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NDPP
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Latest news from Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya in Tripoli:

"Tripoli has been the object of extensive bombings of residential areas, creating an atmosphere of panic. Meanwhile, rebel forces have entered into Tripoli and there is fighting in the downtown area. Rebel forces are not the decisive factor. The decisive factor is the extensive NATO bombings.

Rebels are few in number. One suspects that highly trained NATO Special Forces are operating covertly within rebel ranks.."

JTF2 anyone?


WilderMore
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It's over. Gaddafi's guards have gone over to the freedom fighters' side, his son has been arrested.

 

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Euphoric Libyan rebels moved into the capital Tripoli on Sunday and moved close to centre with little resistance as Moammar Gadhafi's defenders melted away. The opposition's leaders said Colonel Gadhafi's son and one-time heir apparent, Seif al-Islam, has been arrested.

A rebel leader said the unit in charge of protecting Col. Gadhafi and Tripoli had surrendered and joined the revolt, allowing the opposition force to move in freely."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-mideast/rebels-close-in...

 

 


laine lowe
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On our way home from a friend, we saw a car drive by honking its horn with a crescent moon/star flag waving out the window. My partner said, "What do you think that's about?". I said it was probably the fall of Gadhafi. I'm thinking I was right.


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Aug 20 - Libya Asks UN to Probe NATO 'Abuses'

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE77J04120110820

[Libyan Prime Minister] Mahmoudi asked for "a high level delegation..to visit Libya as soon as possible and look closely at NATO abuses and what is happening in Libya and discuss a solution between Libyans themselves without foreign interference,' JANA reported.."


West Coast Greeny
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Rebels have entered the Green Square in Tripoli. Huge celebrations in both Benghazi and Tripoli on al-Jazeera. It's not over, but the end is inevitable now. Libyans are bad ass.

Let's review:
- Benghazi and tens of thousands of freedom fighters have been saved from slaughter.
- One of the world's most oppressive dictators is gone from power forever.
- The US spent $1billion enforcing the no-fly zone, $3 per civilian.
- Civilian casualties from foreign bombs were minimal, despite what [sarcasm]hugely credible[/sarcasm] RussiaToday and globalresearch.com is saying.
- The Gaddafi regime might go on trail at the ICC. 

It's tough for alot of people here to swallow (though I think the majority of people here are on my side), but history will show that this foreign intervention was not only worth it, but was executed very well in general.


WilderMore
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WCG, it was definitely worth it.

 

 


laine lowe
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WilderMore wrote:

WCG, it was definitely worth it.

 

 

Time will tell. Was it worth toppling Saddam Hussein or the Taliban Government? Again, time will tell and so will the witnesses of those who had to live with foreign bombings and firefights.


West Coast Greeny
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Al-Jazeera Live Stream Best news organization covering the Civil War by far.


Stockholm
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Ding Dong the Witch is Dead! Maybe they can put Gadhafi in a cage and have the families of the people he murdered on the PanAm flight over Lockerbie to take turns pelting him with rotten fruit!


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laine lowe wrote:

Time will tell. Was it worth toppling Saddam Hussein or the Taliban Government? Again, time will tell and so will the witnesses of those who had to live with foreign bombings and firefights.

Saddam and the Taliban were toppled almost entirely by a foreign intervention. In each case the toppling was about 90% US and 10% local dissidents. In Libya its the reverse - there was already a mass uprising against pig Gadhafi and the NATO bombing was very much a second supporting role. The credit for the fall of pig Gadhafi is about 95% Libyan dissidents and 5% the support they got from NATO. In the meantime, the world has one less fascist dictator - what's not to like?


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New Report Puts Us On The Road to Finally Discovering Lockerbie Truth

http://lockerbiecase.blogspot.com/2011/08/new-report-may-put-us-on-road-...

"The most important questions are: first, if Megrahi's conviction for the bombing is unsound...who did carry out the atrocity?"


Fidel
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West Coast Greeny wrote:
Al-Jazeera Live Stream Best news organization covering the Civil War by far.

Al-Jazeera is based in a country where monarchs rule. As in, nobody votes for the brutal US-backed military dictatorhips in any of Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Bahrain etc. How much informing of the public occurs in any of those countries due to Al Jazeera's efforts, really? In fact, Qatar contributed military jets to an illegal blitzkrieg over Libya.

Let's Google it up for look.

Stockholm wrote:
The credit for the fall of pig Gadhafi is about 95% Libyan dissidents and 5% the support they got from NATO.

Let me Google something for you


West Coast Greeny
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Al-Jazeera are the ones with reporters on the ground, I presume not in front of a green screen, and I don't think zombie Bin Laden is in charge of the rebel movement (though I don't think there's much doubt NATO was decisive in helping the wildly outgunned (not outmanned) rebels).


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Qaddafi Plea: 'Save Libya', After Son Captured

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/08/22/163423.html

"Embattled Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi has made a second appeal for his people to 'save Tripoli' from a rebel offensive, in an audio message played on state television on Sunday. 'It is the obligation of all Libyans. It is a question of life or death,' he said.

Government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim said on state television that Colonel Qaddafi is ready for immediate negotiations with rebels seeking to oust him, and had asked NATO to convince the rebel forces to halt an attack on Tripoli.

Mr. Ibrahim added that 1,300 people had been killed in fighting in Tripoli on Sunday.."


RT: Shooting in Gaddafi's House Stops Live Interview (and vid)

'AL Qaeda leading NATO rebels in Tripoli' (Lizzie Phelan)

http://rt.com/news/tripoli-fights-rebels-shooting-546/ (and vid)

"This war is not about Colonel Gaddafi. Colonel Gaddafi is just a pretext for this war. This war has everything to do with stealing from the Libyan people. There is shock, there is fear, there is denial and there is resistance. And many of the defenders of Tripoli are children...According to Nazemroaya, international journalists are being targeted by the rebels and the NATO forces that support them. This is a NATO war. NATO bombs anything that moves..'



Fidel
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West Coast Greeny wrote:

Al-Jazeera are the ones with reporters on the ground, I presume not in front of a green screen, and I don't think zombie Bin Laden is in charge of the rebel movement (though I don't think there's much doubt NATO was decisive in helping the wildly outgunned (not outmanned) rebels).

 

Elvis bin Laden was dead years ago. 

As for the Libyan chapter of al-Qaeda, most of them fought for the CIA in 1980s and 90s Afghanistan same as bin Laden,  and same goes for al-CIA'duh's current leader. Ayman Zawahiri used to schmooze with U.S. Special Forces Army officer Ali Mohamed. They did fundraisers together in Silicon Valley for years, and contributions went to al-CIA'duh black ops abroad.  And interestingly enough, Ayman's brother ran an al-CIA'duh training camp in a U.S. protected zone of Kosovo in the late 1990s. 

You know what they say, what comes around goes around.


takeitslowly
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Are the Saudi families as bad as qaddafi?  How bad is he really? Relative to other dictators in the region?


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West Coast Greeny wrote:

... but history will show that this foreign intervention was not only worth it, but was executed very well in general.

So well in fact, that it looks like it's providing a blueprint for other Wars of Aggression, foreign intervention and regime change for Syria, Iran, North Korea and who knows where else.


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Time To End NATO Crimes in Libya, - by Dennis Kucinich

http://www.pacificfreepress.com/news/1/9528-time-to-end-nato-crimes-in-l...

"...Regardless of whether Muammar Gaddafi is ousted in coming days, the war against Libya has seen countless violations of UN security council resolutions by NATO and UN member states. So much for the humanitarian-inspired UNSCR 1973 as a means to protect civilians...

The leading donor nations of NATO - the US, France and Great Britain - have been free to prosecute war under the cloak of this faceless, bureaucratic, alphabet security agency, now multinational war machine, which can violate UN resolutions and kill innocent civilians with impunity..

War crimes trials are for losers. The prospective conquerors, the Western powers and their rebel proxies, will then expect to be able to assert control over Libya's vast oil and national gas reserves..

How can we expect this grim manifesto of intervention to ever result in anything but tragedy? It's time to end the war against Libya.

 

Libyan Rebels Reach Tripoli's Green Square

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/08/21/libya.html

"Canada is hopeful that the end is near for the Gadhafi regime and that authority will soon transition to the National Transitional Council of Libya, the recognized governing body of Libya,' PMO spokesman Dimitri Soudas said in a statement.."

but curiously, again, no mention of NATO's Canadian butcher-boy, Lt Gen. Charles Bouchard.

 

 


Fidel
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NATO & their al-Qaeda Gladio allies terrorizing another oil-rich country.

Score a big one for TOTAL, Occidental, ConocoPhillips, and BP oil companies.

Democracy should really be referred to as Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. - George


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Seems like RT and company are doing allot of last minute whining about Kaddafi going down. These RT internet postings are behind the info curve as to what's happing in Tripoli. I'm been watching BBC live (till about an hour ago) and the government station is off the air, the minders have left the hotels where journalists stay and most all the government people have disappeared. Rebel groups and cheering crowds are everywhere.


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laine lowe wrote:

WilderMore wrote:

WCG, it was definitely worth it.

Time will tell. Was it worth toppling Saddam Hussein or the Taliban Government? Again, time will tell and so will the witnesses of those who had to live with foreign bombings and firefights.

Time will tell to whom it was worth it.

 


Mike Stirner
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"WAR is a crime."

 

No it's not, the very notion of crime is built on the foundation of institutional monopolized violence to begin with, from the classical epoch onward, getover the moralism already.


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Chavez: 'Let's Pray for Libyan Civilians'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/195103.html

"Today they dropped I do not know how many bombs,' he regretted. 'The aim of the US [Canada!] and its European allies, who participate in the operation, is to intervene and seize a country and its riches,' he added."

 


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"...there is a second illusion to which the West has succumbed - the illusion to think that it is still possible to devastate a country and kill its people without legal consequences...In the case of Libya, the violations of international law are countless. NATO, as an organization, is legally responsible for the material and human damage of this war. The law leaves no room for doubt that the organization must pay...In a democracy no one can claim to be innocent of the crimes committed in its name..."

War Propaganda: Libya and the End of Western Illusions  - by Thierry Meyssan

http://www.voltairenet.org/libya-and-the-end-of-Western

Lt. Gen Charles Bouchard, NATO's Canadian commander, and his accomplices in these warcrimes have much to answer for...

Press Conference, Moussa Ibrahim, August 21, 2011 (and video)

http://www.wat.tv/video/libya-press-conference-moussa-41fqd_31wod_.html

"We are saying out loud to the world that Tripoli has been turned into a hell-fire because of NATO's actions. We appeal to the heart of the world.."

 


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RT: Ninety Percent of Tripoli Under Rebel Control - Celebrations in Green Square (and videos)

http://rt.com/news/tripoli-fights-rebels-shooting-546/

Interviews iwth Lizzie Phelan, Michael Parenti and Canadian journalist Mahdi Nazemroaya, who says:

'I feel that my life is in danger right now'. He told RT the situation on the ground is very dangerous and that his hotel is surrounded by rebel gunmen..'

Please help protect Canadian Mahdi Nazemroaya by contacting the Emergency operations Centre in Ottawa at 00-1-613-996-8885 or send an email to sos@international.gc.ca


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NATO Slaugher in Tripoli: 'Operation Mermaid Dawn,'  -  by Thierry Meyssan (and video)

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26118

"On Saturday evening, at 8 PM, when the hour of Iftar marked the breaking of the Ramadan fast, the NATO Command [under the leadership of Canadian Lt. General Charles Bouchard], launched its 'Operation Mermaid Dawn,' against Libya..."


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NATO Backed Forces Move into Tripoli  -  by Patrick Martin

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/aug2011/liby-a22.shtml

"The imperialist-sponsored destruction of the Gaddafi regime sets the stage for an explosion of these underlying antagonisms, with horrific consequences for the people of Libya. There are ominous indications that a bloody settling of scores is in preparation in Tripoli.."


West Coast Greeny
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NDPP wrote:

NATO Backed Forces Move into Tripoli  -  by Patrick Martin

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/aug2011/liby-a22.shtml

"The imperialist-sponsored destruction of the Gaddafi regime sets the stage for an explosion of these underlying antagonisms, with horrific consequences for the people of Libya. There are ominous indications that a bloody settling of scores is in preparation in Tripoli.."

NTC leader calls for restraint and compassion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UntOmjIx9Zg&feature=player_embedded 

 

 


NDPP
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Ah yes, Jibril, another ex Gaddafi  turncoat and the pointman for economic 'liberalization and privatization' - the perfect puppet to lead the West's new  Libyan comprador regime. Unfortunately the rebels' atrocities against Blacks and Libyan army prisoners were videotaped by them as fond mementos and posted to youtube - they give us little hope for 'restraint and compassion' from this quarter. Our own General Bouchard hasn't shown any of that as NATO's mass murdering Canadian powder monkey either. Au contraire.


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West Coast Greeny wrote:

NDPP wrote:

NATO Backed Forces Move into Tripoli  -  by Patrick Martin

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/aug2011/liby-a22.shtml

"The imperialist-sponsored destruction of the Gaddafi regime sets the stage for an explosion of these underlying antagonisms, with horrific consequences for the people of Libya. There are ominous indications that a bloody settling of scores is in preparation in Tripoli.."

NTC leader calls for restraint and compassion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UntOmjIx9Zg&feature=player_embedded 

If we didn't have such wishy-washy moderation here, I'd complain about pro al-Qa'eda, pro NATO al-Jazeera newz reports nailed up on what used to be a progressive site.


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