babble is rabble.ca's discussion board but it's much more than that: it's an online community for folks who just won't shut up. It's a place to tell each other — and the world — what's up with our work and campaigns.
I'm not sure if it's a legitimate observation or not, but it seems a lot of threads are showing up with pretty safe topics.
I think you're right. Remembering Skydome. Youtube goodies. Living together before marriage (to be fair, that would have been controversial, in about 1955). etc.
I guess , Ikosmos, you assume I need you to tell me the value of the posters I mentioned, not so, I was there, and participated, to a small measure at the time, jeff was awseome, as was heph, reality bites and the rest. funny though i don't recall an ikosmos. whatever, it's irrelevant.
I don't remember you either, I ventured an opinion based on experience as well. And I'd rather not spend much time criticizing someone who can't defend themselves because they're no longer here.
Remind seems to be as her status said - gone. She hasn't posted in going on two days now.
I fear I may be joining her as I am losing interest in posting here. Since I don't agree with what is and is not considered anti colonialism in the FN threads and more and more start seeing discrepancies in my beliefs and what the mods are siting as babble's beliefs (as in the thread remind decided to leave from) I am posting on a more like minded board and spending more time there than here and am missing days and very well soon may be missing weeks or months without checking in here. I enjoyed my time here when my beliefs were in line with what the mods stated, even when I was wrong because then it became a learning experience because I got to come up against like minded people who challenged what I thought and made me truly understand why I believed what I believed and either made me more firm in the belief or made me understand where the holes in my reasoning were.
I fear that Maysie, Michelle and Oldgoat who worked at their jobs and went way beyond their call of duty may have built up this board to something that rabble themselves aren't willing to sustain by investing money and creating positions that were invented by the previous mods which involved time and collaboration, research and talent to make the board run as smoothly as it did.
I wish there were something we could do as babblers to make rabble take babble more seriously and actually have people there who do what Maysie, Michelle and Oldgoat did with scraps. But I fear it will dwindle away to what effort rabble actually puts into babble and rabble won't see it and won't care.
So at this point Catchfire, though I am not official you can add 2 more to the MIA list which is 5 for you but likely much higher if people actually looked to see who isn't posting.
And if anyone has any ideas (activist site it is suppose to be) on how to get across to rabble start a thread, I would be very interested in following that.
Since I don't agree with what is and is not considered anti colonialism in the FN threads and more and more start seeing discrepancies in my beliefs and what the mods are siting as babble's beliefs (as in the thread remind decided to leave from) I am posting on a more like minded board and spending more time there than here and am missing days and very well soon may be missing weeks or months without checking in here.
Refuge, for what it's worth - please stay. Catchfire's views in that "free the schools" thread were expressed as his own, not as "policy". If I thought babble policy were to permit Muslims, Jews, or atheists to have prayer time in public schools, and to have any kind of segregation between males and females, I would be so fucking out of here. But I think it's just Catchfire, and personally I'm hoping he'll think twice about what he said there - especially since every single other poster disagreed with him.
it's just Catchfire, and personally I'm hoping he'll think twice about what he said there - especially since every single other poster disagreed with him.
Don't attack marginalized communities already alienated by a culture which mercilessly and incessantly antagonizes them.
This is more what I am referring to - this coming from a mod is not an opinion. The opinion stuff, fine, might have some disagreements about some things in the way they are done but I would do that directly to mods, not on the boards if A I thought it would actually lead to a productive conversation which in my experience it hasn't or B if I thought I would get an answer at all, which in my experience is also not happening.
It just comes down to rabble not creating a proper position. If you go to a centre where they are committed to their employees by giving proper pay, proper hours, don't expect working for free, provide training experiences and encourage employee bonding you end up with a great place to go to programming, build relationships and learn but without that then most time you end up with something quite different.
I don't think it is a problem with this or that, I see a bigger problem with rabble and their value of babble. I think before Michelle, Maysie and Oldgoat took the brunt of this maybe because they were just superstars or maybe because babble was not big enough when they started and it grew into these problems but with them out of the line of fire I think it is becoming clear what is happening behind the scenes.
Oh, and I am not setting out to quit babble. Only other places are much more attractive than this place because you can discuss issues learn and not be continue sly surprised by paternalism. I feel like it has become a little like Lord of the flies over here. There needs to be some place to go, someone to talk to to straighten things out if your unhappy because babble is so big now. But that is not happening. So off to a smaller forum where the members themselves can be the ones to help self moderate. That doesn't work on babble any more.
I miss Maysie and Old Goat and Michelle. I find Catchfire often intervenes to protect nasty right wing opinions and is vey much a "hockey" moderator. He gives retaliation penalties and ignores the original posts that caused the angry reaction in the first place all in the name of letting the "boys" play.
I just want to make this clear if anyone starts a thread please don't make it about thoughts on the moderators. My thoughts are on what is wrong with the bigger picture. There very well may be reasons for this moderator acting this way or that moderator doing it this way. These have to do with lack of training, lack of an ability to consult with other employees, to low pay and to little hours to do the job properly. Ah forget it, I will start a thread, just don't know if it will be me and the crickets.
By my count, three babblers left (one or two non-babblers dropped in only to register their disappointment, of course) over the decision to stop discussions with credited the CIA, incredibly and without evidence, for orchestrating the Arab Spring.
Sorry I missed it. I was busy.
I hope I'm still alive when the CIA archives are opened and we find out the details of their involvement with the Arab Spring. If we ever do. I think they have shredded their involvement with the fall of John Diefenbaker's government in 1962-3. Meanwhile, we can ask "who benefits?"
I really miss ALOT of babbler's...I feel my learning curve has dropped. And don't get me wrong, I LOVE the ones still struggling on.
Please come back. I don't have to name you. You know who you are. You are the reason I joined this site and I really miss you.
Happy New Year and all the Best to Everybody!!!
Reality Bites, Hephaestion, cueball, jeff house....
jeff is a bright guy but a pathological anti communist. no great loss. cue had his reasons. heph is gone, as in GONE. dont know about RB.
Such stupid condescension. What the hell have you ever done?
I guess , Ikosmos, you assume I need you to tell me the value of the posters I mentioned, not so, I was there, and participated, to a small measure at the time, jeff was awseome, as was heph, reality bites and the rest. funny though i don't recall an ikosmos. whatever, it's irrelevant.
I don't remember you either, I ventured an opinion based on experience as well. And I'd rather not spend much time criticizing someone who can't defend themselves because they're no longer here.
Scrotout --- I remember them. And miss them.
I'm constantly reminded of how much I miss Heph everytime I visit En Masse.
Reality Bites posted on En Masse at the very start for a few months, then left after some interpersonal disputes.
I miss Heph a whole lot and am certain his memory will live on.
Agreed. He was such a powerful presence, when I read old threads at EM, I feel like he's still around. In many ways, I supose he still is.
Speaking of En-Masse, Al-Q and Fidel both seem to be posting there.
And Slumberjack.
Remind seems to be as her status said - gone. She hasn't posted in going on two days now. I fear I may be joining her as I am losing interest in posting here. Since I don't agree with what is and is not considered anti colonialism in the FN threads and more and more start seeing discrepancies in my beliefs and what the mods are siting as babble's beliefs (as in the thread remind decided to leave from) I am posting on a more like minded board and spending more time there than here and am missing days and very well soon may be missing weeks or months without checking in here. I enjoyed my time here when my beliefs were in line with what the mods stated, even when I was wrong because then it became a learning experience because I got to come up against like minded people who challenged what I thought and made me truly understand why I believed what I believed and either made me more firm in the belief or made me understand where the holes in my reasoning were. I fear that Maysie, Michelle and Oldgoat who worked at their jobs and went way beyond their call of duty may have built up this board to something that rabble themselves aren't willing to sustain by investing money and creating positions that were invented by the previous mods which involved time and collaboration, research and talent to make the board run as smoothly as it did. I wish there were something we could do as babblers to make rabble take babble more seriously and actually have people there who do what Maysie, Michelle and Oldgoat did with scraps. But I fear it will dwindle away to what effort rabble actually puts into babble and rabble won't see it and won't care. So at this point Catchfire, though I am not official you can add 2 more to the MIA list which is 5 for you but likely much higher if people actually looked to see who isn't posting. And if anyone has any ideas (activist site it is suppose to be) on how to get across to rabble start a thread, I would be very interested in following that.
Refuge, for what it's worth - please stay. Catchfire's views in that "free the schools" thread were expressed as his own, not as "policy". If I thought babble policy were to permit Muslims, Jews, or atheists to have prayer time in public schools, and to have any kind of segregation between males and females, I would be so fucking out of here. But I think it's just Catchfire, and personally I'm hoping he'll think twice about what he said there - especially since every single other poster disagreed with him.
Except for the ones who didn't.
I miss Maysie and Old Goat and Michelle. I find Catchfire often intervenes to protect nasty right wing opinions and is vey much a "hockey" moderator. He gives retaliation penalties and ignores the original posts that caused the angry reaction in the first place all in the name of letting the "boys" play.
Sorry I missed it. I was busy.
I hope I'm still alive when the CIA archives are opened and we find out the details of their involvement with the Arab Spring. If we ever do. I think they have shredded their involvement with the fall of John Diefenbaker's government in 1962-3. Meanwhile, we can ask "who benefits?"
What did y'all do with 'Remind' while I was away?
You were away?
Not away from you Caissa.
Right. I kept running into you at the Other Place.
Remind left
In keeping with the holiday spirit of this thread, I thought it might be the appropriate place to deck this one out:
Just for the record, no alarms were sounded here. I would have preferred not to have been implicated in the decision.
Well hi there, stranger!