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Spot on!!!...On all accounts...
Especially the correctly aimed shots at RussiaToday and globalresearch.com...
I do find it disconcerting that Col. Mo looks to be headed for Tunisia...They should send him to Scotland along with that other murderous rat who was freed a few years ago...
Still misquoting Mussolini and using the patented globalresearch.com phraseology,I see...
That's Globalresearch dot CA. It's CANADIAN, you eyedeeot. Go read some more imperialist POV in Jazeera or CNN why don't you.
Home grown Tin Foil Hatters...
I suppose that makes them rrreeeeaaaallllyyyy credible,huh?
More credible than a pro NATO newz rag based out of Qatar, an oppressive country run by a US-backed imperialist dictatorship, for sure. But don't let that stop you. You're on a roll with your feeble smears of a real left wing site run by a Canadian economics professor and essays from the likes of Chomsky, McQuaig and, Oh yeah, and here's one from June authored by Murray Dobbin who sometimes has front page articles on rabble.ca. <- .CA indicates CANADIAN domain as opposed to a commercial dot com site, Benny.
Carry on.
South Africa in Talks for Gaddafi Refuge
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/195131.html
"South Africa has started negotiations with Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi's camp to offer him a place of refuge.."
latest headlines:
"Rebels overrun Libyan capital, population rejoices; Babble site the last holdout"
THe BIg Gaddafi - by Pepe Escobar
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MH20Ak01.html
"...He had always known why they came to pee on his carpet. Because he didn't hand the Brits, the Frogs or the Yanks the oil concessions they wanted. So now those unspeakable Saudi bastards started propping up these fanatic al-Qaeda-related types - just like they did in Afghanistan in the 1980s.
Western 'banksters' invented an 'alternative' Central Bank - with HSBC's help to rob Libya's money. They also invented a new, to be fully privatized, national oil company, managed by Qatar, to rob Libya's oil...
Blowback will come - and it will be a bitch."
Damien McElroy reporting for The Telegraph (Aug 22) says "British and French intelligence officers were said to have played a key role in planning the final rebel assault on Tripoli."
Libya: BBC Reporter Ambushed by Gaddafi Forces (vid)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14613653
"heavy fighting has continued in the Libyan capital.."
close but no cigar
excellent; for once they are doing something entirely justifiable ...
'Libya Likely to Become Next Iraq' - Interview with Jeff Steinberg, Executive Intelligence Review (vid)
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/195137.html
"...it is not the result of the outcome of an internal civil-war; it's the result of a NATO-directed invasion and overthrow of a regime and installation of a government that may or may not have a real prospect of survival. What we don't know and what is going to play out in the months ahead is whether or not forces loyal to Gaddafi have decided to go into asymmetric resistance mode.."
'Libya Likely to Become Next Iraq' -- that sounds like the least qualified prediction in quite a while;
the Libyan people are thrilled at the outcome, may peace and prosperity reign ...
Phase I of the war looks nearly over.
Will their be a Phase II?
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/africa/despite-the-euphoria-the-reb...
On a serious note there are areas of Tripoli that are still under regime control and there still is fighting going on. Some of the hold out areas is ringed by tanks and other armor.
Some even speculate this could be a trap to draw the rebels in to the city were NATO can't bomb their positions as easily... but I kind 'a doubt it. It seems most people in Tripoli are happy he's gone. It's still too early to say this is the end but we are in the end phase.
The bottom line is unless Kaddafi's guys pull some amazing hat trick counter attack worthy of being required reading for future generations of up and coming officers he's pretty much fucked.
That's what people like Niccolo Machiavelli, Benito Mussolini, Hiro Hito, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot and yourself believe.
But that's not the actual state of things according to the universal legal and moral principles established at the Nuremberg Trials and by the Nuremberg Principles, The U.N Charter, the Geneva Conventions and all related international and national laws.
War and murder cannot be a universal moral principle because it would lead to a contradiction: If it was morally and legally acceptable/praiseworthy for everyone to commit murder and wage war, then everyone would be dead.
No only the weak and pooly armed would be dead...
CNN reported last night that NATO had conducted something like 17,600 bombing sorties against Libya and some partners were running out of ammo.
ETA: Link
[Updated at 6:03 a.m. ET, 12:03 p.m. in Libya] Since NATO began operations in Libya on March 31, it has conducted a total of 19,877 sorties, including 7,505 strike sorties. NATO is operating under a U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing the use of force to protect Libyan civilians.
Are you sure?
The Vietnamese and Afghans seem to be the rule to the exception.
Oh for goodness sake, a critique of the concept of crime or enclosed institutional normative ideas of cohesian does not entail an affinity with death and destruction. All those legal codes of yours are products of institutinal violence grounded in civilization, what part of this do you not understand.
Universal and moral principles do not exist.
When we stop playing with our plastic army men, watching Hollywood war porn movies, reading SGT. Rock comix and stop playing computer war games,
we realize that war and the weapons used to wage war are too advanced that if we don't at least attempt to put a lid on it, we are soon going to 'war' ourselves to extinction.
"Universal and moral principles do not exist" is the rallying cry of the arms industry and those who profit from it.
Gaddafi Forces in Tripoli Counter-Offensive
http://rt.com/news/rebels-gaddafi-capital-tripoli-975/
"There's a feeling the government is luring the rebels in alloweing them to have fun in Green Square and then very well counter-attacking ghem.', Dr Lamb told RT, adding that it looks like the end is near. The situation in Tripoli is chaotic, with few precise details emerging.."
The intentions and illegal, criminal actions of the western powers should be condemned, but this is mainly an war against a crazy dictator who ruled with iron fist for 40 years. Don't fall into the trap of glorifying a mad fascist like Ghadhafi for that purpose. There are evil on both sides.
Live from Tripoli: by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya (and vid)
Western Media Complicit in NATO's Humanitarian Bloodbath
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26121
Canadian journalist trapped in deserted hotel in Tripoli
As far as Iran is concerned, the above statement is the most ridiculous joke I have heard. Libya too put his oil in the hands ofmultinational companies a few years ago.
If they were around, you would have been banned for advocating support for war criminal serb nationalists and against the non-serb people of former Yugoslavia. But hey, who cares about the muslims and Croats, right? I bet you were having a nice drink and cheering when they were being raped and slaughtered by your favourite side. Disgusting racist.
The imperialist war-mongers cheering on this butchery are every bit as despicable as the people who condoned the invasion of Iraq.
Comment from Greenwald's blog --
Here's who NATO has recognized as the "government" of Libya:
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...The regime with which NATO intends to replace Gaddafi has the most right-wing, reactionary character. The TNC [my note: the rebel force] has drawn up a 14-page “constitutional declaration” in Benghazi, which was shown to AFP. It lays out the foundation for a right-wing Islamist government in Libya. It states, “Libya is a democratic and independent state. The people are the source of authority, Tripoli is the capital, Islam is the religion, and Islamic sharia [traditional law] is the principal source of legislation.”
[My note: This document also gives partial control over Libya to the UAE; we are watching the colonization of a country.]
The document was reportedly written by Islamic activist Mohammed Busidra, who granted an interview to Canada’s Globe and Mail daily on August 5. The paper reported that Busidra is “organizing Libya’s mosques into a political machine. This has made him, in the view of many people here, the figure who will wield the most political power, and likely control the country’s leadership, in the event of the dictator’s demise.”
Busidra presented his vision for an Islamic fundamentalist and pro-imperialist puppet state in Libya. He assured the Globe and Mail that he would “remain favorable toward the West and its governments and oil companies.” The inescapable conclusion is that Libya’s 42 billion barrels of oil will be de-nationalized and seized by Western oil firms.
Busidra also insisted that alcohol and homosexuality should become strictly illegal in Libya, as well as “the praise of any religion other than Islam.” [My note: I have no information on Ghaddafi's attitude toward the gay community. Alcohol has been illegal for decades, from what I can find.]
The Globe and Mail explained, “Mr. Busidra’s network is formidable: it includes the long-banned Muslim Brotherhood; the February 17 Martyrs’ Brigade, which is the largest fighting force among the rebel armies and is led by the influential cleric Ismail Al-Sallabi; the even more popular cleric, Mr. Sallabi’s Doha [Qatar]-based brother SheikhAli Sallabi; and a half-dozen other imams and leaders well known in Libya, including more moderate former members of the long-banned Libyan Islamic Fighting Group. Mr. Busidra’s circle is opposed to the extreme Islam of Al Qaeda and other radical groups.”
The distinction the Globe and Mail makes between members of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) and Al Qaeda is largely imaginary, however. The LIFG was founded by Libyan veterans of the 1980s Soviet-Afghan war, and thus shares historic ties with Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda grew out of the Maktab Al Khidamat, the group that oversaw international recruitment, funding, and re-supply of Muslim volunteers for this war....
http://tinyurl.com/4xsaqpx
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So we are giving the Libyans "democracy" by turning their country into a client state/colony run by an offshoot of al Qaeda. And along the way, de-nationalizing their bank and oil industry. We also are killing civilians by the dozens, targeting their television and other communication centers, water supply routes, hospitals and houses of worship, and dumping depleted uranium all over the country - not that the US media is covering any of this.
—teri49
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Again -- He assured the Globe and Mail that he would “remain favorable toward the West and its governments and oil companies.”
I think we can now put to rest the idea that Al-Qaeda is anything but a US-backed entity. Radical Islamist movements have almost invariably been funded, organized and armed by the US and Israel as a bulwark against secular nationalism. When such groups become legitimately independent, as in the case of Hezbollah, they are cut loose; otherwise they remain on the empire's payroll. There are more than 1 billion Muslims on the planet; only a tiny, tiny minority are actually interested in creating Islamist states; yet this minority is given extraordinary influence by the empire. Anything is better than socialist or just plain nationalist states. Great boogeyman to frighten God-fearing Murikans, too.
Another good comment, this from commondreams --
This was about eliminating yet another independent agent in OPEC (Saddam and Gaddafi down; Iran and Venezuela next), about revenge for Gaddafi getting rid of US and NATO presence, for his nationalization of oil and industry, for his refusal (until he was forced to cave in) to adopt the full neoliberal agenda for decades, for his earlier support of Palestine, for his recent leadership seeking to forge African unity in the face of AFRICOM and European countries determined to keep up the proxy wars of attrition and to control resouces. It's about the strategic value of Libya, with its borders on important Maghreb countries and on sub-Saharan countries like Niger with their abundant resources (including uranium, coltan,etc.).
It's about testing a new generation of weapons and fighter planes so India and other potential buyers can see them in action. It's about Canada (here I want to spit in rage) wanting to be like the Big Boys and become a major military force. (A Canadian general has proudly assumed the role of butcher-in-chief for the bombings of Libya, probably with D.U. - the gift that keeps on giving.)
It's about Al Qaeda fighters thirsty for the blood of their former oppressor Gaddafi and for other "infidels", now being accepted as freedom fighters (Afghanistan 1980 redux) and given free-fire support by NATO.
It's about the revenge sought by the tribe of King Ydris, whom Gaddafi deposed in 1969.
It's about privatizing the resources, the infrastructure, health care and education (all free and universal under Gaddafi).
Whatever legitimacy there may be among the rebels must be weighed against the motivation of NATO and of the Islamic extremists, and against the plan to defang OPEC and to stop genuine nationalist movements and any form of socialism-- from Yugoslavia's under Milosevic to Iraq's under Saddam to Libya's..
Anyone who cheers this so-called liberation now will have a rude awakening in the not so distant future.
So who's the next bowling pin in New World Order lanes?
Reply to Sanizadeh - No. 82.
I am a racist - the way most people are racists. I try to recognize my racism whenever it surfaces and correct my attitudes and my conduct.
In the case of Yugoslavia, however, I think my critique was mistakenly construed as racist.
I was horrified by the atrocities committed during the war of secession -which included Croatia, then Bosnia, then Kosovo- and I have always condemned the use of rape as a tactic of war. The killing of men and boys, whether they were combatants or not, was beyond the pale, and I will not accept the accusation that somehow I supported this and other war crimes just because I happen to believe that the west went to war against Milosevic because he would not turn what was left of Yugoslavia over to them but hung on, rather, to whatever principles of socialism he could.
The barbaric ethnic aspect of the conflict was a long-simmering internal problem. The west (NATO, the US) used it as a convenient rationale for their own economic agenda they sought to further in the region by further balkanizing Yugoslavia.
Consider:
1) Croatia seceded with the support and encouragement of Germany and other western powers. The Croats expelled over 100,000 Serbs from Croatia and then from Croatian-controlled areas of Bosnia. The Bosnian Serbs responded by activating their own militias and seeking to break away the region of Bosnia where they were in the majority or had political and military control, and join what was left of Yugoslavia - - dominated by Serbia at that point.
2) The ethnic atrocities were pretty much the age-old conflicts surfacing with a literal vengeance. The Serbs rightly saw the Croats as historical enemies for what they had done to them in WW II - probably as many Serbs as Jews and Roma were tortured and murdered by Croats. The Muslims in WW II ended up siding with the Croats - one could say for self-preservation, but they were historical enemies of the Serbs from the times of the Ottoman Empire, when Christians were forced to convert to Islam in territory conquered by the Turks. Kosovo is a remnant of that conflict - Serbia would not let it secede because it was emblematic of the Serbian victory over the Turks. The fact that the minority Serbs oppressed the majority Muslims in Kosovo is not to be condoned, but when western powers (Canada among them) blitzed civilian targets in Belgrade it was to aid the KLA, a nationalist muslim army made up largely of gangs of thugs. They now control Kosovo and Kosovo has become a living hell for the Christians who remained, and it has been a transshipment point for drugs and women forced into prostitution.
3) There were no major trials of Croatian war criminals after WW II mainly because most if not all the worst offenders were given refuge in western countries, including Canada, the U.S., Chile, Argentina and Bolivia. Many of the perpetrators were fascists but they were received as anti-communist heroes. Through the fifties and sixties they conspired to undermine Tito's Yugoslavia, going as far as to plot the bombing of civilian airlines, much as the Cuban exile extremists did with the Cubana flight off Barbados and the Canadian-based opponents of the Indian regime did with the Air India flight. Once Tito died they worked actively for the secession of Croatia. The first president of the new state was an out-and-out fascist sympathizer who tried to turn the memorial site of the Jasenovac concentration camp into a simple state park.
4) During the Bosnian conflict, internationalists trained in Afghanistan transferred to fight alongside the Muslim militias against not the Croats but the Serbs. There is a possibility that the horrendous attack on the centre of Sarajevo from the hills, which was officially attributed to the Serbs, was actually carried out by Muslim militias. That has not been disproven - just ignored.
I reject the stupid accusation that somehow I am an anti-Muslim racist because I am aware of the historical roots of the ethnic enmities, and aware also that NATO does not carry out "humanitarian interventions" to save or protect anyone. Libya is very reminiscent of Yugoslavia in that the war crimes committed by NATO are once again being swept under the carpet; that the leader --cornered through years of sanctions, hostility and threats from real internal enemies-- is demonized as the one dictator in the world who merits a full-blown attack; that the "liberation forces" include gangs of thugs, extremist fundamentalists trained as internationalists in Afghanistan against the USSR and then against the US, groups with long-standing historical grudges and a thirst for revenge, and nationals who resided for years abroad and came back as "democratic leaders" but with suspicious ties to US or other intelligence services.
If this rationale makes me a racist then congratulations for having added an original --if fanciful and irrational-- contribution to the English language.
good point;
surely one can say Western policy in Iraq was crazy, yet entirely correct in Libya. Straight lines bend stretching across the globe....
Sigh. No, the attack on Libya was not 'entirely correct' DaveW. Qaddafi was a dictator. He wasn't however a 'maddog' as he was suddenly described by the always war hungry mass media. He was in fact better, in most tangeable terms, than most of the US friendly dictatorships the war hungry media quietly ignores or even supports, push comes to shove. (ie: Bahrain, Algeria, Kuwait, Thailand, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Honduras, Dominican Rep, South Korea, China, Hungary, etc) The attack violated its own mandate when the first bomb fell on the first Libyan tank. Therefore it's reasonable to assume that the 'liberators' will extract a high price from the Libyan people. Higher probably than Qaddafi did. After what they/we have done in Iraq and Afghanistan that is unfortunately the most likley result. My Marxist half brothers are correct on this one point, the United States and its 'satraps' are the greatest threat to world peace and equality right now. The Russian empire fell, so too must the American one.
(I did support the NATO intervention in the former former 'republic' of Yugoslavia, and wish the UN had intervened sooner in Rwanda and Sudan -the UN not NATO. I make no apologies for that)