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Will Egypt be better or worse as a 'democracy'?

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Bec.De.Corbin
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  Errr, Fidel, are you saying the majority of the Egyptian people DIDN'T vote for the Muslim Brotherhood but they won anyways because the USA wanted them to?

knownothing
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Egypt will never be a democracy until the Americans quit paying for their military!


NDPP
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Payback For Paid Revolution? Egyptian Police Raid US NGOs (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/egypt-police-raid-ngo-953/

"Police in Cairo have today raided 17 civil society organizations as the country's military rulers seek to find out who exactly has been funding the Egyptian revolution. At least three of the human rights groups targeted in Thursday's operation, the National Democratic Institute, (NDI), Freedom House, and the International Republican Institute (IRI) are based in the US.

Author David Swanson believes the US-backed NGOs are not doing anything to help the situation in Egypt. 'We're talking here about many, many NGOs with different agendas, some from the United States with a record of ties to the CIA and a record of attempts to influence the outcomes of elections in other countries, he told RT.."


Fidel
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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:
Errr, Fidel, are you saying the majority of the Egyptian people DIDN'T vote for the Muslim Brotherhood but they won anyways because the USA wanted them to?

The American CIA recruited right wing mullahs in overthrowing Mossadeq in 1953 Iran. They were funding and cooperating with the Sunni Brotherhood about the same time. I think even Israel funded the Brotherhood at one time as they and the US have cooperated with Hamas previously to undermine the PLO. The US and Israel dropped support of Hamas when they became a political wing of the Palestinian movement. The U.S. and Israel prefer dealing with other right wing fundamentalists like themselves and try to avoid recognizing, or encouraging, the democratic process in general, although the Brotherhood is not quite as radical as other right wing extremists they've supported before and now, like Al-Qaeda in Bosnia through to Qaeda-linked LIFG Libya today. Washington's Secret History With the Muslim Brotherhood On the other hand, what would the CIA or US Government have to say if discovering that Russia, China or Cuba were funding and supporting right wing fundamentalists in the USA, like "Posse Comitatus", KKK, and other right wing extremists in an attempt to destabilize America?

Fidel
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So why would Egypt's military be raiding the offices of U.S.-funded "NGO's"?

According to national laws of Egypt and the U.S.A, is it not perfectly legal  for one country to provide "democracy assistance" to another? 

Has the Government of Egypt, or Cuba for that matter, ever been so generous as to donate cash and advisors to the cause of democracy assistance in U.S. elections where certain democratic voices have complained of a lack of proper campaign financing? 

What could possibly be wrong with this picture?

Egypt raids foreign organizations' offices in crackdown Three U.S. groups are among those raided. 

Activists say the army is using the ruse of foreign intervention to stoke nationalism and deflect criticism of abuses.

Because nationalism is a dirty word? Are Egyptians incapable of electing their own leaders without help from a certain foreign government nextdoor to "Soviet Canuckistan", as presidential candidate Pat Buchanan once referred to Canada? Perhaps Soviet Canuckistan will require some "NGOs" and "democracy assistance" at some point when things aren't going Washington's way in Ottawa.


Fidel
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Payback For Paid Revolution? Egyptian Police Raid US NGOs (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/egypt-police-raid-ngo-953/

"Police in Cairo have today raided 17 civil society organizations as the country's military rulers seek to find out who exactly has been funding the Egyptian revolution. At least three of the human rights groups targeted in Thursday's operation, the National Democratic Institute, (NDI), Freedom House, and the International Republican Institute (IRI) are based in the US.

Author David Swanson believes the US-backed NGOs are not doing anything to help the situation in Egypt. 'We're talking here about many, many NGOs with different agendas, some from the United States with a record of ties to the CIA and a record of attempts to influence the outcomes of elections in other countries, he told RT.."

 

"Influencing the outcomes of elections"? The CIA/US Government? Rrrrreally? Totally surprising. I never would have guessed. Well this is news to us, I must say.


NDPP
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here's more on Western 'steering' of the Arab Spring:

NGO Raids in Egypt: The US Engineered 'Arab Spring'

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28433


Fidel
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Good piece by Cartalucci above:

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In 2008, Egyptian activists from the now infamous April 6 movement were in New York City for the inaugural Alliance of Youth Movements (AYM) summit, also known as Movements.org. There, they received training, networking opportunities, and support from AYM's various corporate and US governmental sponsors, including the US State Department itself. The AYM 2008 summit report (page 3 of .pdf) states that the Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs, James Glassman attended, as did Jared Cohen who sits on the policy planning staff of the Office of the Secretary of State. Six other State Department staff members and advisers would also attend the summit along with an immense list of corporate, media, and institutional representatives.

Shortly afterward, April 6 would travel to Serbia to train under US-funded CANVAS, formally the US-funded NGO "Otpor" who helped overthrow the government of Serbia in 2000. Otpor, the New York Times would report, was a "well-oiled movement backed by several million dollars from the United States." After its success it would change its name to CANVAS and begin training activists to be used in other US-backed regime change operations.

Otpor again.

More on Otpor here: Regulating Revolutions in Eastern Europe Polyarchy and the National Endowment for Democracy 2006


NDPP
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'Egypt is on a Collision Course' (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/egypt-protest-tahrir-democracy-614/

"Tens of thousands of liberals, leftists and Islamists all protested on Friday in Cairo's landmark Tahrir Square. They accuse the ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces of manipulating the upcoming elections in order to hold on to power."


NDPP
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'Post Revolution Egypt Cuts Gas to Israel (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/237754.html

"First of all we have to understand that this gas deal was symbolic of the corruption and the total collusion between the Mubarak regime and the Zionist state under the dictate of American imperialism and there are many facets of this. Bear in mind that the EMG has never made its prices public but it has now beome known, and it has been documented in the Wall Street Journal, that the prices that were being paid for natural gas by Israel were 2 dollars per British Thermal Unit (BTU).

The price to Egyptian people for the same gas was 100 percent more, 4 dollars per BTU.."


Caissa
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It has ruled that last year's parliamentary election was unconstitutional, deciding that one third of the seats were "illegitimate".

The controversial decision, days before Egypt's presidential election run-off, has prompted the ruling military council to hold an emergency meeting.

The Muslim Brotherhood said it would send Egypt into a "dark tunnel".

Its Freedom and Justice party won 46% of the vote in the three-month poll and senior Brotherhood figure Essam Al-Arian warned that the decision would leave the incoming president without a parliament or a constitution

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18439530

Caissa
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Former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak was in a coma on Wednesday but off life support and his heart and other vital organs were functioning, according to security officials. Overnight, state media reported that the 84-year-old, who was ousted in last year's uprising and is now serving a life sentence in prison, suffered a stroke and was put on life support. He was transferred to a military hospital from the Cairo prison hospital where he has been kept since his June 2 conviction and sentencing for failing to stop the killing of protesters during the uprising.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/06/20/egypt-mubarak-coma.html


kropotkin1951
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I hate it when my instincts are right.  I knew in my heart that when the people left the streets and put their faith in the US backed military the chance of a transition to a meaningful democracy had ended. The question now is whether they will come back into the streets and face the real power in Egypt.  It is clear that the political regime was always subservient to the military junta and that has not changed during this charade of an exercise in democracy.  The people started the movement spontaneously and it is clear that only when the whole of civil society stands together is there any chance of removing a repressive, Western backed junta.


Fidel
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Clinton Reaffirms Backing of Egypt's Military Junta by grtv

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As Egypt lurches toward a civilian state, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton pays a visit to the country's civilian and military leaders.

Clinton avoids blaming military for violent transitional period, despite $1.3 billion dollars in aid to the generals.

And by some order of wild coincidence Al-CIA'duh and its affiliated terror groups are also NOT pushing for overthrow of the U.S.-backed military dictatorship in Cairo.


Fidel
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West Celebrates as Dark Age Descends over Egypt Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood begins rounding up outspoken journalists as Egypt arrays itself with West against Syria and Iran. 

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US-backed Sedition, Not Revolution Has Seized Egypt 

In January of 2011, we were told that "spontaneous," "indigenous" uprising had begun sweeping North Africa and the Middle East, including Hosni Mubarak's Egypt, in what was hailed as the "Arab Spring." It would be almost four months before the corporate-media would admit that the US had been behind the uprisings and that they were anything but "spontaneous," or "indigenous." In an April 2011 article published by the New York Times titled, "U.S. Groups Helped Nurture Arab Uprisings," it was stated (emphasis added):

"A number of the groups and individuals directly involved in the revolts and reforms sweeping the region, including the April 6 Youth Movement in Egypt, the Bahrain Center for Human Rights and grass-roots activists like Entsar Qadhi, a youth leader in Yemen, received training and financing from groups like the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute and Freedom House, a nonprofit human rights organization based in Washington."

 

The NATO spring continues.

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