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The last time Topp was mantioned in this thread it was clarified that he said that if the by-election happens during the leadership race, he cannot run two elections at once, so he does not offer. Which moots the rest of the speculation.
But I would certainly hope there was opposition in the riding to him running. And anyone else who might run. This is the NDP isnt it?.
The last time Topp was mentioned in this thread it was clarified that he said that if the by-election happens during the leadership race, he cannot run two elections at once, so he does not offer. Which moots the rest of the speculation.
I think that's a stance a politician could break without much repercussion
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But I would certainly hope there was opposition in the riding to him running. And anyone else who might run. This is the NDP isnt it?.
I believe the Tories spent the full amount allowed by law in the Winnipeg North by election last year. They still barely saved their deposit.
And yet in the following *general* election, they jumped to an astronomical-for-that-seat quarter of the vote. Go figure.
That had more to do with Rebecca Blaikie not being able to get as many votes for the NDP as the previous and popular MP, Judy Wasylicia-Lies, could. It looks like the Conservatives did much better, but if Blaikie had received as many votes as the NDP traditionally does in Winnipeg North, the Conservatives would not have had that large of a percentage.
I was amused by Stockholm's post in the other thread:
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The federal NDP caucus is now 40% female and while that is not quite 50% its getting close enough that its hard to argue that the next NDP candidate in T-D asbolutely has to be a woman.
40% huh? Heck, that's only a third more men in caucus than women - that's practically equality, right? Certainly when women earned a third less than men, we considered that close enough to be equal...didn't we?
I would personally be happier if the NDP decided "not to stop until the job was done" when it comes to gender equity in caucus.
I believe the Tories spent the full amount allowed by law in the Winnipeg North by election last year. They still barely saved their deposit.
And yet in the following *general* election, they jumped to an astronomical-for-that-seat quarter of the vote. Go figure.
That had more to do with Rebecca Blaikie not being able to get as many votes for the NDP as the previous and popular MP, Judy Wasylicia-Lies, could. It looks like the Conservatives did much better, but if Blaikie had received as many votes as the NDP traditionally does in Winnipeg North, the Conservatives would not have had that large of a percentage.
Governing parties don't tend to do as well in by elections. In 2008 the Conservatives won 22% of the vote. Ignoring the by election, from 2008 to 2011 the Conservative vote increased by exactly 4 percentage points. The Liberals have gone from 9% to 36%, so the NDP has lost a lot of support to both the Liberals and Conservatives. This was obviously more of a Judy seat then an NDP seat.
Except, who'd be the Kevin Lamoureux figure? (Actually, there was one once ruling the roost here--Dennis Mills.)
Who knows who it might. The Liberals might have issues but this is Toronto, so I'm sure there's no shortage of Liberals in the area. I've heard George Smitherman's name mentioned, he may have represented the neighbouring riding provincially but he's still very well known and took over 50% of the vote in the area in the Mayoral election. Someone may also run with plans of running for the leadership of the party.
I think who ever is running the show at Liberal HQ would have to think long and hard about having someone as toxic as Warren Kinsella running for them. That guy seems to have sued half te population of Toronto and more often than not the people he sues are fellow Liberals who might have crossed him at some point. Keep away....keep far, far away.
Definitely. Even an allie like Bov Rae would not likely like Warren in a public position.
But if Warren wanted to run, with the white paper having criticisised interference in nominations, and needing the kerfuffle of denying exactly what they do not need.... I think they would let him run.
Its fun to speculate about a Topp-Kinsella battle in a byelection - two backroom boys who have run war rooms attacking each other...it will never happen but its fun to speculate.
The last time Topp was mantioned in this thread it was clarified that he said that if the by-election happens during the leadership race, he cannot run two elections at once, so he does not offer. Which moots the rest of the speculation.
But I would certainly hope there was opposition in the riding to him running. And anyone else who might run. This is the NDP isnt it?.
And yet in the following *general* election, they jumped to an astronomical-for-that-seat quarter of the vote. Go figure.
I think that's a stance a politician could break without much repercussion
Well put.
That had more to do with Rebecca Blaikie not being able to get as many votes for the NDP as the previous and popular MP, Judy Wasylicia-Lies, could. It looks like the Conservatives did much better, but if Blaikie had received as many votes as the NDP traditionally does in Winnipeg North, the Conservatives would not have had that large of a percentage.
Well said as usual.
Governing parties don't tend to do as well in by elections. In 2008 the Conservatives won 22% of the vote. Ignoring the by election, from 2008 to 2011 the Conservative vote increased by exactly 4 percentage points. The Liberals have gone from 9% to 36%, so the NDP has lost a lot of support to both the Liberals and Conservatives. This was obviously more of a Judy seat then an NDP seat.
It is obviously nothing.
This is a riding where voter turnout means everything. Look over changes in the raw votes.
It was not a Judy seat. It should be an NDP seat. The Liberal Lamoreaux ran a superb campaign, getting out his vote. Beat us at our own game.
It has been NDP/CCF/Labour for most of its history. But we still have to win the seat each election.
Winnipeg North is a perfect example of why people shouldn't just assume Toronto Danforth is safe.
Except, who'd be the Kevin Lamoureux figure? (Actually, there was one once ruling the roost here--Dennis Mills.)
Who knows who it might. The Liberals might have issues but this is Toronto, so I'm sure there's no shortage of Liberals in the area. I've heard George Smitherman's name mentioned, he may have represented the neighbouring riding provincially but he's still very well known and took over 50% of the vote in the area in the Mayoral election. Someone may also run with plans of running for the leadership of the party.
Warren Kinsella? (AFAIK he still lives next door)
Anybody remember the Kinsella column right after the election.
Remember that Kinsella made no bones about it before the election: the ship is ust about sunk, we deserve this, etc.
He didnt crow afterwards [didnt need to either]. Didnt launch straight away into "NOW, can we finally seriously discuss merger?"
He said essentially, now is the time to step forward, put my money where my mouth is, and run for office myself.
Guarantee you that Warren would make an interesting candidate.
Anybody remember the Kinsella column right after the election.
Remember that Kinsella made no bones about it before the election: the ship is ust about sunk, we deserve this, etc.
He didnt crow afterwards [didnt need to either]. Didnt launch straight away into "NOW, can we finally seriously discuss merger?"
He said essentially, now is the time to step forward, put my money where my mouth is, and run for office myself.
Guarantee you that Warren would make an interesting candidate.
I thought that was a pitch to become the Liberal candidate in Beaches-East York, where he lives.
This seat is now vacant though.
I think who ever is running the show at Liberal HQ would have to think long and hard about having someone as toxic as Warren Kinsella running for them. That guy seems to have sued half te population of Toronto and more often than not the people he sues are fellow Liberals who might have crossed him at some point. Keep away....keep far, far away.
Definitely. Even an allie like Bov Rae would not likely like Warren in a public position.
But if Warren wanted to run, with the white paper having criticisised interference in nominations, and needing the kerfuffle of denying exactly what they do not need.... I think they would let him run.
But this is sheer and pointless speculation.
Its fun to speculate about a Topp-Kinsella battle in a byelection - two backroom boys who have run war rooms attacking each other...it will never happen but its fun to speculate.
Closing for length.