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You were quite definitive in your presentation of this junk as science. Here is the result of a quick google search. Try to be more careful of the MSM garbage you present as fact.
http://www.asap-spssi.org/pdf/0501dhami.pdf
Look, I think this tangent has gone far enough, but unlike the article I cited, there aren't any real numbers, and no actual voting prisoners in that piece at all.
There are numbers of ex-felons, sure, but as for how they might vote, there is only a guess based on the extrapolation of a claim that the whole community of "ethnic minorities" tend to vote Democrat. No numbers, unfortunately. And a bit odd, assuming that the values of the prison population can be equated to those of the entire non-white population, rich, poor, and in-between.
If we want to be careful and scientific and all...
Anyway, that's enough for me on this one.
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Hey, I did find this...
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060112/elxn_prison...
Hard to say if it was representative of the whole system, but it is real prisoners who really vote Liberal, a deviation from the general population that was also predicted by the Election Report.
In other news, Vic Toews has dismissed as inaccurate the memo which BoomBoom cited at #22.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/todays-paper/Toews+dismisses+secret+...
No news flash there.
Somebody better get their shit together on this issue...and quick.
Rafferty says...
“I was very encouraged by your support and believe that I have a clear mandate to vote to abolish the Long Gun Registry when I return to Ottawa.” (Nov. 11)
http://www.tbnewswatch.com/columns/columnentry.aspx?cid=173646&catid=133
Turmel says...
“All of us, we believe registration should be kept and I believe they do support that too,” she said of MPs John Rafferty and Bruce Hyer who voted to scrap the long-gun registry. (Nov. 16)
http://blogs.canada.com/2011/11/16/turmel-flouts-facts-vows-unity-on-gun-registry/
Two question for people here in the know...
1) Who is advising Turmel and briefing her on what her own MPs are saying publicly in the issue?
2) Do MPs, the Leadership, and their staff not talk about important issues or what?????
This is becoming very painful to watch unfold...
60789 if you don't want people to comment on your poorly researched comments then don't make them. Do an iota of checking first. You stated categorically that they did vote for Conservatives. Your words not mine and not the weasel words you are falling back on as you try to dismiss the fact that you stated a stupid right wing talking point as a fact.
Well to try again to steer this back on topic, I don't see it as stupid or right wing to make the general point that many Canadians voted for Harper despite the fact that his policies are completely against their interest.
And the gun control issue has been one of the most important issues to blame for that - particularly in rural Canada. I happened to stumble this morning on the site of a group opposing the registry. It featured a neat little animated gif of the Liberal logo (written as "LIE bral" which morphed into a hammer and sickle.
I think the Harper caucus might actually be regretting getting rid of the registry, since they have gotten so much mileage out of it. One wonders what they will use as their next great threat to freedom if they manage to get rid of it.
To use just one example, there are many supporters of the Wheat Board who claim they voted for Harper, but not for ending the single desk- many of them in ridings which used to go Liberal or NDP. It begs the question - what DID they vote for?
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I suspect the gun registry had more than a little to do with influencing that demographic. I don't think Harper would have ever gotten his majority had it not been for the registry, and I think it has always been more a political tool than a policy issue for him. After all, on every other aspect of justice he is all for more power and control, and more invasion of privacy.
Yet on this one flashpoint of an issue He is exactly the opposite. So of course they'll say they are going to destroy it. That's what this is all about.
But I'd be surprised if a carbon copy of the registry doesn't get handed over to someone at CSIS after it gets "destroyed". Why would he ever want to really get rid of that information?
I would have agreed with that point. That is akin to saying the sky is blue. WOW
PM'd you, Northern Shoveler.
The draft legislation would destroy all existing records, so that can't happen - unless Québec wins in court and others follow:
Quebec takes feds to court over guns
This is going to get so messy. Its almost as if Herr Harper and his little storm troppers have completely written off Quebec.
Too bad other provinces don't give a shit.
The "key tool" was a hunting rifle found at the scene (note that it was NOT the murder weapon) that was reported stolen by the uncle (?) of one of the accomplices. Even without the registry, that rifle still would have been reported stolen (as it is required by law), and the situation would not have changed in the slightest.
To say that the opposition was mediocre would be generous...
WHAT!?!?! Please please please tell me this is not so! Back in my home country, we know that guns kill - please tell me Canada is not making a big mistake! senior Harper is a capitalist pig! when the NDP get power, i hope they make him politcal prisoner number 1! I'm sorry canada!
Actually, Cote made several errors in his statement. There was only one Murderer, Roszko. He was found dead on the scene from a self inflicted gun shot wound. The case was pretty much closed right there.
Hennessey and Cheeseman were convicted of murder, but weren't on scene when it happened, and had no idea what Roszko was up to. The only reason they helped him was because he showed up to their house and threatened them with a gun, demanding a ride back to his farm. Their only crime was not being able to afford a lawyer who could argue the defense of necessity. Mark my words, those guys were wrongfully convicted.
The registry was used to track one of the several guns, back to one of the two individuals' uncles who reported it stolen years before. While the registry was able to do this, the Canadian Police Information Centre, which contains a record of all reported stolen property, also does this. To be fair the cons have never really claimed that gun registry isn't useful for solving crime, it just can't prevent it, as we've seen.
Its the same with your 2009 example, stolen property gets reported in CPIC. In fact, if you check the Ottawa Citizens website you can see what information is in the Registry. No where does it list the status of a gun, ie held by owner, loaned, or stolen. The system isn't set up for that.
Welcome to Canada Emilio!
I would politely like to inform you that in Canada we don't throw capitalist pigs into prison, we elect them into office. We live in a democracy, governed by a rule of law, and believe in Individual rights. Like the right to life, liberty, and security of the person.
I would be very disappointed in the NDP if they chastized a former Prime Minister just because you said so...
How is it supposed to do that if their crime guns aren't registered?
This happened during the C391 vote as well. Layton forced his MP's to tow the party line or risk penalty.... Then denied it in public. Pretty much guaranteed that the NDP won't see my vote.....
I find it absolutely disgusting that NDP'rs are suddenly overwhelmingly in favor of the gun registry,
When the Conservatives were in a minority government Jack Leighton himself told his MP's to "vote their conscience".... the bill to scrap was defeated by one measly vote.... Now, all of a sudden you garner heavy support in Quebec, the most feverishly anti gun province in Canada and your political platform changes?...
The registry is a ridiculous waste of money and does nothing to stop crime. The weapon used in the massacre at l'ecole polytechnique was registered... what good did that do? Criminals are going to have guns because they don't care about gun control laws or any other laws for that matter... that is what makes them criminals...
Jack would be ashamed of the party's current state cowtwiung and pandering in a desperate effort to keep a fading hold on newly acquired seats... Hell, just ask any of the 17 people that watch CSPAN and they will tell you that Bob Rae is the official opposition leader.... shame... Jack was a good guy...
I suppose everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Letting MPs vote their conscience was the only way to handle situation. Gun control/Crime control wasn't a big part of anyones campaign, asides from the Conservatives.
Why risk his MPs popularity in their own riding by trying to control a non confidence, non election issue? RCMP and SatsCan numbers show less than half of all long guns are even registered in the first place. I think getting rid of the Registry is probably more popular than than most people realize.
I think every party could probably think of better ways to spend the money, and the NDP have bigger fish to fry...Like trying to get Jack Harris not come off as completely hysterical every time he mentions the non restricted guns that he wants to ban.
Duplicate sorry. How do you delete?
2nd duplicate oops. I'm new.
The Liberal party lost a lot of seats in the last election thanks to their stand on the registry. Not just in the country either. Just ask Mark Holland how things went for him.
You and I think the same. I always thought that way when the Lieberals were in power. But now I actually trust the Gov.
The Lieberals? That's so early 2000's, besides it's not the Liberals you need to worry about anymore, gonna be an ORANGE REVOLUTION in 2015.
Sewer's backing up again. Why is it so goddam hard to find a plumber just before Christmas?
How can you trust a guy that blurts out things like this:
It's obvious that Steve flunked elementary school math because more than 60 percent of Canadian voters voted against the Harper Gov't of Canada and in more than one election, too.
I can't trust someone who doesn't know basic ratio and proportions. If he doesn't know that, what else does he not understand? It's pretty scary if you ask me.
This is the political system we have. How come Liberals only bitch about it when they lose?
Just man up a bit and try again next election like we had to many times.
I knew there was something amiss behind those Alaskan Husky eyes, and from an economist no less.