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I'm talking about the definitions of urban, suburban and exurban. Not what's part of the region.
If you're using municipalities that are a part of the region as the definition of urban then you may as well say that Maple Ridge, which according to your link is "well within the Vancouver Urban Area", is also urban. Or so is Langley. So I'm not entirely sure what the point of that link was, as it relates to definitions.
Though IIRC, you consider municipalities of 5,000 people to be "urban", as they are defined that way by Stats Canada. That said, Stats Canada does not differentiate between 'urban', 'suburban', 'exurban' and 'rural' areas. Only between urban-ized (i.e. developed) and rural areas (i.e. undeveloped areas - assuming they have less than 5,000 people).
Stats Can defines Census Metropolitan Areas as the regional definition, so if you click on that button you will see it indeed includes all of Maple Ridge. However, the "urban area" map I linked to shows only the urban portion of Maple Ridge.
Stats Can defines "urban area" as an area with urban population density, with at least 1,000 population. My own preference is to define "urban" as an urban area with at least 50,000 people. This is also a component of Stats Can's definition of a Census Metropolitan Area: it includes the suburbs of an urban area with a core population of at least 50,000. So if you play with the map I linked to, you will see Abbotsford has an urban area with 138,986 people, and a CMA with 159,020 people. Chiliwack, however, is only a "Census Agglomeration" (not a CMA) because, even though its urban core has 59,453 people, the full area has only 80,892 people (less than the criterion of 100,000). Neither Abbotsford nor Chiliwack are part of the Vancouver CMA because of technical definitions you can find on the Stats Can site having to do with how many people drive to work where. Exurbs.
However, areas of urban density, with populations between 1,000 and 50,000, which Stats Can calls "urban areas" (resulting in their statement that 80% of Canadians live in urban areas), are not "rural" either. They are small urban, or small-town. When someone says "rural" in Ontario, it usually turns out they mean "rural and small-town."
Besides, from a strictly urban planning perspective, Burnaby is most definitely suburban. It's an 'inner suburb' and not exurban, but it's still suburban. Heck, most of Vancouver proper is still suburban from a technical standpoint.
Please provide links to the discipline and its definitions that you are relying on for this definitive statement. Burnaby has its own businesses and like many paerts of the urban core of the Lower Mainland workers commute to Burnaby to earn a living. The city's employment is no more tied to Vancouver than it is to Richmond or New West. The bedroom community for Howes Street and the downtown business crowd, who don't live in the west of Vancouver, live in North and West Vancouver.
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History
At incorporation, the municipality's citizens unanimously chose to name it after legislator, speaker, Freemason and explorer, Robert Burnaby, who had been private secretary to Colonel Richard Moody, the Colony of British Columbia's first land commissioner in the mid-19th century.[1] In 1859, Mr. Burnaby had surveyed the freshwater lake near what is now the city's geographical centre; Moody chose to name it Burnaby Lake.
In the first 30 to 40 years after its incorporation, the growth of Burnaby was influenced by its location between expanding urban centres of Vancouver and New Westminster. It first served as a rural agricultural area supplying nearby markets. Later, it served as an important transportation corridor between Vancouver, the Fraser Valley and the Interior and continues to do so. As Vancouver expanded and became a metropolis, it was one of the first-tier bedroom community suburbs of Vancouver itself, along with North Vancouver and Richmond. Burnaby is now a mature, integrated community, which is centrally located within a rapidly growing metropolitan area. Burnaby's characteristic has shifted over time from rural to suburban, to urban.
Burnaby occupies 98.60 square kilometres (38.07 sq mi) and is located at the geographical centre of the Metro Vancouver area. Situated between the city of Vancouver on the west and Port Moody, Coquitlam, and New Westminster on the east, Burnaby is further bounded by Burrard Inlet and the Fraser River on the north and south respectively. Burnaby, Vancouver and New Westminster collectively occupy the major portion of the Burrard Peninsula. The elevation of Burnaby ranges from sea level to a maximum of 370 metres (1,200 ft) atop Burnaby Mountain. Due to its elevation, the city of Burnaby experiences quite a bit more snowfall during the winter months than nearby Vancouver or Richmond. Overall, the physical landscape of Burnaby is one of hills, ridges, valleys and an alluvial plain. The land features and their relative locations have had an influence on the location, type and form of development in the city.
Burnaby is home to many industrial and commercial firms. British Columbia's largest (and Canada's second largest) commercial mall, the Metropolis at Metrotown is located in Burnaby. Still, Burnaby's ratio of park land to residents is one of the highest in North America, and it maintains some agricultural land, particularly along the Fraser foreshore flats in the Big Bend neighbourhood along its southern perimeter.
People seem to be confusing the adjective urban with the noun urban by claiming the noun 'urban area' the same as the adjective 'urban' as in a type of development. So perhaps these definitions are better.
Central City: The central city or core city is the municipality in an urban area or metropolitan area that emerged historically as the most prominent in the urban area. Almost without exception, the name of the core city is also shared with the urban area and the metropolitan area.
The Urban Core: Generally the urban core or the inner city is in the central city. Sometimes the urban core includes adjacent municipalities that developed during the same period as the core city. For example, Frederiksburg is a part of the core of the Copenhagen urban area, L’Hospitalet is a part of the core of the Barcelona urban area, and Cambridge is a part of the core of the Boston urban area core.
These two are 'urban' in the sense of an adjective.
Suburb: Collectively, the suburbs are all of the continuous urbanization that extends beyond the core city (all of the urban area except the historical core municipality and other adjacent historical municipalities). A specific suburb can be an individual municipality or community in the suburbs. For example, the cities of Evanston and Oak Park are suburbs of Chicago. In the London area, municipalities that are outside the Greater London Authority, but inside the greenbelt are suburbs, such as Epsom and Ottershaw (the London urban area is within the green belt).
This is 'suburban' in the sense of an adjective.
Exurban: Exurban refers to non-rural development that is within a metropolitan area, but outside the urban area. There are two types of exurban development:
Exurb: An exurb is a municipality (or a community) or urban area in a metropolitan area that is separated by rural territory from the principal urban area. For example, DeKalb and Kankakee are exurbs of Chicago. The urban areas that are within the London metropolitan area, but outside the greenbelt, are exurbs, such as St. Albans and Milton Keynes.
Low Density Exurban Development: Low density exurban development is generally large lot residential development that is not of sufficient density to be considered urban and is not agricultural.
These three are 'exurban' in the sense of an adjective.
So, Burnaby is most definitely not captured within the central city definition. It is arguably within the urban core, though I'd put it within the suburb definition. Maple Ridge is possibly captured by the suburban definition, considering continued sprawl of the urban area, but traditionally has been exurban and is definitely low density. How one defines a given municipality changes along with the pace of development.
The Urban Core: Generally the urban core or the inner city is in the central city. Sometimes the urban core includes adjacent municipalities that developed during the same period as the core city. For example, Frederiksburg is a part of the core of the Copenhagen urban area, L’Hospitalet is a part of the core of the Barcelona urban area, and Cambridge is a part of the core of the Boston urban area core.
Thanks for making my point.
Burnaby was incorporated in 1892 and is part of the urban core precisely because it has developed independently but simultaneously with the original main cites of New West and Vancouver. Vancouver and North Burnaby had integrated trolly line services over a hundred years ago and even the rail line serving the region that also began over century ago was called the Interurban.
New West is also an urban municipality and it has never been a suburb of Vancouver.
So what's your point then? That to be fair we ought to change the regional name to something else, which would give these other municipalities the recognition they deserve? Mission was incorporated in 1892 too, so I geuss it's urban. After all it's relativley adjacent to Vancouver and developed at the same time, therefore it's urban according to your reading. In fact if we want to be very literal New West was incorporated far before Vancouver, as were many other regional municipalities, so we probably should call the Metro Vancouver Metro New Westminster instead. But since we're being tedious and pedantic, I can easily point out what you've overlooked too.
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Central City:The central city or core city is the municipality in an urban area or metropolitan area that emerged historically as the most prominent in the urban area. Almost without exception, the name of the core city is also shared with the urban area and the metropolitan area.
Which, brings this back to your whole complaint that the municipal elections in other municipalities didn't receive as much attention as the City of Vancouver's. I don't think you can honestly argue that Burnaby has "emerged historically as the most prominent [municipality] in the [Vancouver] urban area." Nor does it meet the second criterion of being the municipality people associate with the entire region. It would be like arguing that people in Montreal ought to talk about the mayor of Laval during municipal elections there, or that people in Toronto ought to talk more about the mayor of Mississaugathan they do Rob Ford. If that is your point, because these traditionally suburban cities now share characteristics as defined by the definition of 'The Urban Core', then your point is patently absurd.
Would the region simply be better served if we called it "The lower mainland"? since both Van and Northern are making legitimate statements that don't really contradict each other. GTA and Metro Van seem outdated to me.
Just like Toronto is best called "The Golden horseshoe" since arguably Hamilton should be included in the region.
All I know is that if a Vancouver school board candidate farted that was news for the Lowermainland's daily papers, but the issues that were happening in other communities were given almost no notice. Take a look just up the Valley where the whole council was replaced because of how they handled grow-op inspections. Or look at Whistler where wholesale change happpens over pay parking. Of couse if it doesn't happen in Vancouver it can't be a story worth reading.
Anyone know why each municiplity outside of Vancouver reports all results at once, while Vancouver reports its results poll by poll?
My guess is that because in many municipalities the ballot counting has been automated.
According to one of my friends in Vancouver, they use the automated ballot machines there as well. So unless she is wrong and they don't use automated ballot machines in Vancouver, there is some reason why the polling stations in Vancouver cannot post full results from these machines the moment the polls close, when polling stations in other municipalities can.
Which, brings this back to your whole complaint that the municipal elections in other municipalities didn't receive as much attention as the City of Vancouver's. I don't think you can honestly argue that Burnaby has "emerged historically as the most prominent [municipality] in the [Vancouver] urban area." Nor does it meet the second criterion of being the municipality people associate with the entire region. It would be like arguing that people in Montreal ought to talk about the mayor of Laval during municipal elections there, or that people in Toronto ought to talk more about the mayor of Mississaugathan they do Rob Ford.
Apples and oranges. Burnaby elections are to Vancouver City elections as Scarborough or North York elections used to be to pre-amalgamation Toronto City Council elections. And yes, they often deserved as much attention, and often didn't get it.
However, Toronto (the mega-city) is to Mississauga as Metro Vancouver (the Greater Vancouver Regional District) is to Abbotsford.
Montreal, Laval and Longueuil are intermediate cases, because Quebec has a different structure, as if the whole Lower Mainland had a regional government:
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the CMM (Communauté métropolitaine de Montréal) is administered by a 28-member Council composed of the following individuals:
the mayor of Montreal and thirteen persons designated by the agglomeration of Montréal from among the members of the council of Montréal and the councils of the other municipalities located within the agglomeration;
the mayor of Laval and two persons designated by the council of that city from among its other members;
the mayor of Longueuil and two persons designated by the agglomeration of Longueuil from among the members of the council of Longueuil and the councils of the other municipalities located within the agglomeration;
four mayors designated from among the mayors of the municipalities located both within the CMM and a Regional County Municipality (RCM) in the North Shore of Montreal, as follows:
the City of Mirabel and the RCM of Deux-Montagnes, together, designate one member;
the RCM of Thérèse-De Blainville designates one member;
the RCM of Les Moulins designates one member;
the RCM of L'Assomption designates one member.
four mayors designated from among the mayors of the municipalities located both within the CMM and a Regional County Municipality (RCM) in the South Shore of Montreal, as follows:
the RCM of Roussillon designates one member;
the RCM of Marguerite-D'Youville designates one member;
the RCM of La Vallée-du-Richelieu and the RCM of Rouville, together, designate one member;
the RCM of Beauharnois-Salaberry and the RCM of Vaudreuil-Soulanges, together, designate one member.
Underneath that is the City of Montreal, which is (after de-merger) slightly comparable to the City of Vancouver.
In between is the Montreal Agglomeration Council, a little like Metro Vancouver, except they use weighted votes:
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The agglomeration council, which came into existence on January 1, 2006, is headed by the mayor of Montréal and consists of 31 elected officials representing all the municipalities on the island of Montréal, specifically:
The mayor of Montréal
15 members of Montréal’s city council
14 mayors of reconstituted municipalities (L'Île-Dorval and Dorval have one representative)
An additional representative from Dollard-Des Ormeaux (because of the size of its population), selected by the mayor of Dollard-Des Ormeaux.
The agglomeration is structured democratically. The mayor names 15 elected officials to the agglomeration council, who continue their terms as city councillors. The city council determines the direction that elected officials take as part of the agglomeration council. The same goes for mayors of reconstituted cities, whose respective city councils determine the orientations of their work with the agglomeration council.
Montréal’s mayor and city councillors hold around 87 per cent of the votes on the agglomeration council, while the mayors of reconstituted cities hold around 13 per cent. These percentages are proportional to the respective demographic weight of each of the cities on the island of Montréal.
Actually it hasn't changed since I made it above and quite frankly I can't figure out why you are arguing about it. You got it wrong!!! Burnaby is not a suburb of Vancouver. Just because you can't see the difference between the urban core and Abbotsford is not something I can change. If you don't believe me for whatever reason you should believe Wilf.
Northern Shoveler, before Vansterdam posted his pithy question wrote:
Frankly listening to the MSM coverage of the issues you would think that Vancouver was the only major municipality in the Lower Mainland. I'd bet close to 90% of the coverage was about that election. There are a lot of issues at play in Metro Vancouver but unfortunately one would get the impression that the race involving 25% of the voters is the only one that matters.
I don't think that elections in other major municipalities, except possibly Surrey, are worthy of as much attention because frankly their issues aren't all that interesting, diverse or important. Burnaby may not be simply a mall, SFU and a bunch of houses anymore, but to claim that Metrotown is akin (in importance, influence, etc) to Downtown Vancouver is absurd.
In central cities you usually have clashes of economic classes and cultures that you don't have to the same degree in such a confined space outside of these areas. There are also other issues like gentrification, where the central city becomes just as exclusive as 'elite neighbourhoods' like the British Properties or Shaughnessy, that aren't happening to the same degree in Metrotown but obviously are in the West End, Fairview and Mount Pleasant all of which are central city neighbourhoods. To further expand upon this point, if one looks at the rennoviction crisis in the West End and the massive jump in average rental costs, one can see that. Especially if you compare that to average wages, which aren't all that different across the region, thus making the issue more acute in Vancouver. I'm not saying it doesn't exist elsewhere, just that it's more acute here hence worthy of more attention in highlighting the affordability crisis.
At the same time as this is happening, the central city tends to act as a dumping ground, where most of the social services more marginalized people depend on are located, so as to keep them away from the 'good' citizens in the rest of the region. This, in turn, leads to these neighbourhoods being starkly divided between rich and poor with an ever decreasing (proportional) population of working and middle class people.
Also, the central city is where most regional attractions are, hence it draws the biggest number of visitors, workers and residents to use such facilities putting a greater tax burden on the residents of Vancouver than it does the residents of Burnaby, Richmond, etc. One can't argue that there's an equivalent movement of people coming downtown for Canucks games, as there is people going to Coquitlam to watch some BCJHL team play? Or that there's an equivalent movement of people going downtown to use the Vancouver Public Library as there are going from Vancouver to Burnaby, Richmond, etc? Or that there's an equivalent number of people from outside Vancouver going to use Stanley Park and other municipal parks and community centres as there are going from Vancouver to Burnaby to use Deer Lake Park and other municipal parks and community centres?
Besides, since when has the MSM been fair, or why should anyone expect it to be? After all it's a business and what exactly is interesting or profitable about covering a mayoral race where the mayor wins with over 60, 70 or even 80 percent of the vote? Not that I'm saying that the MSM even covered these issues, when there where Chickens, Occupations and Riots to focus on. Just that the substantive issues at least are more interesting from a central city perspective.
Stats Can defines Census Metropolitan Areas as the regional definition, so if you click on that button you will see it indeed includes all of Maple Ridge. However, the "urban area" map I linked to shows only the urban portion of Maple Ridge. Stats Can defines "urban area" as an area with urban population density, with at least 1,000 population. My own preference is to define "urban" as an urban area with at least 50,000 people. This is also a component of Stats Can's definition of a Census Metropolitan Area: it includes the suburbs of an urban area with a core population of at least 50,000. So if you play with the map I linked to, you will see Abbotsford has an urban area with 138,986 people, and a CMA with 159,020 people. Chiliwack, however, is only a "Census Agglomeration" (not a CMA) because, even though its urban core has 59,453 people, the full area has only 80,892 people (less than the criterion of 100,000). Neither Abbotsford nor Chiliwack are part of the Vancouver CMA because of technical definitions you can find on the Stats Can site having to do with how many people drive to work where. Exurbs.
http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recensement/2006/ref/dict/geo009a-eng.cfm
However, areas of urban density, with populations between 1,000 and 50,000, which Stats Can calls "urban areas" (resulting in their statement that 80% of Canadians live in urban areas), are not "rural" either. They are small urban, or small-town. When someone says "rural" in Ontario, it usually turns out they mean "rural and small-town."
Please provide links to the discipline and its definitions that you are relying on for this definitive statement. Burnaby has its own businesses and like many paerts of the urban core of the Lower Mainland workers commute to Burnaby to earn a living. The city's employment is no more tied to Vancouver than it is to Richmond or New West. The bedroom community for Howes Street and the downtown business crowd, who don't live in the west of Vancouver, live in North and West Vancouver.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnaby
Here are my definitions via a link too.
People seem to be confusing the adjective urban with the noun urban by claiming the noun 'urban area' the same as the adjective 'urban' as in a type of development. So perhaps these definitions are better.
Central City: The central city or core city is the municipality in an urban area or metropolitan area that emerged historically as the most prominent in the urban area. Almost without exception, the name of the core city is also shared with the urban area and the metropolitan area.
The Urban Core: Generally the urban core or the inner city is in the central city. Sometimes the urban core includes adjacent municipalities that developed during the same period as the core city. For example, Frederiksburg is a part of the core of the Copenhagen urban area, L’Hospitalet is a part of the core of the Barcelona urban area, and Cambridge is a part of the core of the Boston urban area core.
These two are 'urban' in the sense of an adjective.
Suburb: Collectively, the suburbs are all of the continuous urbanization that extends beyond the core city (all of the urban area except the historical core municipality and other adjacent historical municipalities). A specific suburb can be an individual municipality or community in the suburbs. For example, the cities of Evanston and Oak Park are suburbs of Chicago. In the London area, municipalities that are outside the Greater London Authority, but inside the greenbelt are suburbs, such as Epsom and Ottershaw (the London urban area is within the green
belt).
This is 'suburban' in the sense of an adjective.
Exurban: Exurban refers to non-rural development that is within a metropolitan area, but outside the urban area. There are two types of exurban development:
Exurb: An exurb is a municipality (or a community) or urban area in a metropolitan area that is separated by rural territory from the principal urban area. For example, DeKalb and Kankakee are exurbs of Chicago. The urban areas that are within the London metropolitan area, but outside the greenbelt, are exurbs, such as St. Albans and Milton Keynes.
Low Density Exurban Development: Low density exurban development is generally large lot residential development that is not of sufficient density to be considered urban and is not agricultural.
These three are 'exurban' in the sense of an adjective.
So, Burnaby is most definitely not captured within the central city definition. It is arguably within the urban core, though I'd put it within the suburb definition. Maple Ridge is possibly captured by the suburban definition, considering continued sprawl of the urban area, but traditionally has been exurban and is definitely low density. How one defines a given municipality changes along with the pace of development.
Thanks for making my point.
Burnaby was incorporated in 1892 and is part of the urban core precisely because it has developed independently but simultaneously with the original main cites of New West and Vancouver. Vancouver and North Burnaby had integrated trolly line services over a hundred years ago and even the rail line serving the region that also began over century ago was called the Interurban.
New West is also an urban municipality and it has never been a suburb of Vancouver.
So what's your point then? That to be fair we ought to change the regional name to something else, which would give these other municipalities the recognition they deserve? Mission was incorporated in 1892 too, so I geuss it's urban. After all it's relativley adjacent to Vancouver and developed at the same time, therefore it's urban according to your reading. In fact if we want to be very literal New West was incorporated far before Vancouver, as were many other regional municipalities, so we probably should call the Metro Vancouver Metro New Westminster instead. But since we're being tedious and pedantic, I can easily point out what you've overlooked too.
Which, brings this back to your whole complaint that the municipal elections in other municipalities didn't receive as much attention as the City of Vancouver's. I don't think you can honestly argue that Burnaby has "emerged historically as the most prominent [municipality] in the [Vancouver] urban area." Nor does it meet the second criterion of being the municipality people associate with the entire region. It would be like arguing that people in Montreal ought to talk about the mayor of Laval during municipal elections there, or that people in Toronto ought to talk more about the mayor of Mississauga than they do Rob Ford. If that is your point, because these traditionally suburban cities now share characteristics as defined by the definition of 'The Urban Core', then your point is patently absurd.
Would the region simply be better served if we called it "The lower mainland"? since both Van and Northern are making legitimate statements that don't really contradict each other. GTA and Metro Van seem outdated to me.
Just like Toronto is best called "The Golden horseshoe" since arguably Hamilton should be included in the region.
All I know is that if a Vancouver school board candidate farted that was news for the Lowermainland's daily papers, but the issues that were happening in other communities were given almost no notice. Take a look just up the Valley where the whole council was replaced because of how they handled grow-op inspections. Or look at Whistler where wholesale change happpens over pay parking. Of couse if it doesn't happen in Vancouver it can't be a story worth reading.
According to one of my friends in Vancouver, they use the automated ballot machines there as well. So unless she is wrong and they don't use automated ballot machines in Vancouver, there is some reason why the polling stations in Vancouver cannot post full results from these machines the moment the polls close, when polling stations in other municipalities can.
Apples and oranges. Burnaby elections are to Vancouver City elections as Scarborough or North York elections used to be to pre-amalgamation Toronto City Council elections. And yes, they often deserved as much attention, and often didn't get it.
However, Toronto (the mega-city) is to Mississauga as Metro Vancouver (the Greater Vancouver Regional District) is to Abbotsford.
Montreal, Laval and Longueuil are intermediate cases, because Quebec has a different structure, as if the whole Lower Mainland had a regional government:
Underneath that is the City of Montreal, which is (after de-merger) slightly comparable to the City of Vancouver.
In between is the Montreal Agglomeration Council, a little like Metro Vancouver, except they use weighted votes:
Actually it hasn't changed since I made it above and quite frankly I can't figure out why you are arguing about it. You got it wrong!!! Burnaby is not a suburb of Vancouver. Just because you can't see the difference between the urban core and Abbotsford is not something I can change. If you don't believe me for whatever reason you should believe Wilf.
Was there a bigger ballot issue than the Spetifore lands? How was the coverage? How did it compare to chickens in Vancouver?
I don't think that elections in other major municipalities, except possibly Surrey, are worthy of as much attention because frankly their issues aren't all that interesting, diverse or important. Burnaby may not be simply a mall, SFU and a bunch of houses anymore, but to claim that Metrotown is akin (in importance, influence, etc) to Downtown Vancouver is absurd.
In central cities you usually have clashes of economic classes and cultures that you don't have to the same degree in such a confined space outside of these areas. There are also other issues like gentrification, where the central city becomes just as exclusive as 'elite neighbourhoods' like the British Properties or Shaughnessy, that aren't happening to the same degree in Metrotown but obviously are in the West End, Fairview and Mount Pleasant all of which are central city neighbourhoods. To further expand upon this point, if one looks at the rennoviction crisis in the West End and the massive jump in average rental costs, one can see that. Especially if you compare that to average wages, which aren't all that different across the region, thus making the issue more acute in Vancouver. I'm not saying it doesn't exist elsewhere, just that it's more acute here hence worthy of more attention in highlighting the affordability crisis.
At the same time as this is happening, the central city tends to act as a dumping ground, where most of the social services more marginalized people depend on are located, so as to keep them away from the 'good' citizens in the rest of the region. This, in turn, leads to these neighbourhoods being starkly divided between rich and poor with an ever decreasing (proportional) population of working and middle class people.
Also, the central city is where most regional attractions are, hence it draws the biggest number of visitors, workers and residents to use such facilities putting a greater tax burden on the residents of Vancouver than it does the residents of Burnaby, Richmond, etc. One can't argue that there's an equivalent movement of people coming downtown for Canucks games, as there is people going to Coquitlam to watch some BCJHL team play? Or that there's an equivalent movement of people going downtown to use the Vancouver Public Library as there are going from Vancouver to Burnaby, Richmond, etc? Or that there's an equivalent number of people from outside Vancouver going to use Stanley Park and other municipal parks and community centres as there are going from Vancouver to Burnaby to use Deer Lake Park and other municipal parks and community centres?
Besides, since when has the MSM been fair, or why should anyone expect it to be? After all it's a business and what exactly is interesting or profitable about covering a mayoral race where the mayor wins with over 60, 70 or even 80 percent of the vote? Not that I'm saying that the MSM even covered these issues, when there where Chickens, Occupations and Riots to focus on. Just that the substantive issues at least are more interesting from a central city perspective.
Long thread. See y'all in three years?