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StuartACParker
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So, the argument is that Mulcair is paranoid, abrasive and angry. Clearly these are traits that couldn't possibly get you into the PMO. :| It's not like the only two Tory candidates to win comfortable majorities of English Canada since WWII exemplified those characteristics or anything.

The NDP is already a leader-centred, top-down party that blacklists and exlcudes dissidents. The only difference I can see between a Mulcair leadership and Topp's is that Mulcair wouldn't be cuddly about it and would actually bring some honesty and emotional authenticity to the party's already-existing muscular, autocratic, authoritarian structures.

Maybe it's just personal bias but it was Topp not Mulcair who showed up on babble to defend the party's right to blacklist any member from seeking a party nomination indefinitely without explanation, appeal or accountability. The fact that he does this kind of thing with a soft voice doesn't make a whit of difference to me.

In other news, any word on Pat Martin's pro-merger candidacy?


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Boom Boom wrote:

AnonymousMouse wrote:

Has anyone ever heard Mulcair referred to as "The Grizzly"? Very strange.

It sounds like a slur to me, but maybe I'm over-reacting. I think of all the candidates, Mulcair is the one I associate with 'bonhomie', although I suspect Brian Topp has a friendly and good-natured character as well; I just don't know him as well as I know Mulcair through the media.

I would take "Grizzly" to be a rather positive portrayal. Smile But I could also imagine adopting "bonhomme" as a campaign mascot if they didn't think they would get grilled by the Saint Jean Baptiste society (or whoever has rights to it?)

 


Boom Boom
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oops - I forgot about the Bonhomie winter carnival mascot! Embarassed


dacckon
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Topp has now received nods from B.C. MPs and legislative members including Newton-North Delta MP Jinny Sims, Surrey-North MP Jasbir Sandhu, Surrey-Timbers MLA Sue Hammell, Surrey-Newton MLA Harry Bains, Surrey-Whalley MLA Bruce Ralston and Surrey-Fleetwood MLA Jagrup Brar.

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New Democrat finance critic Peggy Nash, a former party president and Toronto MP, says she will make an announcement about whether she will enter the race in the next couple of weeks.

Nash told QMI Agency Sunday she is in the midst of putting together a team and speaking to supporters.


theleftyinvestor
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Wilf Day wrote:

By the way, google translates "il a vraiment pété une fuse" as "he really farted a fuse." I love the phrase, but is it the correct translation?

Heh, you gotta love polysemy. Péter (to fart) also has examples on Wiktionary such as Le ballon a pété or Je me suis pété la jambe au ski. You're not literally saying that you farted your leg while skiing, but rather substituting a word that already means "to break (wind)" for a more neutral verb to make it more colourful.

Sort of like how the verb foutre (technically can be translated "to f**k") can also be used to make more vulgar a sentence that would otherwise have faire, placer or mettre. So Qu'est-ce que tu fous à New York is more like a mild "WTF are you doing in New York"?


Boom Boom
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I just watched QP on CTV. Topp firmly rejected the idea of a merger, but said he could be open to the notion of either coalitions or accords, because political parties are expected to work together. Mulcair firmly rejected the idea of a merger with the liberals as well. I think both Mulcair and Topp did very well in their respective interviews. It's getting increasingly difficult for me to pick one of the two if it came down to that, because both candidates are excellent.

ETA: QP said Nathan Cullen will announce a significant 'policy platform' this Tuesday coming. Should be interesting - the first policy discussion so far!


Centrist
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dacckon wrote:
Topp has now received nods from B.C. MPs and legislative members including Newton-North Delta MP Jinny Sims, Surrey-North MP Jasbir Sandhu, Surrey-Timbers MLA Sue Hammell, Surrey-Newton MLA Harry Bains, Surrey-Whalley MLA Bruce Ralston and Surrey-Fleetwood MLA Jagrup Brar.

Interesting. The same people who supported Adrian Dix in the BC provincial leadership race (aside from Brar who endorsed Farnworth). Cumulatively, they have major clout with the large Surrey Indo-Canadian membership.

I'm still dumbfounded that no one of any significance from BC has endorsed Mulcair (aside from Michael Byers). 

 


JeffWells
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Stockholm wrote:

BTW: Does the Socialist Caucus still exist? I thought for sure they would run a candidate for the leadership like they did with Bev Meslo in 2002. If they do still exist will they bother endorsing anyone? So far the MPs who are most associated with being on the left of the party seem to be all over the map. Libby Davies and Alexandre Boulerice are for Topp. But then again Mathieu Ravignat and Philip Toone are for Mulcair...

 

In case you really want to know:

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NDP Socialist Caucus to Decide on Candidate for NDP Federal Leader

The NDP Socialist Caucus will host a conference on November 26, to be held in Toronto, to decide its position on the federal NDP leadership race.

The SC is concerned that some putative candidates for leader advocate a merger of the NDP with the big business-backed Liberal Party, and seek to steer the NDP on a policy course further to the right.

http://www.ndpsocialists.ca/Events.html



Gaian
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theleftyinvestor wrote:

Wilf Day wrote:

By the way, google translates "il a vraiment pété une fuse" as "he really farted a fuse." I love the phrase, but is it the correct translation?

Heh, you gotta love polysemy. Péter (to fart) also has examples on Wiktionary such as Le ballon a pété or Je me suis pété la jambe au ski. You're not literally saying that you farted your leg while skiing, but rather substituting a word that already means "to break (wind)" for a more neutral verb to make it more colourful.

Sort of like how the verb foutre (technically can be translated "to f**k") can also be used to make more vulgar a sentence that would otherwise have faire, placer or mettre. So Qu'est-ce que tu fous à New York is more like a mild "WTF are you doing in New York"?

This is all one up on Bernard StLaurent's use of idioms on CBC radio (hope that's approximately right). More please.

TheArchitect
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dacckon wrote:

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Topp has now received nods from B.C. MPs and legislative members including Newton-North Delta MP Jinny Sims, Surrey-North MP Jasbir Sandhu, Surrey-Timbers MLA Sue Hammell, Surrey-Newton MLA Harry Bains, Surrey-Whalley MLA Bruce Ralston and Surrey-Fleetwood MLA Jagrup Brar.

Every person on that list is a person who I had suspected was likely to support Julian were he to have run.


Malcolm
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Boom Boom wrote:

Stockholm wrote:

I predict that at some point the three or four pepple who make up that "faction" will hold a news conference to announce with great fanfare that they are endorsing Brian Topp for leader. Then if and when Topp wins the leadership, Barry Weisleder will claim that the only reason he won was the "critically important" (not) last-minute endorsement by the Socialist Caucus!

Why is this reactionary socialist-bashing permitted here??? Undecided

 

You may not be familiar with the party's dynamics, Boom Boom, but bashing the Socialist Caucus hardly amounts to bashing socialism.  The SC is practically a one-man show and a very marginal presence in the party - howevermuch the one man in question makes himself out to be an insider.  Certainly no serious party leftist I know - including many of those still most insistent on the label "socialist" vice "social democrat" - is connected to the SC or takes it very seriously.

As a matter of fact, the only people I know who take the SC seriously are the small number of people who belong to it.

The amazing thing is that such a small group can be so factional in its own functioning.


Malcolm
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JeffWells wrote:

 

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NDP Socialist Caucus to Decide on Candidate for NDP Federal Leader

The NDP Socialist Caucus will host a conference on November 26, to be held in Toronto, to decide its position on the federal NDP leadership race.

The SC is concerned that some putative candidates for leader advocate a merger of the NDP with the big business-backed Liberal Party, and seek to steer the NDP on a policy course further to the right.

http://www.ndpsocialists.ca/Events.html

 

I wonder where they'll be meeting.  Since the advent of the cel phone, phone booths have become a thing of the past.


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