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Fuck 9/11! Get Over It Already!

WilderMore
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If you've got 6 minutes, and hate the endless rehash of 9/11, you need to watch this guy. Warning: some strong language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAMlF3KO1vs&feature=player_embedded

 


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Fidel
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Apparently he's off of the 10th anniversay 9/11 celebrations. I would be, too. Joe Biden and Obama have really propagandized the event in their squawking oratories threatening vengeance on would-be terrorists in other countries - other countries which the U.S. Military would like to be occupying. The phony war on terror will drag on for years to come unless more people start demanding real answers to 9/11, the mother of all terrorist attacks that launched this era of global liquid war and military aggression. Like the Gleiwitz incident necessitated a World Court to discover the truthful beginnings of a military attack on Poland and start of WW II, so does a new 9/11 investigation and trial need to happen outside the influence of U.S. Government.

All global wars without end can and should be extinguished by truth. Truth is the only way.

The glasnost is half full.


MegB
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The propagandizing of the 9/11 is irrelevant. The reality is not and its aftermath is not.  Yet another non-productive rant.


Fidel
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Threatening a continuation of random military aggressions ten years later is irrelevant? Was 9/11 an example of the CIA's blowback theory, or was it a contrived licence to launch new wars of aggression against randomly targeted nations which had nothing to do with 9/11?


Bec.De.Corbin
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Rebecca West wrote:

Yet another non-productive rant.

Really and I bet 99% of the people who watch that rant say "and fuck you too" at the end just becouse.Laughing


MegB
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It's all part of the US "let's take over the world" imperialist package.  This is what they do everywhere.  Do you think it is wrong, or trivial, to focus upon the people affected?  The destruction of their homes and society?  The deaths of their loved ones, as opposed to the larger political ramifications?

I truly believe the humanity within the stats is lost. What is left is largely self-serving drivel.


knownothing
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They have got to elect this guy...I don't care if he's a free market guy...it is still worth it

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8S3yws_88I


Hoodeet
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Yeah, wouldn't that be nice,  but with the cuts in military spending you'd get social conservatism (no to abortion, no to gay rights) and cuts in public programs. 

 


knownothing
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Hoodeet wrote:

Yeah, wouldn't that be nice,  but with the cuts in military spending you'd get social conservatism (no to abortion, no to gay rights) and cuts in public programs. 

 

You would still have to prove that his free market policies are worse than US militarism and Ron Paul says gays fall under protecting liberty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGaBAb_oS84

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws7Zp41fByE


Fidel
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Paul is saying the reason al-Qa'eda did 9/11 was to invite the U.S. Military "over there" to fight them on their turf where al-Qa'eda has done a good job of tying up the army. I thought the whole reason for 9/11 terrorism was to convince the U.S. Military to exit from Muslim countries? al-Qa'eda's jihad planning department obviously needs some new blood so to speak. Qa'eda's diabolical plot has obviously blown back into their faces along with blowing back on over a million Muslims murdered by foreign terrorists marauding into their countries. I'll bet top ranking Qaeda tell all lower ranking proles something like:

Yes, we were once with Uncle Sam, but then he went against us, like a father goes against the son.

It is us, al-Qa'eda who are the victims in all of this not you lowly ranking proles who we fight for and bring Uncle Sam's wrath upon you all as a result. And all those vicious rumors about al-CIA'da still a green light go are infidel lies not to be believed.  What's the Arabic word for blowback? Right wing extremists all think alike apparently.


knownothing
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I think his point is that they can kill more westerners if they are involved in wars in the Middle East rather than at home


voice of the damned
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knownothing wrote:

Hoodeet wrote:

Yeah, wouldn't that be nice,  but with the cuts in military spending you'd get social conservatism (no to abortion, no to gay rights) and cuts in public programs. 

 

You would still have to prove that his free market policies are worse than US militarism and Ron Paul says gays fall under protecting liberty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGaBAb_oS84

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws7Zp41fByE

 

Well, I think when it comes to same-sex marriage, Paul's view is that it should be left to the individual states(ie. Montana, New York etc). So presumbaly, he would defend the right of a given state to refuse reognition to SSM, along with the right of another state to grant recognition.

But it's a little confusing, because he also seems to think that governments in general should get out of recognizing marriages altogether. Which would mean that state governments should not recognize marriages. Though I guess he thinks that as president, he wouldn't have the right to impose that view on individual states.

I think where Ron Paul might really trip himself up is on certain environmental issues. According to Alexander Cockburn's coverage of the recent debate. Paul is in favour of the XL Pipeline, even though that would trash libertarian principles by expaning eminent domain.

 

Counterpunch


Fidel
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knownothing wrote:

I think his point is that they can kill more westerners if they are involved in wars in the Middle East rather than at home

 

Well they've achieved that goal. 150,000 U.S. troops still over there. And if the immoral warfiteering in Vietnam was a lesson learned, 150,000 is just enough to ensure that they never actually win a land war in Asia. Too many Asians apparently, but those U.S. Military contractors making plastic clap trap and body bags don't mind. Because they know and realize it's all about quarterly earnings projectinos and month to month balance sheet reporting. The SEC is very strict about these things since the decade of wide open fascism began. It's all about guaranteeing purchase orders for years and months into the future. Being waist deep in government POs is a solid business plan any dragon in the den could support and even lobby for.


knownothing
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I do not advocate free market policies...

But that does not change the reality that he is raising the debate and he needs more help from progressives because we can find real common ground

At least he tells you he wants private health care not like Harper who just lies and does the opposite


Bec.De.Corbin
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@Fidel post #9

No, Ron Paul was saying al-Qaeda did 9/11 to draw the U.S. Military "over there" to fight at the expense of the people in those countries and drain our treasure and blood. They did that because they are mad about our support for Israel, the treatment of the Palestinians and are upset about infidels being in Saudi Arabia; all of this foreign policy related. Sounds like he nailed it pretty good.


Fidel
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That's true. I see your point now. Nader, Kucinich and Paul have actually been on the same side in quite a few debates concerning the fascism. They need a united front on the centre-left same as we do. When that country changes its business plan, so will the rest of us. I hope they choose wisely in the end.


voice of the damned
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Rebecca West wrote:

The propagandizing of the 9/11 is irrelevant. The reality is not and its aftermath is not.  Yet another non-productive rant.

He does talk about the reality and its aftermath. Among other things, he mentions that money sucked from the economy by "the military industrial complex" could have been used to end world hunger or fund health care. He also severely criticizes the War On Terror for, among other things, its demonization of Muslims.

The anti-commemoration stuff which kicks off the video seems like an attempt at using shock tactics to draw in the audience.  


Fidel
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Ya I misread Rebecca's post. The aftermath of 9/11 is entirely relevant to today's wars of aggression. Obama and Biden said so themselves. 9/11 is their excuse for threatening other countries with military attacks and occupations 1930s style. Since Nuremberg it is supposed to be illegal to threaten other countries militarily. Yesterday they threatened the world at large right there on corporate TV broadcasts to the world. The invisible army of darkness could show up anywhere apparently and want dealing with by the U.S. Military and about 30 of its loyal and unquestioning allies.


knownothing
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Fidel wrote:

That's true. I see your point now. Nader, Kucinich and Paul have actually been on the same side in quite a few debates concerning the fascism. They need a united front on the centre-left same as we do. When that country changes its business plan, so will the rest of us. I hope they choose wisely in the end.

Although they share similar views on foreign policy and drugs they are totally opposite when it comes to their views of capitalism. But it is not like the Democratic party is socialist. Kucinich and Paul are only in their parties because of the profile it gives them. Sanders is independent.


jas
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Everything you ever wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theory in under 5 mins. (humour)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98


MegB
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Love it!


6079_Smith_W
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I found that video quite interesting, and it made me want to go and actually look up some of this stuff (wish it had footnotes, acutally).

As I said to some friends on facebook however (since it seems to have gone viral) the best thing about it is that unlike some flesh-and-blood 9-11 truthers, the video can be turned off if I don't feel like watching it.


Fidel
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jas wrote:

Everything you ever wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theory in under 5 mins. (humour)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

That was highlarryous. Thanks, jas.

 


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jas wrote:

Everything you ever wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theory in under 5 mins. (humour)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

Brilliant. Thanks, jas.


jas
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6079_Smith_W wrote:

I found that video quite interesting, and it made me want to go and actually look up some of this stuff (wish it had footnotes, acutally).

http://www.corbettreport.com/911-a-conspiracy-theory/

 


Fidel
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Mother, should I trust the government?


Buddy Kat
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That is one right on video...

So the masses don't believe the conspiracy theorists...they don't believe the truthers ..what now they don't believe the proofers...I hope that video goes viral...note the cbc logo in with the rest of the corrupt media outlets.


6079_Smith_W
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@ jas 

Thanks!

 


Northern Shoveler
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jas wrote:

Everything you ever wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theory in under 5 mins. (humour)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

Thx great piece.  


jas
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Buddy Kat wrote:

...I hope that video goes viral...note the cbc logo in with the rest of the corrupt media outlets.

I sent the link to Sunday Edition as a complaint, since they had "Jonathan Kay" on as a guest this Sunday. I found that highly offensive and insulting to what the day was supposed to be about.


Sky Captain
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knownothing wrote:

They have got to elect this guy...I don't care if he's a free market guy...it is still worth it

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8S3yws_88I

If he's another crackpot like the the guy who tried to run for governor of New York under 'The Rent Is Too Damn High Party' then he'll lose just like all other fringe candidates.

(EDIT) Oh, it's Ron Paul! Sorry about that!Foot in mouth


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