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Stephen Harper's Conservatives Are Negotiating A Perimeter Security Agreement with the US..

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Sean in Ottawa
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Trippie we can't even stop the winter skies from snowing so why should we bother eh?


trippie
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@Sean post 61

 

At what point did I say we should not try?????

 

Here is the point I'm making. Everything the left has done in Canada to gain power and bring about Socialism has failed. The working class of North America is divided by borders errected to build  the bourgeois state. These borders stand in the way of building the world you and I desire. The working class needs to be united.

 

If the bourgeois are working behind the scenes to unite their capitalims, we should take this opertunity to unite ourselfs as well. It's a waste of your time trying to stop what needs to take place anyways.

Their Capitalist system is in decline and they will do everything to preserve it. Instead of fighting it, we should be mobilizing ourselves and take advantage of it.

 

They will not stop, they can not stop as that is what the environment dictates to do.

 

 


Buddy Kat
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Well it all can be changed with the sinple formation of a national tv media...simple as that. If anything the typical  north american has shown us , is that tv manipulation is very real and a potent brainwashing tool. That only certain media giants and tycoons have the abilty to recognize it and exploit it is a detrement to the left.

As far as democratic infiltration etc…here is a good example of media power and democracy…The flag wrapping truly democratic foreign policy of the US regarding investment would require that you invest x amount of dollars in the state and hire x amount of people…when the NDP pulled of this same type of investment model, it was touted as communism and socialism by political and media both…so it doesn’t get any plainer than that.

 

Who ever controls the media, controls the simpleton voters and that my dear friend is the simple truth and is why only 14-20% of people can see thru it…

 

We can all scream political science bourgeoisie all we want. When it comes down to it the majority of Canadians are just brain washed simpletons that vote according too TV personality and framing.

 

If the 3 TV networks ganged upon Harper and his traitorous behaviour they could make mince meat out of the entire conservative party within a week....just like they made mince meat out of the seperatist coalition idea.  They even rewarded one of these media personality's with a senate appointment...talk about corrupt and rotten to the core...and getting away with it scott free yet is another testimony to the media gullibility of simpleton Canadians.

 

Then one wonders WHY not all socilist values haven't been implimented? It'sbecause they are real democratic values..ie NEW democratic values which are promotted as socialist values by media ....you can take your old manipilative so called american values and shove  them where the eagles dare fly.

 

Thanks to the internet real free speech is taking place ..revolts are organized ,governments are being toppled ,truth is being exposed and there is a phoney  neocon in fear of the future.....this but just a TASTE of true democratic lefty power. Wait till they are on even footing with the TV networks MUHAHHHHAHA

 

 

All this because they are on even footing on the internet...JUST WAIT!!!!

 

Edited to say…..The internet will facilitate this TV network power by the left for the first time in history…..this is the real reason for caps…pricing…controlling … regulating … interference by the crtc and government…total fear of truth being exposed.


alan smithee
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Buddy Kat wrote:

 

Edited to say…..The internet will facilitate this TV network power by the left for the first time in history…..this is the real reason for caps…pricing…controlling … regulating … interference by the crtc and government…total fear of truth being exposed.

 

You know,I never thought about that angle...It makes alot sense.

Why else would there be a CRTC (or in the rubber room to the South,the FCC)...Why would there be a concerted effort to cap internet usage?..Or regulate information while DE-regulating corporations,banks and Bay Street?....Etc...etc..

The truth is out,the lies are old


NDPP
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There is much to what you say about the 'media gullibility of brain-washed simpleton Canadians that vote according to TV personality and framing' Buddy Kat. I would only add Murray Dobbin's observation from his 'Harper Autocrat' piece on - "the cynicism of the political operatives who run the Liberals and the NDP..."

Here's Marc Garneau in the Ottawa Citizen today on the deal:

Let's Lose the Inferiority Complex

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/todays-paper/lose+inferiority+complex/...

"the repercussions of going ahead are profound because it may mean surrendering our sovereignty on several fronts. Notwithstanding claims to the contrary, this deal is setting up Canada to be told how it should conduct its security and proceed with respect to people and goods arriving at its borders. This is totally unacceptable because it will boil down to being forced to comply with measures that the United States feels are acceptable to ensure its own security and not the measures we feel are appropriate.

And yes, it is the beginning of a slippery slope that we can only speculate about because the government will continue to do its best to keep Canadians in the dark and controversies under the carpet. Underlying this is the incorrect perception by the current government that Canada's trade with the US will suffer if we don't go along with them. This is wrong and it's time for Canadians to realize that we hold just as many cards as our neighbour does. Canada should be dealing from a position of strength not one of perceived weakness.

As Canadians, we must not surrender our country's sovereignty...I believe most citizens agree with this. We have to make this crystal clear right now."


Lard Tunderin Jeezus
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"the beginning of a slippery slope"?

...more like a step off the precipice.


trippie
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The internet is a more productive way of communicating.

IT shows that when the borders are taken away and the working class communicate with itself better and counteract their lies.

 

This is a great example of what I have been saying on this thread.

 

Do not stop the integration of the working class in North America, encourage it, but drive it in a direction that benefits us.


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Tricky Politics For Canada As Junior Partner in International Tie-Ups  - by Jeffrey Simpson

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/jeffrey-simpson/tricky-poli...

"The negotiation of a continental perimeter border and security deal with the United States, the proposed merger of the Toronto and London stock exchanges, and the possible free trade and investment treaty with the European Union all dilute Canada's ability to act alone; that is, to exercise its sovereignty. In exchange, in theory, the Canadian economy will benefit. Those who fear change are those generally hostile to or uneasy with transnational capital, whose interests these initiatives are partly or wholly designed to enhance..."

rather more wholly than partly methinks..

US Control of Canadian Border Urged

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Canada/1228163.html

"Move would protect 'beacon of freedom' lawmaker tells hearing. Every inch of the Canadian-US border and the American boundary with Mexico should be under 'operational control' of American border officials, a US lawmaker told a congressional hearing into border security on Tuesday. 'The acceptable level for the American citizen is total control of our southern border, our northern border, our natural ports of entry,' said Republican Jeff Duncan, a South Carolina lawmaker and a member of the House of Representatives Subcommittee on Border and Maritime Security. Such control would allow America to protect 'this beacon of freedom', Duncan said."

http://jeffduncan.house.gov/contact-me/email-me

http://homeland.house.gov/subcommittee-1

Harper will give them this and more -  whatever they ask...

 


trippie
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They want to control everything because they are moving towards fascism. The working class can only stop it be confronting it head on. Not by avoiding it.


NDPP
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Respect And Work With US On The Global Stage, Cannon Tells U.S.  -  by Steven Edwards

http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Respect+work+with+global+stage+C...

"Canada should be sensitive to America's global concerns and be prepared to contribute credibly where we can, (while) America needs to respect Canada's ability to both contribute and...find space of our own on the world stage...

I don't feel at all guilty for not pushing human rights, we have been pushing human rights around the world,' Cannon said."

Lawrence Cannon channels Rodney Dangerfield at the CFR..


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Critics Call Secret US-Canada Talks 'End Run Around Democracy'

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=54655

"A judicial inquiry into the Arar case called for an independent oversight agency for Canadian national security operations. While the Harper government has refused to go along with this urging, a Canada-US perimetre [agreement] would make such a protection much less likely over the long run.

'With the full integration of most of these agencies into the American counterpart, there will be no practical way to render these agencies, integrated teams [of Americans and Canadians] accountable to any Canadian mechanism,' Roch Taisse, co-ordinator of the International Civil Liberties Monitoring Group told IPS."

clearly this latest, audacious continentalist power-play should be at the center of any election campaign


newshound
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Form the above article:

"Meanwhile, Michael Byers says the lack of transparency in the Canada-U.S. negotiations represents a deliberate strategy to undermine the ability of anti-free trade and critics of globalisation to marshal effective public campaigns against their latest effort."

You don't need to mount a campaign on this side of the border. It needs to be done on the US side.

 

From the same article:

"I understand that these are national decisions on both sides of the line. And we're each free to take the decisions we feel appropriate," said Hayden, CIA director from 2006 to 2009. 

"You just need to understand that if your decisions are markedly different than ours, it affects our view as to how thick the border should be," he said.

NH


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Public CONsultation To Begin on Proposed Canada-US Border Deal

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Public+consultations+begin+proposed+Ca...

"Trade Minister Peter Van Loan said Sunday that Canadians could provide feedback on the proposed partnership between Canada and the US  on the ministry's website between now and April 21. The results of the public consultation would then be published, he said.

http://www.borderactionplan-plandactionfrontalier.gc.ca/psec-scep/index....

 


alan smithee
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Trade Minister Peter Van Loan...How appropriate.

I also see the pattern of the Conservative buzzword..'Action Plan'

Anyway,if I were a betting man,I'd wager everything I own that the feedback they will publish will be exclusively that of what agrees with the Cons...They will make it appear as if it is the majority's will and that they have the majority's consent.

It's SOOOO predictable.


NDPP
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also predictable is that along with Libya and Afghanistan, this Perimeter Security agreement is NOT an election issue. Gee, funny how all the most important issues have disappeared. Not that Canucklheads would notice anyway..

North American Perimter Security and the Militarization of the Northern Border   -  by Dana Gabriel

http://www.countercurrents.org/gabriel270411.htm

"The move toward a North American security perimeter is nothing more than a pretext for US control over the continent.."


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Beware 'Deep Integration'   -  by Ralph Nader

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/980795--beware-d...

"The early tangle of 'deep integration' within the framework of a North American Security Perimeter Agreement being readied secretly without public participation for signing by Ottawa and Washington later this year is just the beginning..."


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Harper, Obama Discuss Border Issues At G8

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/05/26/g8-harper.html

"...Harper and Obama will reportedly discuss the next stage of the North American Perimeter Security Agreement. The prime minister's office says the meeting is likely to result in some forward movement on the agreement..."


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Border Security Input A Sham, Critics Say  -  by Mark Kennedy

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Border+security+input+shame+critics/48...

"The Harper government is pressing ahead with plans to develop a joint Canada-US border agreement on 'perimeter security' and is giving Canadians until the end of the week to offer their views on the matter. [url is upthread]

Critics are calling the public consultations a sham. However the country's big business sector represented by the Canadian Council of Chief Executives (CCCE) supports the inititiative and says 'bold action' is needed to ensure the border agreement comes to fruition."


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US-Canada Perimeter Security and An Integrated North American Command  - by Dana Gabriel

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25170

"...there is little doubt that deeper military integration between both countries will play an important part of any such deal.."

 


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'War Could Hit North American Soil This Century': Expert  - by Ian Macleod

http://www.canada.com/news/national/could+North+American+this+century+ex...

"A US more preoccupied with serious retaliation or even pre-emption by an enemy on the home front will demand far greater seriousness of performance from Canada in respect of investments in strategic capabilities. It will threaten to 'do the job' for Canada if such investments are not made.."

Public Calls For More Transparency in Continental Security Negotiations  - by Jim Bronskill

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/public-calls-for-mo...

"Dozens of people who took part in a federal consultation want more transparency in Canada's move toward a security deal with the United States, records obtained by The Canadian Press show. The Perimeter arrangement is aimed at expanding cooperation on continental security..."


janfromthebruce
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softing the resistence to merging our borders and security - fear card drum beat - don't buy that crap!


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Advancing U.S.-Canada Economic, Energy and Security Integration

by Dana Gabriel / August 30th, 2011

Much has been made about the secretive nature and lack of transparency surrounding efforts by the U.S. and Canada to create a North American security perimeter. With several high-level meetings in the last month, not to mention all the behind the scenes negotiations, it is expected that an action plan will be unveiled at some point in September. From a U.S. perspective, it is security which is driving the agenda, while on the Canadian side, facilitating trade and easing the flow of goods across the border is the focal point. Any deal reached will build off of past initiatives and be used to advance economic, energy and security integration between the two countries.

During a bilateral meeting in early August, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird discussed issues pertaining to the Middle East and the Western Hemisphere....

http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/08/advancing-u-s-canada-economic-energy-a...


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US-Canada Cross-Border Policing to be Tested

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Cross+border+policing+tested/5410532/st...

"By 'cross-designating' officers from both sides, Canadian and US law enforcement could move seamlessly across the land border...A Rideau Institute report, warned Canada is being asked in the border talks to compromise the civil rights of millions of Canadians without any guarantee the Americans will provide more open access for trade..."

Rideau Institute: Perimeter Security Deal Threatens Canadians' Privacy

http://www.rideauinstitute.ca/2011/09/14/perimter-security-deal/

 


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US-Canada Perimeter Security and the Consolidation of North America  -  by Dana Gabriel

http://beyourownleader.blogspot.com/2011/09/us-canada-perimeter-security...

"...a US-Canada perimeter-security agreement would represent another step in the consolidation of North America.."


epaulo13
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U.S.-Canada Perimeter Security and the Consolidation of North America

by Dana Gabriel / September 21st, 2011

The U.S. and Canada are very close to unveiling a North American perimeter security deal that would promote greater integration between both countries. This includes expanding collaboration in areas of law enforcement and intelligence sharing which could dramatically affect sovereignty and privacy rights. While there is a need for more public scrutiny, incrementalism has been used to advance North American integration. In many ways this has kept the agenda under the radar. Much like NAFTA and the Security and Prosperity Partnership, a U.S.-Canada perimeter security agreement would represent another step in the consolidation of North America....

http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/09/u-s-canada-perimeter-security-and-the-...


Buddy Kat
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Looks like the US wants to take peoples property rights away that live within 100 US miles of the border.....I wonder if our traitorous prime minister will agree to take Canadian rights away?... This will explain the foot dragging on Canadain property rights the westren conservatives have been mothin off about for the last decade.

"apply to all sections of the international land and maritime borders of the United States within 100 miles of the international land and maritime borders of the United States"

 

BillText

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eQgUpkJ1Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns8LD5Q8ecc

 


Northern Shoveler
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Buddy Kat wrote:

Looks like the US wants to take peoples property rights away that live within 100 US miles of the border.....

Quote:

Despite the vastness of the nation, 90 percent of the Canadian population is located within 160 kilometers (100 miles) of the U.S. border. 


Read more: Canada - Location and size, Population, Manufacturing, Banking and financial services, Retail http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/economies/Americas/Canada.html#ixzz1ZvU7jHRb


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Canada and the US Reach $1 Billion Perimeter Security Deal

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/canada-and-us-reach...

"...The so-called Beyond the Border action plan will include some three dozen items the government plans to pursue together. A number could be in place within months while others would take as long as four or five years. 'This will mean 'taking it to a deeper level than we've seen before in terms of sharing information  on common threats,' said one source..."

 


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Border Deal a Hard Barrier for Harper's Critics to Cross  -  by John Ibbotson

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/john-ibbotson/border-deal-a...

"The new Canada-US border agreement will be unveiled at the White House by Barack Obama and Stephen Harper in early December. When they read it, some people will go ballistic.

That's because the Beyond the Border action plan, according to those who have watched the negotiations closely, is expected to include a new entry-exit system that will track everyone coming into or leaving Canada by land, sea or air.

It will be part of the continental security perimeter that is one of the key elements of the accord..."

yet another weapons-system of the 1% to be used against the threat of the rest...


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Big Business Attends Perimeter Talks in Washington  - by Carl Meyer

http://www.embassymag.ca/page/view/bigbusiness-02-08-2012

"New information has emerged on the perimeter security plan between Canada and the United States, with hundreds of government and industry representatives meeting in Washington last week, and the Harper government signaling it will soon take a bill to entrench cross-border policing over water.

The border action plan announced in December indicates that by the end of last month, Canada and the United States would 'determine the way ahead' on how to share information and evidence between their police forces and intelligence agencies...a series of meetings have already taken place that tackle legal problems associated with harmonizing intelligence sharing.."

just another issue of critical importance slipping quietly by


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