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NATO's Canadian Commander in Libya, Charles Bouchard, Must Stand Trial for Warcrimes 3

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Tougher Foreign Policy Vital to Canada: Baird

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Tougher+foreign+policy+vital+Canada+...

"...It took a solid, personal relationship at the top between the prime minister and the president in order to initiate something, successfully see its conclusion and announce it, Baird says. 'The same is true with the mission in Libya,' he adds. 'I think Libya's a big success because of strong leadership on behalf of the prime minister, Baird says, though he also praises Gen. Charles Bouchard, the Canadian commander who oversaw the NATO operation.

In fact, the foreign affairs minister describes Libya as Canada's biggest diplomatic accomplishment in the past year. 'No doubt the diplomatic work, the coalition-building and the military success in Libya was a big one for Canada,' he says. 'How many thousands, tens of thousands, of civilian lives were saved? It's just a remarkable accomplishment. Gadhafi was just the worst of the worst.'

The Canadian military has emerged as a major player in Canadian foreign policy in recent years, bolstered by the fact the Defence Department budget has increased nearly $5.6 billion to $20.3 billion since the Conservative government came into power. This includes the purchase of new aircract, ships and armoured vehicles, as well as heavy combat roles in Afghanistan and Libya..."


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Charles the Butcher has just been made an Officer of the Order of Canada in recognition of his crimes, along with his colleague, Gen Rick "scumbags" Hillier.


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M. Spector wrote:

Charles the Butcher has just been made an Officer of the Order of Canada in recognition of his crimes, along with his colleague, Gen Rick "scumbags" Hillier.

NDPP

"For his contribution to global peacekeeping and security, and for his support for the protection of human rights."

And so we continue to live and support a system of official lies of which this is just the latest. Lt. Gen Charles Bouchard (RCAF) is an unindicted mass murdering warcriminal who killed Libyans for Canada and NATO's dirty blood-money.


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'Victory' In Libya A Stretch  -  by Scott Taylor

http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/50043-victory-libya-stretch

"I noted with interest that in the latest crop of Order of Canada recipients was none other than recently retired Lt. Gen. Charles Bouchard...

After a major firefight between two militia groups in Tripoli last week, Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, the NTC leader, had to concede that Libya is on the brink of civil war. According to Jalil, the two options available are to either have the fledgling national security force attempt to disarm the militias and 'put the Libyans in a military confrontation, which we don't accept, or we split and there will be civil war.'

As neither of these options precludes further senseless bloodshed in Libya, one has to wonder what medal Harper will next present to Bouchard in the Conservative government's continuing attempts to polish an ever stinkier turd."


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US Medal to Canadian NATO Commander

http://blogs.canada.com/2012/01/10/canadian-general-who-oversaw-nato-mis...

"Minister MacKay congratulates Lieutenant General Bouchard upon his receipt of the US Legion of Merit.

The US Legion of Merit is the sixth highest in order of precedence in the US, and may be awarded to individuals who distinguish themselves by exceptionally meritorious conduct in performing outstanding service to the United States..."

and that, without a doubt, is what it's really all about.


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Rumor and Anger Mount in Libya  -  by Franklin Lamb

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/01/13/rumor-and-anger-mount-in-libya/

"...The population today in Libya is increasingly furious because more and more cases are coming to light concerning the high number of children who have been killed by NATO.."

 

'We did our part. We did important work. We are proud of the work done by our soldiers. We are proud of their actions. I would like to personally thank them for their excellent work and I know that all of my colleagues of all political stripes, join me in thanking them.." NDP


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Human Rights Groups Charge NATO With War Crimes in Libya  - by Bill Van Auken

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jan2012/liby-j21.shtml

"There is strong evidence that NATO carried out warcrimes in its eight-month war for regime change in Libya, according to a report released Thursday by Middle East human rights groups. 'We have reason to think that there were some warcrimes perpetrated by NATO,' Raji Sourani, the head of the Palestinian Center for Human Rights told the British Independent newspaper.

The mission's report noted that the effort to determine the scale of these crimes was hindered by the 'apparent desire' among the anti- Gaddafi elements who have taken control 'to protect NATO, or avoid any direct or indirect criticism.'

The report concludes that the evidence of warcrimes in the military intervention for regime change in Libya 'necessitates' effective investigation including, where appropriate, THE PROSECUTION OF THOSE RESPONSIBLE.'

Would it be too much to expect, given that these warcrimes were at the least, presided over, if not orchestrated, by RCAF Lt. Gen. Charles 'The Butcher' Bouchard, NATO's Canadian Commander, that our parliamentary opposition, immediately call for further inquiries? Should there not be immediate responses from the opposition leadership? Is Mr Dewar, the Foreign Affairs critic in particular, going to maintain his obscene silence on a matter of such critical concern to Canadians?

paul.dewar@parl.gc.ca


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NATO's Grisly Crimes in Libya

http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2012/01/27/natos-grisly-crimes-in-libya/

"...The report exposes the human rights and democratic pretexts employed by the US, France, Britain, [Canada] and other NATO accomplices to carry out a colonial style war of conquest. It makes clear that UN Security Council Resolution 1973, imposing a 'no-fly zone' and arms embargo on Libya supposedly to protect civilians from repressive actions by Muammar Gaddafi, was in fact used to carry out a ruthless air war waged in coordination with 'rebel' forces on the ground.

The report on US-NATO war crimes is also a further indictment of the assortment of 'left' parties, intellectuals and academics who parroted the human rights pretexts of Washington and NATO and thus gave open or backhanded support to the invasion of Libya.."


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Paul Dewar is  away campaigning for the leadership, isn't he?   If so, he's conveniently ducking his "foreign critic" (aka cheerleader) responsibilities.

Should we even bother to write to him?

Mulcair, ditto.

 


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yes, just so they can't claim they didn't know. Send them this as well..

Blame NATO For the Mess in Libya  - by Ramzy Baroud

http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=17742

"...As for the accused, it is no other than the NTC, which itself was a NATO political construct aimed at leading the political transition in Libya to serve Western interests. It turned out that 'mission accomplished' in Libya was yet another hoax. The result is no less devastating than what transpired in Iraq.

The NATO war on Libya was commanded by a Canadian, Lt. Gen. Charles ['The Butcher'] Bouchard. Last June, Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird was quoted as saying that Libya should not be expected to go from 'Gaddafi to Thomas Jefferson'. He failed to elaborate on what kind of democracy NATO intended to achieve with its 9,600-strike mission.

To berate Libyans for failing to adhere to human rights is brazen hypocrisy, especially as many of NATO's victims are still not fully accounted for. The behaviour of militias, and the unrepresentative NTC are simply a continuation of the very violent legacy set forth by the very NATO countries that are demanding accountability, democracy and the rule of law."


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Canada Needs More Accurate Bombs, Says Head of Libyan Mission

http://www.canada.com/news/Canada+needs+more+accurate+bombs+says+head+Li...

"...Bouchard would not comment on the allegations of NATO-caused civilian casualties

'I'm aware of investigations into allegations of civilian casualties,' he said. 'There are allegations and I look forward to the conduct of these investigations and I look forward to the results.'..Bouchard warned military planners, politicians and the public against becoming too beholden by the success in Libya.."

'beholden'?

Canadian Commander in Libya Warns of Tough Transition

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/13/libya-canada-nato-comma...

"The Canadian commander of the NATO-led military mission in Libya says the West should lower expectations for full fledged democracy in that country. 'Our western standards must be tempered by the cultural and social experiences,' Bouchard said, adding he is aware of reports of torture in Libya. He stressed the country appears to be moving toward what he called a 'Libyan democracy'."

However, before Bouchard the butcher and NATO bombed it back into the stone age, and put their NTC proxy NATO-RATS in charge, the UN put Libya 54th on its Human Development Index, and in January 2011 noted that:

'Protection of human rights were guaranteed in the Libya Arab Jamahiriya; this included not only political rights, but also economic, social and cultural rights. The Libyan Arab Jamahiriya referred to its pioneering experience in the field of wealth distribution and labor rights.."

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/08/483836.html

 


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All you global legalists who want to put Bush or Bouchard on trial are living in some kind of totalitaian utopia. Why has so much  of the Left such deference for this ICC created by Western powers to serve their interests in Africa. To niavely accuse NATO of WAR CRIMES in Libya is to politically sanction the intervention  EXCEPT FOR the children killed. The ICC is a kangaroo court with no real legitamcy except in its name and its not even supported by the four largest powers. Now African pro-Western elites are using it in their interest (Ivory Coast and Kenya)


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Nobody here has deference for the ICC.

The ICC is a kangaroo court with no legitimacy mainly because scofflaw war criminals like Bouchard are immune to its jurisdiction. Putting Bouchard and the other NATO criminals on trial would be at least a start at levelling the playing field in international humanitarian and war law.

Besides, what better way to expose the illegitimacy and built-in bias of the ICC than to demonstrate that white, western war criminals are getting a free pass?


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Of course - a fixed game. And the ICC especially  is purely for official enemies not their own,  Butchers like Bouchard or Bush. However...

'a trial is never a binary operation that can be completely programmed like a computer. What you might call the 'Frankenstein syndrome' is ever present, especially in international affairs...'

international lawyer Jacques Verges on his 'Rupture' defence strategy


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So you both are global legalists after all, hoping for some totalitarian utopia (world government?) where the Bushes and Bouchards WILL BE put on trial (along with Kaddafi and the others). And the Clintons and Obamas and Blairs?  You've accepted the dream of William Pace, President of the World Federalists of the USA, who, with a coalition of NGO's, after the Western triumph in the Cold War, launched the idea of LEGAL, not POLITICAL, solutions to the problem of violence in the New World Order.


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What are you on about, anyway?

You don't think the ICC is above all else POLITICAL?

If I'm opposed to impunity for western war criminals does that make me a world federalist or a global legalist?

What do you think should be done with criminals like Bouchard? He's not going to face a Canadian court, so I guess you want him to go scot free. How does that solve the "problem of violence" in the New World Order?

And what innovative ideas do you have for making Canadians aware of the criminal role their military and political leaders play in foreign wars?


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no world federalist here.

no justice no peace


Rikardo
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Unlike the ICC, our domestic courts, judges and judicial system, however imperfect, do have essential democratic legitimacy. They are under the control of our democratic government, its executive and legislative bodies.

The UN Security Council and General Assembly, created largely by the USA
and other powers after WWII, are not a democratic world legislature or government.
Lacking a democratic legislature, the ICC is much more totalitarian than
democratic and its "justice" is selective to a degree that certainly no normal
jurisdiction would ever accept.  

The ardent founders of the ICC took much of their inspiration from the 1945/46 Nuremberg Tribunal, usually seen as a triumph of "justice", and a welcome precedent.
At the time this was far from the opinion of some observers. One was
Hannah Arendt; another, the award-winning journalist Paul Soriol writing in
the Devoir (Montreal) on October 1, 1946. Under the headline "A dangerous
jurisprudence for civilization" he recalls that the Allies' position of
"unconditional surrender/no impunity", announced in early 1943, prolonged WWII

into the deadly years of 1944/45 which saw the firebombing of German
and Japanese cities, their civilians and children and Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The Nuremburg and Japan tribunals are still seen by critics as "victors' justice".

The Libya war may prove to be a serious setback for R2P (Responsibility to Protect) so beloved by much of the "Humanitarian Left" but not by Margaret Wente (G&M)

This XXIth century neo-colonialism should remind us of XIXth century colonialism (White Man's Burden) which often used R2P (« Protectorates ») and often found elites ready to collaborate.

 

 

 


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There was no ICC when the USA pulled out of Vietnam.  Public pressure played a large role. It was "LBJ how many kids did you kill today?" NOT "LBJ to the World Court.¨

The highly-paid director of Amnesty International wants Canada to arrest George Bush.  This is ridiculous.  What about Clinton and Obama?


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UK Government Lies About Use of DU in Libya

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/230961.html

"...Do you think we will again use these WMDs on Syria and Iran? You bet.."


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Vijay Prashad wrote:

Ten days into the uprising in Benghazi, Libya, the United Nations’ Human Rights Council established the International Commission of Inquiry on Libya. The purpose of the Commission was to “investigate all alleged violations of international human rights law in Libya.” ...

On March 2, 2012, the Commission finally produced a two hundred-page document that was presented to the Human Rights Council in Geneva. Little fanfare greeted this report’s publication...

However, there were some factual problems. The Commission claimed that NATO flew 17,939 armed sorties in Libya. NATO says that it flew “24,200 sorties, including over 9,000 strike sorties.” What the gap between the two numbers might tell us is not explored in the report or in the press discussion subsequently. The Commission points out that NATO did strike several civilian areas (such as Majer, Bani Walid, Sirte, Surman, Souq al-Juma) as well as areas that NATO claims were “command and control nodes.” The Commission found no “evidence of such activity” in these “nodes.” NATO contested both the civilian deaths and the Commission’s doubts about these “nodes.” Because NATO would not fully cooperate with the Commission, the investigation was “unable to determine, for lack of sufficient information, whether these strikes were based on incorrect or outdated intelligence and, therefore, whether they were consistent with NATO’s objective to take all necessary precautions to avoid civilian casualties entirely.”

Three days after the report was released in the Human Rights Council, NATO’s chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen denied its anodyne conclusions regarding NATO.  And then, for added effect, Rasmussen said that he was pleased with the report’s finding that NATO “had conducted a highly precise campaign with a demonstrable determination to avoid civilian casualties.” There is no such clear finding. The report is far more circumspect, worrying about the lack of information to make any clear statement about NATO’s bombing runs. NATO had conducted its own inquiry, but did not turn over its report or raw data to the UN Commission.


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NATO 'Covers Up' Libyan Death Shame

http://rt.com/news/amnesty-strikes-civilians-deaths-887/

"NATO has failed to investigate scores of civilian deaths incurred during its seven-month military campaign in Libya, Amnesty International says. 'It is deeply disappointing that more than four months since the end of the military campaign, victims and relatives of those killed by NATO airstrikes remain in the dark about what happened and who was responsible,' said Donatella Rovera, the Senior Crisis Response Advisor at Amnesty International on Monday.

The Libyan Health Minister of the National Transitional Council estimated that 30,000 were killed during the conflict."


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War Crimes in Libya and the March Shift  - by Michael Collins

http://warisacrime.org/content/war-crimes-libya-and-march-shift

"...The full UN report is worthy of detailed review. It documents the assault on Libya from the organization that authorized that attack. 'Heads of States' can be held to account for these violations. Send the NATO leaders involved to the Hague and let them sort it out. If you do the crime, you do the time..."


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Canada Spent $25 M Bombing Gadhafi Forces

http://www.canada.com/news/Canada+spent+bombing+Gadhafi+forces/6480439/s...

"Canada spent $25 million on the roughly 700 bombs the Royal Canadian Air Force dropped on Libya during last year's rebel uprising that deposed dictator Moammar Gadhafi. Each bomb, the Department of National Defence told Post Media News, cost between $34,000 and $43,000.."

http://rt.com/news/nato-admits-civilian-deaths/

and the winners we helped bomb into power:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC778Fg1ZSE&feature=player=embedded


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NATO Must Investigate the Civilian Casualties of its Libyan Campaign - by David Mepham

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/14/nato-civilian-casual...

"At least 72 civilians, including 24 children, were killed by NATO airstrikes during the alliacen's military campaign in Libya last year. Human Rights Watch has issued a report based on extensive on-the-ground research and multiple visits to bombing sites where civilians died, in which no clear evidence of a legitimate military target was found.

NATO and the nations that participated in the air campaign - including [Canada and] the UK government have refused even to acknowledge these fatalities, to provide specific information on the military target or to conduct a field investigation into the incident. No compensation has been provided to any of the families of the dead and wounded.

The response would be disappointing in any circumstances, it is particularly indefensible when the stated purpose of the NATO campaign and the legal authority for the action under UN Security Council Resolution 1973, was to protect civilians. NATO's claim that it cannot investigate civilians casualties because it has no mandate to be in Libya is feeble and disingenuous."

 


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NDPP wrote:

NATO Must Investigate the Civilian Casualties of its Libyan Campaign - by David Mepham

Canada's L'oil Opizishin isn't interested in investigating the killing of civilians in Libya by Bouchard's luftwaffe.

They're much more interested in how much all that killing cost the poor overburdened taxpayers of Canada.


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@ M. Spector

'L'oil Opizishin' is fab! The no difference party is not only immoral and depraved, for their total disregard for the aftermath of their unanimous vote for imperial war and plunder in Libya - but stupid politicians as well. Here is a perfect opportunity to pretend concern for the NATO casualties they helped cause, salvage their bs 'good-guys' cred with gullible Canucklheads, and lambaste the Cons for the bloodthirsty warmongers they are. And reinforce the bogus set-up by Human Rights Watch of these ridiculously under-estimated bombing deaths.

 


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When Protector Turned Killer  - by Vijay Prashad

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31550.htm

"NATO has consistently blocked any attempt to scrutinise the warcrimes it commited during the 'humanitarian intevention' in Libya. Back in January Faiz Fathi Jfara of Bani Walid asked a simple question, 'I just need an answer from NATO: why did you destroy my home and kill my family?' NATO refuses to answer..."


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Remember Sirte! Heroism and Apocalypse in the Libyan Desert  -  by Thomas Mountain

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/10/02/heroism-and-apocalypse-in-the-lib...

"The month of October 2011 stands as an historical monument to heroism and apocalypse in the Libyan desert as the people of Sirte, hometown to Col Gaddafi, staged a desperate, doomed fight to protect their families and homes from the might of NATO and its allied bands of Libyan rebels..."

do our mps have no curiosity let alone regrets as to what they helped do to Libya? And are they really ready to do the same again in Syria or Iran?


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'War Crimes': Gaddafi, HIs Son and Over 60 Loyalists Executed by Rebel Fighters - HRW

http://rt.com/news/libya-gaddafi-execution-hrw-608/

"LIbyan rebels abused and mass murdered Col Gaddafi, his son Mutassim, and 60 loyalists, after their capture a year ago, Human Rights Watch says. It calls for an investigation and prosecution of those responsible for what they slam as a 'war crime'..."


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