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The Afghan People Will Win Part 25

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Afghanistan Officials 'Systematically Tortured' Detainees Says UN Report

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/10/afghanistan-torture?newsfeed...

"Interviews with 379 people held by police and intelligence services describe beatings, removing toenails and electric shocks. Detainees told UN investigators that tortures included being hung by wrists to walls and ceilings, beatings, usually with rubber hoses and electric cables, twisting and wrenching of genitals, removal of toenails, threats of sexual abuse and electric shocks. It said blindfolding and hooding of detainees was common as well as the denial of medical care.

Some of the worst and most common allegations of torture were at the national directorate of Security's Kabul facility, known as department 90. 'THere is so much beating at 90 that people call it 'hell', one interviewee told the UN.

Five out of six teenage boys held in department 90 and interviewed by the UN said there were abused. At an NDP facility in Kandahar, one detainee reported he was threatened with having a wooden stick with chili powder stuck up his rectum..."

Setting The Record Straight on the War in Afghanistan - by Lawrence Martin

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/setting-the-record-...

"...When it was clear the war rationale of fighting terrorism wasn't working, we find out how the Conservatives decided to try to sell the war on the basis of it being a humanitarian mission.

The fighting for Canadians is over now. Only peacekeepers and trainers remain. What also remains is a lot of spin to the effect that our mission succeeded. In 'The Savage War' there's a far different story."


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NDPP wrote:

Afghanistan Officials 'Systematically Tortured' Detainees Says UN Report

Here's a link to the UN Report (84pp., .pdf file)

And the war criminals in Ottawa are still trying to pretend that none of the detainees handed over to Afghan authorities were tortured. We'll never get the incriminating documents released because the opposition capitulated to the Conservatives even after the latter had been found in contempt of Parliament.

But Amnesty International is trying to keep the issue alive, even if the politicians want to bury it:

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Amnesty International is demanding that Canada check on the welfare of the prisoners it handed over to Afghan authorities, even though the Canadian combat mission in Afghanistan has ended.

The demand comes in the wake of a blistering United Nations report that documents the torture of suspected Taliban fighters in Afghan jails.

An Amnesty letter to Defence Minister Peter MacKay, obtained by The Canadian Press, warned that Ottawa's obligations under international law have not ceased just because troops are no longer capturing insurgents in the field....

[Canadian] operations went on right up until the changeover and Canadian soldiers continued to turn prisoners over to local authorities, including the notorious National Directorate of Security, the Afghan intelligence agency named in the UN report.

"Given the widespread nature of these reports, it is likely that some of the prisoners alleging abuse were transferred by the Canadian Forces," wrote Paul Champ, the lawyer for the human rights group.

"Canada must immediately take action to confirm the physical condition of every individual transferred by the Canadian Forces to Afghan authorities."...

"Canada must ensure that independent and competent investigations of these allegations are carried out, with charges and prosecution where appropriate. Unfortunately, there is no evidence that Afghanistan has properly investigated past allegations of abuse."

A complaint from Amnesty and the B.C. Civil Liberties Association started a public inquiry by the Military Police Complaints Commission into the transfer of suspected insurgents by Canadian soldiers. The watchdog agency has yet to finalize its report into the question of whether military police knew, or should have known, about alleged torture.

Handing over prisoners to torture is a violation of international law.

The UN report, released Monday, painted a stark, alarming picture of systemic torture within the Afghan justice system. It fingered the country's brutal and corrupt police force as well as the intelligence service.

The report found evidence of a compelling pattern and practice of torture and ill-treatment among those detained by the intelligence service....

Throughout the public hearings by the complaints commission, Canadian officials insisted there was no solid evidence of abuse.


Fidel
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But your all-powerful Bay St Government closed down Parliament because they were cowering from the NDP's calls for transparency and accountability on torture and kissing Uncle Sam's fat ass in general.

They sure as hell didn't close down Parliament twice and on the lam from the very compliant with torture Liebranos Party of Bananada, that's for sure.


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Fidel wrote:

But your all-powerful Bay St Government closed down Parliament because they were cowering from the NDP's calls for transparency and accountability on torture and kissing Uncle Sam's fat ass in general.

Too bad that after Parliament reopened again and the Speaker declared the government to be in contempt of Parliament if they didn't hand over the torture files the NDP joined with the Liberals and Bloc in accepting a phony "compromise" (the so-called "panel of experts", remember?) that ended up killing the issue and suppressing the facts. And all because the three opizishin parties were cowering at the prospect of an election!


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Afghanistan: Ten Years of Illegal Occupation (and vid)

http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2011/10/afghanistan-ten-years-illegal-occupa...

October 7 marked the ten year anniversary of the commencement of NATO operations in Afghanistan. Although the impending illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003 was enough to drive millions of people worldwide into the streets in protest, there has never been the same widespread resistance to the Afghan war.

In allowing this invasion to go forward and mounting no significant opposition or resistance to the operation itself, the public has effectively allowed the war criminals to set a series of disturbing precedents, which future political leaders have used and will continue to use, to wage their own wars of conquest.."

like Libya - unprotested and unopposed here.


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For a rare moment I was proud of Canada when on the UN Afghanistan Mission (war) webpage I saw all the little flags of the participating countries and there was Canada with Holland as the only two who've retired.  I know we've still got advisors there but that was there for the Terry Glavins and the many humanitarian warriers who didn't want the 'mission' to end until all the girls were in schools and without veils.  I'm sick of hearing this called 'Harper's War'  It was Chrétien and Martin's war and after two House of Commons extensions, we're out.  As Harper said in New York, You can't impose a government in Afgha nistan.  I'm proud.


M. Spector
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And I'm sure Herr Harper is proud of you in return.


Rikardo
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So Harper is Hitler.  With opponents like you no wonder the Conservatives increased their share of the vote in May


M. Spector
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I'm flattered that you think Canadians went to the polls to vote for your friend Harper just to spite me personally.


Rikardo
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Harper is not my 'friend' and you are not responsible for his re-election. But the Liberals got us into Afghanistan and now most of  our forces are leaving (like Holland).   I'll give you the last word.  I've got better things to do.


M. Spector
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Gotta get out there and find another country to invade with our new attack jets, new frigates, and newly-refurbished LAV-IIIs. Oh wait - I forgot. The Conservatives are the peace party and the Liberals are the war party. Silly me.

Speaking of silly, how am I not responsible for Harper's re-election given that with opponents like me it's no wonder the Conservatives increased their share of the vote in May? 


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Rikardo wrote:

So Harper is Hitler.  With opponents like you and your kind no wonder the Conservatives increased their share of the vote in May

There, I fixed it for you...Wink


M. Spector
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That doesn't solve Rikky Rikardo's logical contradiction.

If I'm "not responsible" for Harper's re-election, as he maintains, then neither are "my kind". And yet it is proposed that Harper's increased share of the vote is a result of his having opponents like "me and my kind". 

Surely if we were the cause, then we were responsible for the result.


Bec.De.Corbin
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Sounds good to me. Harper won becouse more people voted for him (than your guy).

 

Why was that?


Gaian
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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Sounds good to me. Harper won becouse more people voted for him (than your guy).

 

Why was that?

You should not pose that question hereabouts, BDC. It will only lead to the denunciation of social democrats. You must be very specific, ie. what would it take to have mainstreet come to some understanding of the realities of their world ? Stick to the institutions that we have to live with, have grown up with, have watched grow and corrupt over time. :)

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Rikardo wrote:

For a rare moment I was proud of Canada when on the UN Afghanistan Mission (war) webpage I saw all the little flags of the participating countries and there was Canada with Holland as the only two who've retired.  I know we've still got advisors there but that was there for the Terry Glavins and the many humanitarian warriers who didn't want the 'mission' to end until all the girls were in schools and without veils.  I'm sick of hearing this called 'Harper's War'  It was Chrétien and Martin's war and after two House of Commons extensions, we're out.  As Harper said in New York, You can't impose a government in Afgha nistan.  I'm proud.

Graeme Smith of the Globe exposed Harper and crew for the lying bastards they are when he pointed to the torture of detainees handed over by Canadian troops. That practice by the Afghan military police has now been confirmed. You are a little bit proudD of the fine example set by Canadians over there? Or do you not read anything beyond the Conservative propaganda machine's output?

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Gaian wrote:
Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Sounds good to me. Harper won becouse more people voted for him (than your guy).

 

Why was that?

You should not pose that question hereabouts, BDC. It will only lead to the denunciation of social democrats. You must be very specific, ie. what would it take to have mainstreet come to some understanding of the realities of their world ? Stick to the institutions that we have to live with, have grown up with, have watched grow and corrupt over time. :)

Sorry I'm in the USA... I know pretty much nothing about Canadian politics.


M. Spector
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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Sounds good to me. Harper won becouse more people voted for him (than your guy).

Why was that?

Rikardo's theory is that his favourite party not only "won" but "increased their share of the vote", and there was "no wonder" that this happened "with opponents like you [i.e. me]" - and, if we accept your amendment, "opponents like me and my kind".

It seems obvious to me he's saying the new voter support for the incumbent party was the result of my using the German word for "Mr." before the revered leader's surname. But when challenged on this, he backed off and said I wasn't responsible for it after all. Then he ran away before I could get him to present a different theory for Harper's increased success - one that didn't involve making me (and my kind) "responsible" for it. So I guess we'll never know why Harper's vote increased in May, 2011!


Bec.De.Corbin
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Ok I get that, so were you trying to insinuate Harper was like Hitler?

 

By the way I wasn't "arguing" anything here; I just corrected the vocabulary of his sentence.


Gaian
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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

 

Ok I get that, so were you trying to insinuate Harper was like Hitler?

 

By the way I wasn't "arguing" anything here; I just corrected the vocabulary of his sentence.

No apology or explanation needed for me, BDC. Anyone with your progressive views that can live in Texas is one I salute. An old (or young) Johnsonian Democrat. Damn, those were the days.

M. Spector
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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Ok I get that, so were you trying to insinuate Harper was like Hitler?

No, I was insinuating he was "ein berliner".

berliner


Fidel
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Gaian wrote:
Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

 

Ok I get that, so were you trying to insinuate Harper was like Hitler?

 

By the way I wasn't "arguing" anything here; I just corrected the vocabulary of his sentence.

No apology or explanation needed for me, BDC. Anyone with your progressive views that can live in Texas is one I salute. An old (or young) Johnsonian Democrat. Damn, those were the days.

Yes the big blew machine, and for all their big money backers on Bay Street and with largest war chest going into the snap election for short-term political gain, increased their share of the eligible vote all the way from 22% to 24%. Worst Past the Post is electoral fraud.

Democracy should more appropriately be referred to as corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. - herr Harper


Bec.De.Corbin
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M. Spector wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Ok I get that, so were you trying to insinuate Harper was like Hitler?

No, I was insinuating he was "ein berliner".

berliner

 

I see.. According to this though you are incorrect:

JFK: 'I Am a Jelly Donut' ('Ich bin ein Berliner')

 

He did not say he was a jelly donut.


M. Spector
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Your link sez:

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It is true that the German word Berliner can denote either a person who is a citizen of Berlin, or a particular kind of jelly-filled pastry.

The picture I posted is of the latter pastry.

Neither Hitler nor Harper is/was a "citizen of Berlin". (Nor was JFK, for that matter.)


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Af-Pak Designed to Implode Pakistan  -  by Zaid Hamid

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=122497

"...After bringing death and destruction to Afghanistan and Iraq, violent regime-change and dismemberment plans are being deployed in Sudan, Egypt, Libya, Syria and Yemen with Saudi Arabia and Iran next in line. Pakistan is already staggering under the sheer scale of violence, war, chaos as well as political and economic anarchy.."


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Today, Pakistan finds itself between the Drones and the Suicide bombers - the two proverbial jaws of the same alligator, invading from the following opposing axis: The Western Crusaders, US, NATO, Neo-Cons and the Zionists. Using the full might of the western military and industrial power, backed by the massive use of information warfare and Psy-ops weapons, another wave of physical colonization of Muslim lands has begun. The Radically anarchic Takfiri Kharjee religious militants. Exploiting the heretical interpretations of religious ideals, these terrorist gangs have been on the rampage within the Muslim lands, primarily targeting Iraq and Pakistan with devastating effects. By declaring war on the Muslim lands from within their territories, the Kharjees have become the most valuable assets for the Western crusaders to justify their global wars and colonization.

 

 

Interesting; thanks for the article NDPP. I understand the usual "western crusader/NATO" blaah blaah blaah but then I looked into/searched the meaning of the word "Kharjee" on the internet... Wow.


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US Commander Sacked for Remarks on Karzai

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/208471.html

"...He criticized Afghan President Hamid Karzai, for his recent remark that Afghanistan would back Pakistan in the event that the latter country  enters a war with the US, blasting Karzai's comments as 'erratic.' Why don't you just poke me in the eye with a needle.? You've got to be kidding me...I'm sorry but we just gave you $USD 11.6 Billion and now you're telling me,'I don't really care,' Fuller said."

you just can't get good help these days...


Fidel
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Christ, they've been there so long they should start paying taxes. Gladio mafia out of Afghanistan!

Corrupt Mujahideen Stooges Seek Support For US Military Occupation Through 2024


NDPP
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ICC Mulls Probe into Canada's Treatment of Afghan Detainees

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/11/15/icc-mulls-probe-into-canadas-tre...

"Moreno-Campo said his report will not specifically focus on Canada's treatment of detainees in Afghanistan, but all crimes allegedly committed in that country and several others.

Most allegations, he added, are against the Taliban, but all claims are being looked at.

Afghanistan isn't the only country in which Canada could face a possible ICC investigation. Retired Canadian judge Philippe Kirsch is heading a UN investigation into allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity in Libya, with a report due in March.."

an imperialist court looking into imperialist crimes....yeah right. Moreno-Campo is a kangaroo that knows not only which side his bread is buttered on but jumps only when told to and where...


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Canadian Troops Headed to US Survival School for Afghan Risks

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1090443--canadian-tr...

"...Revelations that the military is seeking US survival training for the 2011-2014 training mission on Afghanistan have raised questions about why Canada must turn to the US..."


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