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New Liberal Cabinet

ctrl190
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Duncan is the only confirmed minister thus far for Finance. Any predictions?


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Debater
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Yasir Naqvi - young, energetic rising star who just won large re-election victory in Ottawa Centre.

Also a racial minority who brings diversity to the Liberal caucus.

I think McGuinty may want to elevate him.


ctrl190
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It seems like too much of the brain trust and remaining cabinet ministers are from the GTA. Someone is bound to be disappointed. Eric Hoskins? Glen Murray?


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The Liberals have a serious credibility issue on who they can pick for cabinet that relates to rural Ontario.  Where for instance do you get a Minister of Agriculture that even has a clue about the issues.  Jeff Leal from Peterborough is about the only choice and it is a pretty poor one given he really doesn't have the background.  This is going to mean a lock out for the Liberals in the next election and if the NDP is paying attention and opportunity for them to grow their base and start a march towards potential government.


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ctrl190 wrote:

It seems like too much of the brain trust and remaining cabinet ministers are from the GTA. Someone is bound to be disappointed. Eric Hoskins? Glen Murray?

Why would McGuinty be looking to reduce the number of GTA ministers from before the election? If anything, he will end up appointing more ministers from the GTA since it now accounts for 60% of the Liberal caucus.

The more interesting question is whether he will reduce the size of Cabinet. Before the election there were 28 ministers. Assuming that McGuinty appoints the same number of ministers, more than half the caucus will be in Cabinet.


Wilf Day
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Now this is a serious problem for the Liberals. McGuinty has up to seven vacancies to fill. In parts of the province they have no choice:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/provincialelection/article/1066347--leaner-cabinet-in-store-for-mcguinty-s-major-minority?

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A short list of newcomers around the cabinet table is expected to include:

• MPP Jeff Leal (Peterborough), one of the few surviving Liberals with a partially rural constituency as the Liberals were decimated outside urban centres.

• MPP David Orazietti (Sault Ste. Marie), an up-and-comer from the north where the Liberals also suffered losses.

• MPP Liz Sandals (Guelph), a former president of the Ontario Public School Boards Association.

Sandals is overdue to be in cabinet. Leal, on the other hand, had not previously been considered a cabinet prospect, although he is Chief Government Whip.

The outgoing cabinet had 28 members, including McGuinty. Of these, 11 were from the GTA, 39%, about right. Three were from the Ottawa area, no problem. But four were from the Southwest's 11 ridings (London-Windsor), three from the North's 10 ridings, three from Central West's 9 ridings (Kitchener - Guelph - Perth- Huron-Bruce), two from Hamilton-Niagara's 10 ridings, and two from Central East (the seven ridings between the GTA and Ottawa). So is Dave Levac from Brantford (along with Liz Sandals) going to be in cabinet? Kim Craitor from Niagara Falls, along with Ted McMeekin from Hamilton? Jeff Leal along with John Gerretsen? Is Teresa Piruzza from Windsor in cabinet already? David Orazietti from the Sault or Bill Mauro from Thunder Bay?

In other words: is every single Liberal MPP outside the GTA, Ottawa region and the North going to be in cabinet?

An excellent reason why the Liberals should see that they need regional proportional representation as much as the NDP does.


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Not directly related, but Rick Bartolucci will turn 70 in this Legislative term. Unless he's going to pull a Kwinter (or a Diefenbaker, who died in harness), he's got to be thinking about retirement, or at least had it mentioned to him. Plus, the narrow margin of victory over the NDP suggests that he may retire in 2015 (if over 1,000 majority for Marchese is a call for him to retire, then barely 500 votes for Bartolucci is the voters practically booking the moving truck). Also, is Kwinter going to retire and force a byelection? Given the numbers in play, these small housekeeping matters assume a relevance they normally wouldn't.


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Canadians are, sadly, used to seeing exaggerated regional differences in our federal elections. On May 2 this year, 256,167 Conservative voters in Saskatchewan elected 13 MPs while 627,962 Conservative voters in Quebec elected only five MPs. Similarly, 129,310 Liberal voters in Alberta elected no one while 130,577 Liberal voters in Nova Scotia elected four MPs. Now Ontario’s recent provincial election has joined this parade of stronghold politics. In two-thirds of Ontario’s electoral districts, Liberal strongholds -- the GTA, Ottawa, Hamilton-Niagara and the North -- it took only 26,000 Liberal voters to elect an MPP. Elsewhere it took 53,156 to do so. In the rest of Ontario, 36 of the 107 districts, Progressive Conservative strongholds, it took 25,667 PC voters to elect an MPP while elsewhere it took 73,858 to do so. In the Liberal stronghold regions it took 44,818 NDP voters to elect an MPP, while in the PC stronghold regions it took 153,966 NDP voters to elect an MPP. In Ontario’s outgoing cabinet of 28 members, nine were from those 36 districts. In last week’s election only nine Liberal MPPs were elected from those districts. Will all nine be in cabinet, including rookie Teresa Piruzza?

Life, the unive...
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Wilf, I am not quite sure what you mean.  Are you grouping a bunch of ridings together and then comparing the relative votes of each party?  Just a bit confused.

 


Wilf Day
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In the 23 ridings west of the GTA and Hamilton-Niagara, 388,961 PC voters elected 14 MPPs (27,782 votes per MPP), while 325,177 Liberal voters elected 7 MPPs (46,454 votes per MPP), and 215,730 NDP voters elected 2 MPPs (107,865 votes per MPP) In the 13 ridings outside the GTA from Barrie to Cornwall and Pembroke, 268,649 PC voters elected 11 MPPs (24,423 votes per MPP), 167,148 Liberal voters elected 2 MPPs (83,572 votes per MPP), and 102,616 NDP voters elected no one By contrast, in the 45 GTA ridings, 778,448 Liberal voters elected 31 MPPs (25,111 votes per MPP), 372,390 NDP voters elected six MPPs (62,065 votes per MPP), and 551,041 PC voters elected eight MPPs (68,880 votes per MPP). In the eight Ottawa-area ridings (note this includes Glengarry--Prescott—Russell which is 46% in the Ottawa metro area), 156,620 Liberal voters elected 6 MPPs (26,103 votes per MPP), 143,847 PC voters elected two MPPs (71,924 votes per MPP), and 60,092 NDP voters elected no one. In the ten ridings of Northern Ontario, 87,121 Liberal voters elected 4 MPPs (21,780 votes per MPP), 110,099 NDP voters elected 5 MPPs (22,020 votes per MPP), and 67,469 PC voters elected only one MPP. In the eight ridings of Hamilton-Niagara, 119,277 NDP voters elected four MPPs (29,819 votes per MPP), 107,912 Liberal voters elected three MPPs (35,971 votes per MPP), while 107,992 PC voters elected only one MPP. In summary: In the 36 ridings in southern Ontario outside the GTA, Ottawa, and Hamilton-Niagara, 641,669 PC voters elected 25 MPPs (25,667 votes per MPP), 478,407 Liberal voters elected 9 MPPs (53,156 votes per MPP), and 307,932 NDP voters elected 2 MPPs. (153,966 votes per MPP.) In the other 71 ridings, 1,144,019 Liberal voters elected 44 MPPs (26,000 votes per MPP), while 886,290 PC voters elected 12 MPPs (73,858 votes per MPP) and 672,272 NDP votes elected 15 MPPs (44,818 votes per MPP).

Lord Palmerston
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edmundoconnor wrote:

Not directly related, but Rick Bartolucci will turn 70 in this Legislative term. Unless he's going to pull a Kwinter (or a Diefenbaker, who died in harness), he's got to be thinking about retirement, or at least had it mentioned to him. Plus, the narrow margin of victory over the NDP suggests that he may retire in 2015 (if over 1,000 majority for Marchese is a call for him to retire, then barely 500 votes for Bartolucci is the voters practically booking the moving truck). Also, is Kwinter going to retire and force a byelection? Given the numbers in play, these small housekeeping matters assume a relevance they normally wouldn't.

Yes, Bartolucci is low hanging fruit.  But Marchese did not get a "majority." It's too bad Paul Loewenberg didn't make it through - rather have him than Marchese.

I agree that we're likely to see Bernie Farber as the Liberal candidate when Kwinter steps down.  


edmundoconnor
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Sorry. I mis-typed. I meant 'votes' instead of 'majority'.


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Lord Palmerston wrote:

I agree that we're likely to see Bernie Farber as the Liberal candidate when Kwinter steps down.  

Given that it is York Centre (home of the CJC), I would be astonished to see anyone else other than Farber as the next Liberal candidate.


Debater
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Farber is a possibility to replace Kwinter when he retires, but I haven't heard anything definite.


Stockholm
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Hey Debator - you used to love to quote Chantal Hebert - let us know what you think of her column today!

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1068560--hebert-have...


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She might be right. The irony, of course, is that the way the NDP will succeed (and has improved up until now), is the extent to which it can mimic the Liberal party. i.e. be a centrist party making incremental policy change (without the arrogance). 


Wilf Day
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This is a new cabinet? No new ministers???

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/adam-radwanski/face-of-mcguintys-cabinet-unchanged/article2207288/

It looks like an interim cabinet.

I wonder what's up.


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Olly wrote:

She might be right. The irony, of course, is that the way the NDP will succeed (and has improved up until now), is the extent to which it can mimic the Liberal party. i.e. be a centrist party making incremental policy change (without the arrogance). 

One of the many key differences between the NDP and the Liberals is that the NDP is all about populism while the Liberals always reek of arrogance and elitism and an attitude of entitlement.


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Wilf Day wrote:

This is a new cabinet? No new ministers???

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/adam-radwanski/face-of-mcguintys-cabinet-unchanged/article2207288/

It looks like an interim cabinet.

I wonder what's up.

 

A pretty light bench?


ctrl190
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I was expecting a spot at the table for Liz Sandals and a more senior level ministry for Glen Murray.

Aboriginal Affairs combined with Ministry of Housing and Municipalities?


Stockholm
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Murray is too much of a loose cannon to be given any manjor responsibility.


toaster
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Surprised not to see Mauro or Orazietti on the bench.

Also, Bartolucci at Northern Development and Mine scares me as he is more of a Sudbury man than a Northern man.  The Ring Of Fire Chromite processing should not be done in Sudbury as it is much further away than Thunder Bay or Timmins.  Hope this doesn't have any impact on that


janfromthebruce
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well maybe McGuinty bypassed Liz Sandals because Liz doesn't represent "new direction" and "energy".


Howard
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janfromthebruce wrote:

well maybe McGuinty bypassed Liz Sandals because Liz doesn't represent "new direction" and "energy".

The people of Guelph should take note. This is a put down.

Also, Yasir Naqvi...what a tool! He's what Ryan Cleary would call a "pancake politician."


Wilf Day
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As I said, this looks like an interim cabinet.

In the 35 southern Ontario ridings outside the GTA, Ottawa and Hamilton-Niagara, which provided nine ministers in the last cabinet, we find John Gerretsen, Dwight Duncan, Chris Bentley, Deb Matthews and John Milloy. No replacements for Sandra Pupatello, Leona Dombrowsky, Carol Mitchell, and John Wilkinson. Nor for two other positions.

Who are these six cabinet seats being held open for? A light in the window for possible floor-crossers? Or is something else in the works?

Those 35 ridings had 22 Liberal MPPs in the last House. Now they have only nine. John Gerretsen, new Attorney-General, has ample evidence of the need for proportional representation.


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Liz Sandals was a PC who jumped ship during the Harris years and ran against her former friend Brenda Elliott (Minister of Environment and Intergovernmental Affairs in Harris cabinets) as a Liberal. I think that her politics are still suspect in the minds of the people around the Premier. Donna Cansfield was another PC convert who also had a board of education background (former chair of Toronto District School Board). She made it into cabinet but was never granted any significant autonomy from the Premier`s office and Finance and was dumped when she started thinking out loud about some of the absurd stuff she was being forced to justify as Minister of Natural Resources. Sandals would be even less likely than Cansfield to shut up and do whatever Dwight Duncan (sorry, I mean Dalton McGuinty) tells her to do. Having said that, I agree that it seems unlikely that this is the last word on appointments.

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First Nations and Aboriginal groups express frustration over cabinet:

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At the conclusion of the recent provincial election, Regional Chief Toulouse sent correspondence to Premier McGuinty expressing the need and expectation for the appointment of a full time Minister of Aboriginal Affairs in view of the many priority issues and challenges facing Ontario and First Nations relations. “The Minister of Aboriginal Affairs has to be an advocate in Cabinet for First Nations rights and interests and that’s a full time job. Furthermore, we couldn’t be any clearer about our expectations and this dismissive response is equally clear” stated Regional Chief Toulouse.

Regional Chief Toulouse noted the appointment of Minister Wynne to lead both the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs and the Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing and stated his expectation that this cannot be an indication from the Ontario government that First Nations governments are seen as anything other than governments deriving their power and jurisdiction from their peoples. “First Nations will not tolerate being treated as municipalities under the jurisdiction of the provincial government.”

http://netnewsledger.com/2011/10/21/first-nations-and-aboriginal-groups-express-frustration-over-cabinet/

 


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Debater wrote:

Farber is a possibility to replace Kwinter when he retires, but I haven't heard anything definite.

I heard the same though other rumours are that Farber may get some sort of strategic appointment and Helen Burstyn would run in Kwinter's riding

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