision is driven by economic concerns. And cannabis legalization is opposed by growers stateside, who foresee massive profit losses if their product should become legal.  Organized crime would also be opposed for the same reasons.

Fidel
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Isn't it ridiculous? They've got real crooks on Wall Street who will do zero time for robbing current and future US taxpayers of trillions of dollars. Banksters don't have to commit armed robbery when they pull off largest bank heists of the millenium. Hypocrisy!


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Youth and the Myth of Post-Racial Society Under Barack Obama

Henry Giroux wrote:
As the toll in human suffering increases daily, Obama and his Wall Street advisers bail out the banks and the rich just as crucial social services for children are being cut back, unemployment is soaring into record numbers and more and more youth of color are disappearing into an abysmal pit of poverty, despair and hopelessness. Raised in a blood-drenched culture of violence mediated by an economic Darwinism that harbors a rabid disdain for the common good, poor minority kids appear to be completely off the radar of public concern and government compassion. And Obama, for all of his soaring poetic imagery of unity and justice, falls flat on his face by allowing his Secretary of Education Arnie Duncan to offer up reform policies that amount to nothing more than another version of Bush's No Child Left Behind with its anti-union ideology and obsessive investment in measurement and accountability schemes that strips any talk of educational reform of any viability while turning schools into nothing more than testing factories - policies that disproportionately punish brown and black youth. These racially exclusionary set of policies and institutions have become especially cruel since the beginning of the neoconservative revolution in the 1980s, and are not poised to disappear soon under the presidency of Barack Obama - in fact, given the current economic crisis, they may even get worse.

Now there's a question crying for some data. Has the incarceration of African-Americans gotten WORSE under this "post-racial" President?

 


West Coast Greeny
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Maysie wrote:

Jebus cripes. 

Arriving late to the party.

Snert you're trolling. Stay out of this thread and stop trolling babble. Yes that's a warning.

N.Beltov, stop the personal attacks and name-calling. 

 

Maysie, I disagree with you. If a progressive won't stand up for human rights in all countries, including socialist ones, then he's not a progressive. Snert did nothing more than to point out that the incarceration problem in the United States has more to do than with the fact that its a capitalist state. There are lots of states that embrace the free market almost as fully with very low incarceration rates: Canada (1%), Japan (<1%), South Korea (0.5%). All rates much lower than Cuba (4.8%).

 


N.Beltov
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Actually, Snert's remarks began, over a year ago now, by efforts to sidetrack this thread - which is ostensibly about the US prison population - by reference to an alleged prisoner in another country. He ignored the suggestion to start his own thread about this matter which he obviously felt strongly about. 

So strongly, in fact, that no such thread has been started (other than the one one linked to that has no further contributions) and he hasn't posted on this thread in over a year. [/end sarcasm] 

 

BTW, i notice that you've quoted incarceration rates for some countries other than the USA without a link. I guess we should just take your word for those numbers, eh?

 


Fidel
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And then there are the unofficial prisoners jailed around the world in the CIA's torture gulags:

Clive Stafford Smith: US Holding 27,000 in Secret Overseas Prisons; Transporting Prisoners to Iraqi Jails to Avoid Media & Legal Scrutiny 2008


Sineed
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Relative incarceration rates:

Canada is comparable to Western European countries, sort of:


West Coast Greeny
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N.Beltov wrote:

Actually, Snert's remarks began, over a year ago now, by efforts to sidetrack this thread - which is ostensibly about the US prison population - by reference to an alleged prisoner in another country. He ignored the suggestion to start his own thread about this matter which he obviously felt strongly about. 

So strongly, in fact, that no such thread has been started (other than the one one linked to that has no further contributions) and he hasn't posted on this thread in over a year. [/end sarcasm] 

 

BTW, i notice that you've quoted incarceration rates for some countries other than the USA without a link. I guess we should just take your word for those numbers, eh?

 

There was a link posted near the top of the thread. 

World Prison Population List


Fidel
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The Prison Industrial Complex in America  American prisoners treated like slaves? (video)

Was slavery really abolished by 1865 in America? Prisoners in America working seven days a week for no pay in a $40 billion dollar a year closed economy that benefits some of America's largest and most profitable corporations.

Vicky Pelaez wrote:
Prison labor has its roots in slavery. After the 1861-1865 Civil War, a system of "hiring out prisoners" was introduced in order to continue the slavery tradition. Freed slaves were charged with not carrying out their sharecropping commitments (cultivating someone else's land in exchange for part of the harvest) or petty thievery - which were almost never proven - and were then "hired out" for cotton picking, working in mines and building railroads. From 1870 until 1910 in the state of Georgia, 88% of hired-out convicts were Black. In Alabama, 93% of "hired-out" miners were Black. In Mississippi, a huge prison farm similar to the old slave plantations replaced the system of hiring out convicts. The notorious Parchman plantation existed until 1972....


epaulo13
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Prisoners Have Nothing to Gain By Eating

by David Swanson / July 18th, 2011

Prisoners risking death by refusing food in the Pelican Bay supermax, and those hunger striking in solidarity in prisons around California are a judgment of our sickness. “The degree of civilization in a society,” said Dostoyevsky, “can be judged by entering its prisons.”

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And we routinely subject large numbers of prisoners to the torture of near-total isolation. We lock human beings in little boxes for 22 or 23 hours per day. When it’s done to an accused whistleblower like Bradley Manning, we protest. But what about when it’s done to thousands of people, many of them baselessly accused of being members of gangs? Where is the outrage?

We should be refusing to eat. We should be shutting down our government with nonviolent action. We should be risking the lives we have. Instead the burden has fallen to those who have little or no lives to risk. The prisoners themselves are taking action and gaining power from behind bars.

Look at the prisoners’ demands....

http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/07/prisoners-have-nothing-to-gain-by


epaulo13
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edit to delete. found the posting to be anti labour


DaveW
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Montreal photog Ron Levine has chronicled the lives of older prisoners in the US:

 

http://www.fremantleprison.com.au/whatson/previousexhibitions/prisonerso...

 

http://www.amazon.com/Prisoners-Age-Exhibition-Ron-Levine/dp/0970150407

 

 

 


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My reading of analysis of the neoliberal/conservative attack on education in the USA has shown some of the data of the prison conveyor - especially for young black males in the USA. The USA is really quite despicable.

Reflections on the Racial Web of Discipline MR vol 63 no 3 pp. 87-95

Crystal T. Laura wrote:
... nearly half of all black adolescent males in the United States quit high school before earning a diploma.... Each year, Civic Enterprises reported in The Silent Epidemic, almost one-third of public school students and nearly one-half of youth of colour do not graduate high school with their class. The problem is particularly acute for African-Americans, who represent about 15 percent of those below the age of 18 but make up 14 percent of all school dropouts, 26 percent of all youths arrested, 46 percent of those detained in juvenile jails, and 58 percent of all juveniles sent to adult prisons. The school to prison pipeline is not an ideological claim; the numbers speak for themselves.

 A school to prison PIPELINE - that is reality for African-America men in the "good old" USA.


Grandpa_Bill
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This thread has provided some sobering, even alarming facts.

I'm wondering:  are any of these facts actionable?  I've read the thread from top to bottom looking for something that might be done, but have found nothing.

Is there someone here who has seen deeper into this thread, thought more about the issue, and found something to do?  IF so, what have you done?

 


Boom Boom
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I thought a few months ago prison decline - especially in Texas - was on the decline - someone from Texas came to Canada to argue against the Con's "super-prisons".


Grandpa_Bill
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On second thought, I sent this message to my American nephews and cousins:

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I just finished reading a blog post with this title:

U.S. prison population at record high

What's this all about?   A comment in the posting thread had this reference:

Reflections on the Racial Web of Discipline MR vol 63 no 3 pp. 87-95

Crystal T. Laura wrote:

. . . nearly half of all black adolescent males in the United States quit high school before earning a diploma. . . . Each year, Civic Enterprises reported in The Silent Epidemic, almost one-third of public school students and nearly one-half of youth of colour do not graduate high school with their class. The problem is particularly acute for African-Americans, who represent about 15 percent of those below the age of 18 but make up 14 percent of all school dropouts, 26 percent of all youths arrested, 46 percent of those detained in juvenile jails, and 58 percent of all juveniles sent to adult prisons. The school to prison pipeline is not an ideological claim; the numbers speak for themselves.

Surely none of you folk nor your kids or grandkids are in that pipeline, but you may know some who are . . . .  What must that be like, eh?!

Hope they don't take offence.  Wonder whether/how they will respond.


Caissa
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And in Canadian prison news:

Inmates in Canada will pay more money for their room and board, and some offenders employed within institutions through a popular job skills program will no longer be paid, Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said today.

Toews also announced changes to the way inmates can buy goods, and that they will be charged more for using telephones.

The public safety minister said the changes are designed to increase offender accountability and will also save taxpayers more than $10 million per year.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/05/09/pol-inmates-toews.html


Boom Boom
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Yes, I was watching that on CBC Newsworld a few minutes ago. A John Howard spokesperson is concerned about this, I think they have a press conference coming up later. The concern is that inmates now won't have as much money saved up upon release to survive while they're trying to get integrated back into society.


alan smithee
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The irony to this 'get-tough-on-crime' agenda is the Reformers are making conditions more and more dangerous for prison workers..A major prison riot could happen any day now.


Boom Boom
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'double bunking' especially.


Fidel
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USA Largest Gulag Nation in the World bar None

Just don't accuse the American Military Inquisition of conspiring to wage a phony global war on terror.

Because that's just wild conspiracy theory according to quiet apologists for a vicious empire.

 


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