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Well, someone has to stop them from [committing genocide against their own people]/[harbouring terrorists who will attack our cities]/[stockpiling Weapons of Mass Destruction] - don't we???
It's Tony Blair style leftist internationalism that really should be avoided, whereas the antique stuff continues to work just fine in these instances at least.
Tony Blair Style internationalism is imperialism!
howeird: you're dead wrong. It's not an antique mindset of the left. Look at Libya. The NATO attacks their left an al-Qaeda flag flying over a courthouse and that's the least of it. Serious violations of the laws of war by the "democratic" NTC including rascist attacks on Black Africans. Sure Ghadaffi had to go, and yes he committed war crimes to, but the idea that this NTC are the democrats is very far from proven. Of course having John Baird tell Canadian companies to get ready to go into Libya doesn't exactly help the R2P narrative either!
Go ask a Iranian exile or those within it who are anti-Islamic Republic. They want the west to stay the fuck out. They would like Iran to have more open contacts with the West after the Islamic Republic falls, but do not trust the US in helping to liberate it. Any Iranian socialist is both anti-Islamic Republic and anti-NATO intervention. Thinking that the West has a responsibility to go into or even just bomb Iran is outrageous. No Iranians of any persuasion want to see that.
To think that any of the "humanitarian interventions" of the last 20 years have been motivated by principle is drinking the kool-aid. That flavour has been around a while, I hear they are releasing a new flavour called "health care funding is unsustainable."
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Next it'll be North Korea.
Chinese capital will get to it first, unless you think the PRC is still a healthy workers state that is merely developing its productive forces in order to construct the preliminary state of socialism, then it will be non-exploitive trade between two healthy People's Democracies.
I feel the invasion of Iran would probably spiral out of control until it spelled the end of life on earth, just to be clear.
I don't see that, although there's alot of christian belief "it's all going to end in the ME" (not saying I think you're coming from that perspective, btw).
It sure will be the end of life on earth for alot of Iranians though. The U.S. and its' allies *cough*Israel*cough* have been itching to get a crack at Iran for awhile now, remember the foiled Saudi ambassador assasination plot?
For an entire WEEK it was breaking news on all the news outlets, with U.S. officials making very serious toned announcements, and alot of people at that time thought this was IT!! WAR!! Then, when it slowly came out it was all BS the story just faded away.
So the U.S. has gone back to the basics I guess. U.N. inspections. Worked with Iraq, and eventually it'll work on Iran. Preventing Iran from selling its' oil is an act of war, and eventually hotter heads will prevail.
Top it all off with this being an election year for Obomber and I predict full blown war by June.
One might even be cynical enough to say the sole reason Obama got the troops out of Iraq was to get them out of harms way, because he knows what's coming.
Chinese capital will get to it first, unless you think the PRC is still a healthy workers state that is merely developing its productive forces in order to construct the preliminary state of socialism, then it will be non-exploitive trade between two healthy People's Democracies.
The world has been enduring constant states of military and economic warfare for the last 80 years. North Korea is being forced down the capital road like Vietnam and Cambodia and so on since the 1990s.
The PRC is merely playing the game and playing it fairly well against the west.
The only ideal conditions for peace time economic ideology to work have existed here in North America for the last 100 years or so. We have not been held back by old world imperialism up to 1950, like China and Korea were. We have not had world wars fought on our doorsteps, like Asian and European countries have. We should be in great shape economically but sadly, it's not the case. The problem here in the west is one of deap seated corruption the kind that the PRC has warned Chinese people of so often in government films and literature. No nation can survive corruption from within, and a good deal of the rest of the world have merely reacted to what's been happening in the west.
Asian countries were once the largest economies in the world. They will be again. You can't be a proper imperialist superpower without having the largest and most influential economy in the world. This is what's been bothering our cold warriors here in the west for a long time. That dreadful day has come as far as they are concerned.
Next it'll be North Korea.
Well, someone has to stop them from [committing genocide against their own people]/[harbouring terrorists who will attack our cities]/[stockpiling Weapons of Mass Destruction] - don't we???
No, all we need is some federal judge to "find" that North Korea was "among those liable" for 9/11, and that's all the excuse we need.
Tony Blair Style internationalism is imperialism!
howeird: you're dead wrong. It's not an antique mindset of the left. Look at Libya. The NATO attacks their left an al-Qaeda flag flying over a courthouse and that's the least of it. Serious violations of the laws of war by the "democratic" NTC including rascist attacks on Black Africans. Sure Ghadaffi had to go, and yes he committed war crimes to, but the idea that this NTC are the democrats is very far from proven. Of course having John Baird tell Canadian companies to get ready to go into Libya doesn't exactly help the R2P narrative either!
Go ask a Iranian exile or those within it who are anti-Islamic Republic. They want the west to stay the fuck out. They would like Iran to have more open contacts with the West after the Islamic Republic falls, but do not trust the US in helping to liberate it. Any Iranian socialist is both anti-Islamic Republic and anti-NATO intervention. Thinking that the West has a responsibility to go into or even just bomb Iran is outrageous. No Iranians of any persuasion want to see that.
To think that any of the "humanitarian interventions" of the last 20 years have been motivated by principle is drinking the kool-aid. That flavour has been around a while, I hear they are releasing a new flavour called "health care funding is unsustainable."
Chinese capital will get to it first, unless you think the PRC is still a healthy workers state that is merely developing its productive forces in order to construct the preliminary state of socialism, then it will be non-exploitive trade between two healthy People's Democracies.
I don't see that, although there's alot of christian belief "it's all going to end in the ME" (not saying I think you're coming from that perspective, btw).
It sure will be the end of life on earth for alot of Iranians though. The U.S. and its' allies *cough*Israel*cough* have been itching to get a crack at Iran for awhile now, remember the foiled Saudi ambassador assasination plot?
For an entire WEEK it was breaking news on all the news outlets, with U.S. officials making very serious toned announcements, and alot of people at that time thought this was IT!! WAR!! Then, when it slowly came out it was all BS the story just faded away.
So the U.S. has gone back to the basics I guess. U.N. inspections. Worked with Iraq, and eventually it'll work on Iran. Preventing Iran from selling its' oil is an act of war, and eventually hotter heads will prevail.
Top it all off with this being an election year for Obomber and I predict full blown war by June.
One might even be cynical enough to say the sole reason Obama got the troops out of Iraq was to get them out of harms way, because he knows what's coming.
The world has been enduring constant states of military and economic warfare for the last 80 years. North Korea is being forced down the capital road like Vietnam and Cambodia and so on since the 1990s.
The PRC is merely playing the game and playing it fairly well against the west.
The only ideal conditions for peace time economic ideology to work have existed here in North America for the last 100 years or so. We have not been held back by old world imperialism up to 1950, like China and Korea were. We have not had world wars fought on our doorsteps, like Asian and European countries have. We should be in great shape economically but sadly, it's not the case. The problem here in the west is one of deap seated corruption the kind that the PRC has warned Chinese people of so often in government films and literature. No nation can survive corruption from within, and a good deal of the rest of the world have merely reacted to what's been happening in the west.
Asian countries were once the largest economies in the world. They will be again. You can't be a proper imperialist superpower without having the largest and most influential economy in the world. This is what's been bothering our cold warriors here in the west for a long time. That dreadful day has come as far as they are concerned.