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Atheists: the most distrusted minority in USA - II
BETHLEHEM - Following a broomstick brawl between priests of the Greek Orthodox and Armenian Apostolic Churches in the Church of the Nativity, the two churches, at odds since their falling out over the definition of Christ's nature at the Council of Chalcedon in 451, have agreed to decide the theological question once and for all in a game of Monastic Quidditch here in Bethlehem.
"We'll show those stinking Monophysites," said Greek team captain Nikodimos Apollonarios. "Christ has two natures and we're going to beat you by two points!"
"We are not Monophysites!" said Armenian captain Aghexandr Lylozian, "and we're going to beat the Chalcedon out of you heretics."
"Is that really the way Christians are supposed to speak to one another?" asked your intrepid editor.
"We have a dispensation from our bishop," said Lylozian. "Talking Quidditch smack is allowed under ekonomia."
That's as interesting as it is terrifying. Just a bit more evidence that many so-called literalists aren't really interested in following what they say is the word of god.
Also, I see some problems. I know the Shocken translation of the Books of Moses points out that the god in those books was neither male nor female, so their whole patriarchal image is based on a mistranslation.
As well, this reminds me of Jim Wallis's exercise of taking all the references to poverty (the thing Jesus apparently spoke of more than anything else) out of the bible. He found over 3,000 references.
As well, this reminds me of Jim Wallis's exercise of taking all the references to poverty (the thing Jesus apparently spoke of more than anything else) out of the bible. He found over 3,000 references.
lol! It's obvious to me only now that Jesus was an ordinary conservative who advocated on behalf of the rich and powerful. If he were alive today, the wretched poor would be jealous, steal his fine robes, and crucify him all over again. And then they would describe his teachings as those of some kind of socialist. It's all a pack of lies, really.
Great story, jan - thanks for the find! Some excerpts:
Quote:
Rene Chouinard and his wife — atheists from Grimsby, Ont. — are awaiting a human rights hearing expected in March on their complaint against the Niagara school board.
After the parents of three complained, the board changed its policy to allow other religious groups to distribute material as well, but refused to allow him to hand out “non-belief” writings, he said.
[my emphasis]
So all he has to do is declare atheism as his "faith", and he'll be able to enjoy his freedom of speech and conscience à l'Ontario!? Cool!
And my favourite:
Quote:
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty has washed his hands of the issue, saying it's up to trustees to come up with their own solutions.
So all he has to do is declare atheism as his "faith", and he'll be able to enjoy his freedom of speech and conscience à l'Ontario!? Cool!
No...not cool. Pity we don't have an inquisition to get to the bottom of such heresies and to excommunicate people found guilty of describing atheism as a faith.
Hmm. Remember the case a month or so ago up north involving bibles being handed out in schools?
I believe this would be a case in which challenging that is not complicated by an infringement on Native culture.
But again, this is extremely common.I am sure no political party would ever touch it because of the possible backlash, but it would be nice if these infringements could be worked into a legal challenge.
well Smith I don't think this would be an infringement on Native culture. Secular doesn't mean an absence of religion but just not giving dominance of one. Thus in the secular school system, kids at different grade levels learn about different religions, their beliefs, customs and so on, and it includes First Nation spiritual beliefs. Thus, as long as it is within the curriculum it is okay. The distribution of religious materials is about non-instructural materials that are provided by a said organization and wanting to use the "scarce" resources of a school system as the distribution point.
So who polices the content to ensure that the non-instructional materials do not preach the charter of rights and freedoms, and in Ontario, the human rights code. Who gets to interrupt? And is this the business of education?
Sineed:
Meanwhile: Council of Chalcedon to Be Re-fought on Bethlehem Quidditch Pitch
excerpt:
BETHLEHEM - Following a broomstick brawl between priests of the Greek Orthodox and Armenian Apostolic Churches in the Church of the Nativity, the two churches, at odds since their falling out over the definition of Christ's nature at the Council of Chalcedon in 451, have agreed to decide the theological question once and for all in a game of Monastic Quidditch here in Bethlehem.
"We'll show those stinking Monophysites," said Greek team captain Nikodimos Apollonarios. "Christ has two natures and we're going to beat you by two points!"
"We are not Monophysites!" said Armenian captain Aghexandr Lylozian, "and we're going to beat the Chalcedon out of you heretics."
"Is that really the way Christians are supposed to speak to one another?" asked your intrepid editor.
"We have a dispensation from our bishop," said Lylozian. "Talking Quidditch smack is allowed under ekonomia."
Nope, Santa copped a plea - part of the deal is doing community service once a year.
I'm not sure if I am or not.
The newest Bible translation:
(sent by a FB friend)
@ Sineed
That's as interesting as it is terrifying. Just a bit more evidence that many so-called literalists aren't really interested in following what they say is the word of god.
Also, I see some problems. I know the Shocken translation of the Books of Moses points out that the god in those books was neither male nor female, so their whole patriarchal image is based on a mistranslation.
As well, this reminds me of Jim Wallis's exercise of taking all the references to poverty (the thing Jesus apparently spoke of more than anything else) out of the bible. He found over 3,000 references.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Wallis
(lest anyone think all evangelicals are on the right wing)
And Thomas Jefferson's de-magicked bible.
And speaking of playing fast and loose with the rules:
http://www.memecenter.com/fun/25391/sometimes-thats-why-we-get-sick
(edit)
And something else that could probably use its own thread - Harper's new office of religious freedom:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/baird-defends-office-of-rel...
Well that's strange. Because according to Al Franken and Don Simpson, Jesus was a conservative.
Now I'm really confused.
Long hair, sandals, peasant robe, beatific smile - naw, he's gotta be a hippy liberal, and probably on drugs. Peace, man.
You must mean Republican Jesus™ , Fidel
oh my god!!!
lol! It's obvious to me only now that Jesus was an ordinary conservative who advocated on behalf of the rich and powerful. If he were alive today, the wretched poor would be jealous, steal his fine robes, and crucify him all over again. And then they would describe his teachings as those of some kind of socialist. It's all a pack of lies, really.
missed this wee article on Dec 29th - heating up in school boards again!
Handout of Gideon Bibles in public schools ignites passions over traditionGreat story, jan - thanks for the find! Some excerpts:
So all he has to do is declare atheism as his "faith", and he'll be able to enjoy his freedom of speech and conscience à l'Ontario!? Cool!
And my favourite:
Love it!
No...not cool. Pity we don't have an inquisition to get to the bottom of such heresies and to excommunicate people found guilty of describing atheism as a faith.
Hmm. Remember the case a month or so ago up north involving bibles being handed out in schools?
I believe this would be a case in which challenging that is not complicated by an infringement on Native culture.
But again, this is extremely common.I am sure no political party would ever touch it because of the possible backlash, but it would be nice if these infringements could be worked into a legal challenge.
well Smith I don't think this would be an infringement on Native culture. Secular doesn't mean an absence of religion but just not giving dominance of one. Thus in the secular school system, kids at different grade levels learn about different religions, their beliefs, customs and so on, and it includes First Nation spiritual beliefs. Thus, as long as it is within the curriculum it is okay. The distribution of religious materials is about non-instructural materials that are provided by a said organization and wanting to use the "scarce" resources of a school system as the distribution point.
So who polices the content to ensure that the non-instructional materials do not preach the charter of rights and freedoms, and in Ontario, the human rights code. Who gets to interrupt? And is this the business of education?
Closing for length.