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Cancer therapy

Noah_Scape
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   Cancer


   There is a substance that:

   Does no harm, and of which the side effects are at worst "mild" [diarrhea lasting one day, which could actually be considered "cleansing"];

   Helps the body produce collagen, which is the primary way that the body deals with the first few cancerous cells by enveloping and then disposing of it;

   Increases interferon levels, as well as IgM and IgG antibody molecules and phagocytic ["cell eating"] lymphocytes;

   Prolongs the lives of patients in any and all stages of cancer by an average of about 30%, and for some by 60% and more;

   Helps patients with advanced cancers "feel better".

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      It does no harm, and of which the side effects are at worst "mild" [diarrhea lasting one day, which could actually be considered "cleansing"], and it does, at least, some good for almost all, if not all, cancer patients.

  Why not use it? We are ludicrous, methinks. Read on to confirm this opinion:

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   This substance has been used in cancer patients in studies of up to 10 years at prestigious hospitals in Scotland and the USA [Mayo clinic]. The results were as above in each study - "harmless, often helpfull, possibly curative".

   This substance is measureable in our white blood cells. The white blood cells of cancer patients show a clear reduction in this substance as compared to people without cancer - in other words, cancer patients have greatly reduced amounts of this substance.

  This substance is lower yet when chemotherapy is used.

   It is lower yet in cancer patients whose cancers have metastisised.

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    Logic demands that we understand the implications of these facts - the disease of cancer depletes this substance and by replacing it cancer patients not only feel better, but also survive longer [on average, but no single cancer patient can be gauranteed of it].

   Also, that the mechanisms by which cancers begin, and by which they are beaten, are both aided by this substance.

   We fall short of being able to say that cancers are sometimes "beaten" by taking this substance because cancer is such a complex and baffling disease, and so other factors could be the determining factor. Nonetheless, the significantly longer average survival times of patients who take this substance could be interpreted as having survived the cancer - the mainstream medicine definition for survival is "having lived 5 years after diagnosis", and the average time of survival of patients taking Vitamin C goes beyond that 5 year definition.

    Vitamin C.

   Linus Pauling wrote the truth in 1980, but Vitamin C is not used, possibly because it is inexpensive and does not require a team of doctors to administer. Even a course of IV Vitamin C can be done at home with one-time help from a nurse.

   Either that, or all these facts, determined over 10 years in several studies by renowned doctors and researchers, are wrong.

    Do you think the data is wrong?

   I found it in Dr. Linus Pauling's 1979 book "Cancer and Vitamin C", a book I found at our local library book sale, a book previously owned by a local resident who had famously lived with a cancer tumour for the past 27 years, and who died in a car crash [hit by a drunk]. I think he took Vit C - the book was well read.

   And now another resident here, a friend of mine, has lung cancer, but he gives Vitamin C no credibility because his doctor does not recommend it; my friend won't even bring it up with his doctor. Unless and until the professionals are on board, Vitamin C's benefits will not be believed by the public. And as such, it's wonderfull secrets are generally unknown.

   I suppose I will see replies here that will say it has all been disproven - show me the studies!!


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Sineed
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"High Doses of Vitamin C are Not Effective as a Cancer Treatment" by Stephen Barrett, MD.

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The Bottom Line

Linus Pauling's claim that high-dose vitamin C prolonged the life of cancer patients was based on improper statistical analysis of data from a case series. Subsequent clinical trials found no benefit from what he recommended. Case reports indicate that high-dose vitamin C can produce kidney damage. And laboratory studies have shown that vitamin C might even accelerate cancer growth. Thus, even if supplementary vitamin C is eventually be found to have some use in fighting cancer, that role is not likely to be extensive. Despite these hard facts, many people still claim that high doses of vitamin C are useful as a cancer treatment. Responsible health professionals should clarify this issue so that patients neither forfeit scientific care nor put themselves at risk by using a product that has no demonstrated merit.

References are available at the end of this article, available here:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/c.html

From the "Infernal Medicine" blog:

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Even though vitamin and mineral supplements are very popular and widely used they are not regulated as “drugs”.  In order to improve consumer’s access to supplements, DSHEA exempts manufacturers from having to prove their products are safe, and also allows them to make health benefit claims without any proof of effectiveness. Only prescription drug manufacturers have to prove the safety of their products [3].

In short, now we have a nearly 2 billion dollars worth and still expanding supplement market without adequate regulation and safety measures, and Vitamin C alone or included in multivitamins makes more than half of this huge market.

Basically, claims are made about the miraculous benefits of natural health products because the people who sell them are legally permitted to make these claims.

More scientific evidence around vitamin C:

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  • Vitamin C inactivates the chemotherapy agent proteasome inhibitor PS-341 in human cancer cells [14].
  • Long-term use of supplemental multivitamins, vitamin C, vitamin E, and folate does not reduce the risk of lung cancer [15].
  • The Physicians’ Health Study II was a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled factorial trial of vitamin E and vitamin C that began in 1997 and continued until its scheduled completion on August 31, 2007. E nrolled14 641 US male physicians  took individual supplements of 400 IU of vitamin E every other day and 500 mg of vitamin C daily. Neither vitamin E nor vitamin C supplementation reduced the risk of major cardiovascular events. These data provide no support for the use of these supplements for the prevention of cardiovascular disease in middle-aged and older men [16].
  • Vitamin C antagonizes the cytotoxic effects of antineoplastic (chemotherapeutic) drugs [17].
  • Supplementation with vitamin C had no effect on oxidative DNA damage in healthy people. Meaning there are no anti-oxidant benefits observed in the study [18].
  • And finally Women’s Antioxidant Cardiovascular Study, one of the most recent randomized controlled studies involving 7627 women concluded that  “Supplementation with vitamin C or vitamin E, or beta carotene offers no overall benefits in the primary prevention of total cancer incidence or mortality.” [19].

http://infernalmedicine.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/vitamin-c-miracle-or-hoax/

 

 

 


Aristotleded24
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How about broccoli?


Sineed
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My n = 1 study on the efficacy of broccolli in getting children to eat their vegetables is that it's tasty raw, and in a stir-fry with lots of garlic, but it turns into a mushy mess if overboiled. 

For realz: people taking warfarin have to be careful about increasing their uptake of green leafies because vitamin K counteracts the effectiveness of warfarin.


Noah_Scape
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There is one other thing about Vit C that has not been fleshed out... and it could relate to something about human mental processes.

Dr. Pauling explains that all animals except for humans produce their own vitamin C. The evolutionary reason for abandoning that process in favor of "getting our vitamin c from diet" is that THE ENERGY USED IN THE PROCESS OF PROVIDING OUR OWN VITAMIN C IS ENERGY THAT COULD BE USED FOR ANOTHER PROCESS. In light of the primary difference between other life and humans is human  consciousness, it is possible if not likely that the energy freed up [by abandoning the internal production of Vit C] allowed some higher mental function to operate.

Maybe those processes also use Vit. C [no clinical evidence of that, so far]

We don't know if that higher mental function is still evolving or not, or if there is actually some relationship between higher mental functions and Vit C., and therefore the demands for external Vit C could be growing every generation. Are humans, at least some of us, becoming more telepathic? [it seems I am more telepathic than my parents were] ; Or, is consciousness growing? [almost certainly!!].

Therefore, the need for Vit C. could be more, or less, than we get from diet. Also, the fact that foods have become so "de-vito", or devoid of nutrients and vitamins over the past 100 years is an indication of needing supplemental Vit C.

So, go ahead and like my Mom and every friend I have, just say "no, I will get my C from fruit", but the fact of rising cancer rates in the past 100 years speaks for itself - we may need supplemental C.

 

 

 


Timebandit
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Noah_Scape wrote:

There is one other thing about Vit C that has not been fleshed out... and it could relate to something about human mental processes.

Dr. Pauling explains that all animals except for humans produce their own vitamin C. The evolutionary reason for abandoning that process in favor of "getting our vitamin c from diet" is that THE ENERGY USED IN THE PROCESS OF PROVIDING OUR OWN VITAMIN C IS ENERGY THAT COULD BE USED FOR ANOTHER PROCESS. In light of the primary difference between other life and humans is human  consciousness, it is possible if not likely that the energy freed up [by abandoning the internal production of Vit C] allowed some higher mental function to operate. 

We are not the only species that dosn't synthesize vitamin C.  Guinea pigs and capybaras, for example, don't, and I hadn't noticed that they were functioning at an accelerated level of consciousness.

Noah_Scape wrote:
  Maybe those processes also use Vit. C [no clinical evidence of that, so far]

We don't know if that higher mental function is still evolving or not, or if there is actually some relationship between higher mental functions and Vit C., and therefore the demands for external Vit C could be growing every generation. Are humans, at least some of us, becoming more telepathic? [it seems I am more telepathic than my parents were] ; Or, is consciousness growing? [almost certainly!!].

Therefore, the need for Vit C. could be more, or less, than we get from diet. Also, the fact that foods have become so "de-vito", or devoid of nutrients and vitamins over the past 100 years is an indication of needing supplemental Vit C.

So, go ahead and like my Mom and every friend I have, just say "no, I will get my C from fruit", but the fact of rising cancer rates in the past 100 years speaks for itself - we may need supplemental C.

Where do you get this crazy-assed bunk, anyway?


Trevormkidd
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Timebandit wrote:
We are not the only species that dosn't synthesize vitamin C.  Guinea pigs and capybaras, for example, don't, and I hadn't noticed that they were functioning at an accelerated level of consciousness.

Ok...you might be right about the accelerated LOC...but I am sure that only the species which don't synthesize vitamin C get cancer...

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Where do you get this crazy-assed bunk, anyway?

I am going to go out on a limb and guess naturalnews....


Threads
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Dogs make their own vitamin C.  Dogs get cancer.


Trevormkidd
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They must not make enough vitamin C.


Timebandit
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Could be, could be...  My dog has a brain tumor, but I was blaming it on the wi fi...


Trevormkidd
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Dah!!  I have been out and I thought to myself that when I got home I should edit my last post to blame it on wifi, aspartame and dog vaccines!!  You beat me to it TB.


Timebandit
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;)


Tigana
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From USA, but relevant to Canadians too - http://youtu.be/AnN3Y8yvdkg   

"This documentary explains the Rockefeller influence on the health care industry, and particularly how safe alternatives have been silenced in favor of chemotherapy, radiation and surgery. Going back to the early twentieth century, this movie explains how it all got started, and why we are in our current health care predicament. It then provides cures for those suffering with cancer."

To learn more about The Cancer Report, visit 
http://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/521-video-the-cance... 


Sineed
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...aaand here's a link to the cancer page on Science Based Medicine, written by Dr. David Gorski, a surgical oncologist who specializes in breast cancer treatment.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/category/cancer-cures/

Dr. Gorski wrote:
Death rates from all cancer are a rather crude measure of how the war on cancer is going, anyway, being an aggregate number that is only likely to be affected very late as a result of improvements in cancer therapy. Our population is aging, which means that more people are living long enough to develop cancer, particularly given that we’ve made such dramatic progress in decreasing death rates from cardiovascular disease. People who live longer because they don’t die of cardiovascular disease have to die of something, and cancer, being number two (although not for long), is the next most likely cause.

The Science-Based Medicine blog is in general an excellent resource for people looking to separate the reality from the bullshit around medical controversies, fyi.

 


Doug
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But sharks never ever get cancer, so you should eat a lot of shark....oh, wait...http://www.sharksavers.org/en/education/shark-myths/423-myth-sharks-dont-get-cancer.html


Tigana
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Cancer cures have been suppresed for years - by scientists who are paid off by corporations. 

http://www.burzynskimovie.com/

http://youtu.be/H0ibsoqjPac

 

Read an excerpt from "The Truth About the Drug Companies" by Marcia Angell, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, here http://www.wanttoknow.info/truthaboutdrugcompanies

 


Fidel
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Sineed wrote:

Dr. Gorski wrote:
Death rates from all cancer are a rather crude measure of how the war on cancer is going, anyway, being an aggregate number that is only likely to be affected very late as a result of improvements in cancer therapy. Our population is aging, which means that more people are living long enough to develop cancer, particularly given that we’ve made such dramatic progress in decreasing death rates from cardiovascular disease. People who live longer because they don’t die of cardiovascular disease have to die of something, and cancer, being number two (although not for long), is the next most likely cause.

The Science-Based Medicine blog is in general an excellent resource for people looking to separate the reality from the bullshit around medical controversies, fyi.

 

Dr Devra Davis' research revealed that a higher percentage of people under 40 are being diagnosed with cancer than at any time before. Would Gorski also suggest that this is due to improvements in diagnosing what it is people are dying from in their old age?

Why are cancer rates in North America so much higher than for the rest of the world? I expect Gorski has an answer for that as well and likely blames North Americans themselves for having cancer. Apparently the war on cancer has been a phony war and all. There is money in cancer... and petrochemicals, industrial chemicals, pollution etc.

The problem with blaming people for their illnesses or their longevity is that other species of life are disappearing off the face of the earth all around us. Today one in four mammals is threatened with extinction. Living things are the earth's lungs and filters as well as the earth itself. Genocide of living things is forever,  as in permanent and irreversible. Genocide of life for the sake of propping up corporatocracy is like burning books. It's like burning a masterpiece of literature before anyone has had a chance to read it. 

Cancer Alley, Louisiana Apparently being poor, African-American, and living near petrochemical industries increases cancer risk

Que. study links breast cancer, air pollution

China's 'cancer villages' reveal dark side of economic boom

Fuck the corporatocracy. They don't give a damn about us anyway. C'mon, anyone feel free to yell it out loud ... FUCK THE CORPORATOCRACY! 


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