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U.S. expanding the Afghan war into Pakistan - part 2

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Fidel
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Who do should we vote for then? Or do you suggest we all acquiesce to our colder war lap poodles in Ottawa by not voting at all? That should work, right?


NDPP
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Fidelio, believe whatever you like and vote as it pleases you to.


Fidel
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Gotcha. You're offering us no alternatives. Then I can only presume, and since the NDP is always the target of your affection, is that the only party worth considering is the NDP. Thanks, but we already knew that.


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"No one that ever lived ever thought so crooked as we.."

Beckett


Fidel
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I'm having a hard time understanding your disaffection for Canada's fourth political party. It's like they've upset the balance of powerlessness for the stoogeaucracy in Ottawa or something. Another thread perhaps.


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NDPP wrote:

'Al Qaeda'? The CIA is working with 'ancillaries of al Qaeda' in Pakistan? No wonder the US media has been keeping a wrap on this story for so long. If Davis was working with the Tehreek - e - Taliban, (as alleged in many reports) then we can assume that the war on terror is basically a ruse to advance a broader imperialist agenda.."

This is what our friend Fidel has been saying all along.

Can it be that my two friends are in agreement at this point?Wink


Fidel
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Yes, I forgot to mention what a good article that is. Good find, NDPP. And this isn't nothing new for Democrats. As Michel Chossudovsky and others have pointed out, the feds in Clinton's time, British SAS and even Iran worked with KLA to train and arm radicals and mercenaries in Bosnia and Macedonia in the 1990s at a time when Mujahideen and Qaeda were reported there in the former Yugoslavia. The Republican Senate Committee reported on the Clinton administration's covert dealings then. It's been out in the open more or less. At least two articles are still there on the RPC web site dated 1997 and 1999. None of that was mentioned in the bipartisan 9/11 Commission cover-up report either. Whistleblowers like Sibel Edmonds are saying this bs with Qaeda and other terror groups is still going on. The corruption and lies are constant and pervasive. And it doesn't say much for our fearless leaders in Ottawa at the same time. They just obey orders from Washington. It's really sad.


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Frmrsldr wrote:

NDPP wrote:

'Al Qaeda'? The CIA is working with 'ancillaries of al Qaeda' in Pakistan? No wonder the US media has been keeping a wrap on this story for so long. If Davis was working with the Tehreek - e - Taliban, (as alleged in many reports) then we can assume that the war on terror is basically a ruse to advance a broader imperialist agenda.."

This is what our friend Fidel has been saying all along.

Can it be that my two friends are in agreement at this point?Wink

NDPP

I have always understood that the war on terror was itself the 'advance of a broader imperialist agenda.' Notwithstanding this, there is  still authentic indigenous resistance movements working to defeat and destroy an occupying enemy. Tehreek e Taliban is only one formation, with a particular provenance, characteristics and objectives. Such terminology and tags as 'Taliban' or 'AQ' are highly unreliable and unspecific, as is the formation of hard and fast theories that are then applied too neatly to an entire theatre like Afghanistan or Pakistan. Things are not cut and dried in this regard no matter the schemes of CIA, ISI etc. I will continue to monitor things as they play out. The contributions of yourself, Fidelio and others only enrich my own, irregardless of what we may agree or disagree on.


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'CIA Mulls Targeting Pakistani Agents'

http://www.presstv.com/detail/167258.html

"Pakistani diplomatic sources say the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is considering targeting Pakistani diplomats in retaliation for the arrest of one of the agency's contractors. The Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) has demanded that the CIA share a list of all its contractors working in Pakistan. 'They need to come clean, tell us who they are and what they're doing. They need to stop doing things behind our back,' an ISI official said.."


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Raymond Davis Incident Shows How Tangled US-Pakistan Web Is  - by Conn Hallinan

http://www.fpif.org/blog/raymond_davis_incident_shows_how_tangled_us-pak...

"...In short, the US and Pakistan don't see eye to eye on Afghanistan and Islamabad is suspicious that Americans like Davis are undermining Pakistan's interests in what Islamabad views as an area central to its national security. The result of all this is a major diplomatic crisis on what is arguably the most dangerous piece of ground on the planet."


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Is Pakistan Also on the Edge?  -  by Aleef Khan

http://canada.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/83847

"Separating totally from the US and then not looking back is the only chance Pakistan has at reclaiming its dignity and self-confidence...in order to forestall such an event, US pundits, experts and ex intelligence agents are already in overdrive predicting an armageddon scenario.."


Fidel
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Pakistani Writers Question CIA's Role in Pakistan Following Arrest of Raymond Davis: It's 'No Longer Rational… To Dismiss Questions About the Presence, Motives, Activities and Scale' of CIA Agents' Operations in Pakistan'; 'The Duplicity of Our Successive Governments, in Terms of Hidden Deals with the U.S., Certainly Needs to Be Exposed' Via Davis Case; 'Anti-Americanism in Pakistan is Reaching Dangerous Proportions'

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In an article titled "The CIA, the ISI and 'Desi Liberals," Pakistani author and former Citigroup executive Yousuf Nazar questioned the CIA's operations in Pakistan, also noting however that the CIA could not have placed its operatives inside Pakistan without the consent of the ISI. Nazar also accused 'desi liberals' – i.e. local/indigenous liberals – of becoming defenders of the CIA's 'biggest' operations in Pakistan in their zeal to fight Islamic extremism.

In another article, titled "America's Mala Fide Intent?" Pakistani politician and strategic affairs commentator Dr. Shireen Mazari questioned the "U.S. agenda" in Pakistan and called for Davis to be tried for espionage in view of new evidence that he is a CIA operative.


Could it be that this CIA-ISI rift in recent years is complete and utter bullshit as usual by two right wing spy agencies that were bosom cold war allies in during anticommunist jihad against the Soviet-backed PDPA government in Kabul? Why would cold warriors in the CIA and ISI be at loggerheads now with the rich in Pakistan growing richer than ever under the neoliberal agenda backed by Warshington?

Phony wars and phony espionage. It's a corrupt US-backed military dictatorship in Pakistan same as before.


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'Blood money' frees CIA contractor in Pakistan

 

 

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110316/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan_detained_american

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An American CIA contractor detained on suspicion of murder was released on Wednesday after families of the two Pakistanis he killed were given "blood money" and the case was dropped, Pakistani officials said.

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US to probe CIA contractor killings in Pakistan

 

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110316/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan_detained_american

 

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The American Embassy says the Justice Department has opened an investigation into the killings of two Pakistani men by a CIA contractor in Pakistan.

The statement Wednesday came hours after the contractor, Raymond Allen Davis, was released from prison. A Pakistani lawyer for the families of the two victims in the Jan. 27 shooting says the United States paid $2.34 million in "blood money."


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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

'Blood money' frees CIA contractor in Pakistan

It is probably more accurate to say "CIA contractor was freed by force":

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12757244

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Faizan Haider, a lawyer representing the family of one of those killed, told the BBC that the "blood money" deal was done without his knowledge and that he was in detention when it was made.

"I was not allowed to participate in the proceedings of the case... and could not see or approach my clients," Asad Manzoor Butt said. "I and my associate were kept under forced detention for four hours. "If my clients have indeed signed a blood money deal, then this has been done behind my back and I don't know anything about it."

As recently as three days ago, relatives told the BBC they wanted justice not compensation.

Aijaz Ahmad, a cousin of Faizan Haider, said that eight members of his immediate family have not been traceable since news of the deal emerged. "There is a padlock on their door. Their phones are all switched off. If they have done this then they have acted dishonourably," he said.

The immediate family of the other man killed is also reported to have gone missing.


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Raymond Davis Walks  - by Dave Lindorff

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff03172011.html

"The surprise 'deal' which Pakistani news reports are saying appears to have been forced on the relatives of the families, who up to March 15 had insisted they wanted no blood money, but only justice, was announced in a court session March 16 in Lahore, at which the prosecution's case of murder was to have been presented.."


Fidel
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What a farce. Cold warriors are joined at the hip still. All the world is a stage, and these guys are just bad actors.


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Foreigners Escalate Pakistan Civil War (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/184290.html

"...There is a civil war going on in Pakistan. And the civil war is between the militants who dislike the foreign policy, who dislike the US occupation of Afghanistan, who dislike, resent and protest against the drone attacks in the Tribal Areas;and the enforcement agencies and the Pakistani military, and the Pakistani intelligence agency, they are all perceived to be siding with the US and foreign elements...

There are civil wars going on in at least seven Muslim countries, from Tunisia, to Libya, to Syria, to Afghanistan, to Iraq and now to Pakistan. And they are also trying to foment a civil war in Iran. So it seems like the foreign elements want each Islamic country to have a civil war, so that there is economic stagnation, so that there is total chaos.

So there is a pattern and there are foreign elements in every civil war in a Muslim state."


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Saleem Shahzad, a recently murdered Pakistani investigative journalist, has for years been reporting on the links between forces within the Pakistani military and the Taliban. The ISI had been supporting the Taliban since before 9/11, and attacks on former Pakistani president Musharraf were retaliatory strikes on Pakistan-US collusion.

Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and members of the Saudi Royal Family are all linked in conspiratorial schemes against the US and its allies. It boggles the mind to comprehend how the US supports the Saudis while being stabbed in the back at the same time. The question becomes who is playing who in a zero-sum outcome where the radical Islamists will inevitably turn mass popular opinion against the US.

There are a few good interviews on the subject on the Real News here and here.


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CIA Instigates Mutiny In the Pakistan Army  -  by MK Bhadrakumar

http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2011/06/16/cia-instigating-mutiny-...

"The unthinkable is happening..."


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Pakistan orders US out of drone base - The Guardian

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Pakistan has stopped US drone flights from a remote airbase in the western province of Balochistan and ordered US personnel to vacate it, the defence minister has said.

"We have told them to leave the Shamsi airbase," Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar said on Wednesday night, adding that US personnel had already started to shift equipment from the base....

Shamsi is located in a remote valley 350 miles south-west of Waziristan, where most of the CIA-directed Predator and Reaper drone strikes against al-Qaida and Taliban targets take place.

The closure of the base is a blow to a covert programme that has killed up to 2,500 people since its inception seven years ago and forms a cornerstone of President Barack Obama's strategy to flush al-Qaida from its Pakistani havens.

The US insists it will press ahead with the strikes.

 


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Next Stop is Pakistan  -  by Wayne Madsen

http://www.voltairenet.org/Next-Stop-is-Pakistan

"It looks as if Syria will have to wait now that - as Wayne Madsen points out - Washington's priority is seizing Pakistan's nuclear booty before, as the story goes, it falls into 'radical islamist' hands. The only obstacle remaining was to create an environment acceptable to world public opinion that would justify a multinational intervention in Pakistan.

Over the past year and a half, Washington has been attempting to do just that through a crescendo of uninterrupted provocations..."


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NATO-ISAF attack kills 26 Pakistani soldiers

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A senior Pakistani military officer told Reuters news agency that efforts were under way to transport the bodies of the dead soldiers to Mohmand's main town of Ghalanai.

"The latest attack by Nato forces on our post will have serious repercussions as they without any reasons attacked on our post and killed soldiers asleep," he said, requesting anonymity because he was not authorised to talk to the media.


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Is there going to be another war while nobody's looking?

Pakistan stops NATO supplies after deadly raid


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Pakistan Seals Border in Response to NATO Attack (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/helicopters-checkpoint-killed-military-273/

"The Pakistani government cannot tolerate such actions against its army...what the US and its NATO allies have done is an extremely dangerous incursion.."


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Frontier Post, Pakistan,  Editorial: The NATO Aggression

http://www.thefrontierpost.com/?p=85130

",,,This was a naked aggression, plain and simple, deliberate and planned. Let all and sundry note it is we alone not the UN or anybody else, who are to defend our territorial sovereignty and sanctity. For this we have to put on a strong face and show a strong hand.

Let the historians say, when it came to the crunch, the Pakistanis fought, fought hard, fought bravely, and went down fighting, not like cowards with the tail between the legs."


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When Will Pakistan's Spring Arrive?  by Eric Walberg

http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/12/when-will-pakistan

"...the seemingly bizarre friendly fire on its lapdog ally, as happened last week, is from Washington's point of view merely a blip in the old-fashioned regional radar it inherited from Britain. Unless of course, Pakistan has its 25 January moment."


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Russia Could Deliver Death Blow to NATO in AF-Pak Theater

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27964

"Russia has threatened to cut off NATO supply routes to Afghanistan if the alliance doesn't compromise on its missile defence plans..."


Fidel
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From NDPP's link:

Maria Sultan Sassi wrote:
Maria Sultan, defence analyst, while talking to this correspondent said that if the Russians also cut the supply line of NATO then it will turn out to be a cold death for NATO troops. "They will literally be strangled in Afghanistan with 90,000 troops, and as they admit that they have reserves for three months, which actually means they have reserves for two months, then NATO will have to airlift the troops and during the airlift only 15 to 20 percent can get out alive out of the 90,000 troops", Maria said.

Interesting. It sounds like US elites, and their eltist friends in Pakistan since the cold war era want us to believe that there is a riff developing between the two rabidly anti-communist and ideologically-driven states. This might be for appearance sake only.

U.S.-NATO Still Funding (and arming) The Taliban Pakistani Defence Analyst

I think the truth is that Pakistani elites and US-NATO country elites are still like "that" with one another. And I think it's highly likely that the Haqanni and Hekmatyar networks and American CIA, Brits and perhaps even a few of our own are still trafficking in drugs and running guns, and profiting from the chaos and deeply engrained corruption on all sides in general. It's a private war with US and Canadian and British taxpayers funding the corruption and the kick-back and graft. The phony-baloney war on terror rages on.


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Gen Hamid Gull: US Attak on Pakistan Will Turn Region into Inferno (and vid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGGenno4WTo

"Last month's attack by a NATO aircraft on Pakistan that killed 24 soldiers has infuriated Islamabad. RT spoke to Hamid Gull, the country's former head of intelligence, about consequences the incident may have for US-Pakistani relations..."


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