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Indefinite detention without trial enshrined in US law
December 15, 2011 - 3:34pm
"By signing this defense spending bill, President Obama will go down in history as the president who enshrined indefinite detention without trial in U.S. law." -- Kenneth Roth, president of Human Rights Watch
"We're talking about American citizens who can be taken from the United States and sent to a camp at Guantánamo Bay and held indefinitely. It puts every single American citizen at risk."--Ron Paul
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/15/americans-face-guantanamo-detention-obama?newsfeed=true
Well, he promised to close Guantanamo... By opening it to all, isn't that a kind of abolishment? Just want to ensure Obama gets a fair shake here.
Americans must rebel in the streets if they want change.
Viva la revolucion!
Indefinite Detention: 'Architecture Of A Fascist State' (and vid)
http://rt.com/news/battlefield-america-veto-theater-857/
"Terror suspects in American could be held in prison indefinitely - without charge or trial. The military will be able to take custody of alleged terrorists virtually without question. Radio show host Ralph Schoenman says that under the new law the US military will be entitled to 'disappear' American citizens for offences that are never made public...This is the architecture of the fascist state..."
— Ralph Nader, a man widely reviled among the North American pseudoleft for having the nerve to think he would make a better president than Obomba.
Americans ignore the cause of 9/11 - Ralph Nader, advocate for 9/11 Truth
Your gratuitous thread drift is clearly intended to imply that Nader is a "9/11 truther". He is nothing of the sort. He is, rather, a rational and sensible person.
Unlike the so-called "truthers" that you admire so much, Nader does not say that 9/11 was an "inside job" or that the WTC collapses were "controlled demolitions". He wants nothing to do with those conspiracy theories. He says it is important to ask why the WTC and the Pentagon were the targets of terrorist attacks on 9/11, because it would tell Americans something about their governments' imperialist foreign policies. His concern with the 9/11 Commission in particular is that "things went wrong" on September 11 2001, but the Commission was not allowed to hold anybody accountable for those errors.
Nader says the Feds have lied constantly regarding 9/11. Not you, though. And that's where you and your personal god, Ralph Nader, part ways apparently. Nader supports 9/11 Truth and opposes Backwater mercenaries TubeYou
A timeless thread in American history:
A peoples that have arguably the gold plate version of enshrined protections of their civil liberties.
And a government that always finds other ways to single out citizens for 'speical treatment' anyway.
Usually it is done through organized 'extra-legal' means.
But from time to time it is done completely out in the open.
I have read no legal analysis of this. But I bet that the perpetrators know this will never survive constitutional challenges. But who cares? Put lots of citizens in jail for years, and terrorize the rest. How can we lose? What's not to like?
Repeating a dishonest caption on a YouTube video, written by some half-witted conspiracy theorist, does not make it so. If you watch the video, Nader supports holding a new commission of inquiry. That's it. He does not endorse the so-called "9/11 Truth" movement.
Unlike you and your co-"thinkers", he does not purport to prejudge what the outcome of such a commission of inquiry would be.
That person asked a direct question of Nader as to whether he supports a new investigation, and Nader plainly says that he does. Naders says he was there in the audience collecting signatures.
You can coincidence theorize the video all you like, but the audio track is quite clear. I see no obvious clues that it was faked or forged.
But just as 9/11 truthers have demanded, so does Nader believe a new investigation is in order. Why? Because he knows they lied their heads off. These are war criminals, Spector. And they've lied constantly. Sorry, but invisible armies of darkness and Elvis bin Laden were just a myth all along. At least half of the alleged hijackers are alive and well. Just as the phony war on terror continues ten years on, so is 9/11 an ongoing investigation in case you weren't aware. You might be surprised with how little proof they have of anything.
Yes, that's exactly what I was saying:
I've never noticed Nader stating categorically that he does not support the 9/11 Truth movement.
Ralph Nader Demands A "Real" 9/11 Investigation
Strangely similar to a truth movement we all know about ten years after the official cover-up, Nader also does not believe the official 9/11 Commission cover-up. That tells me that he has more in common with truthers than those who tend to support the war criminals version of 9/11, or even the CIA's own explanation for why 9/11 happened and specifically the imperialists' baloney concerning "blowback."
And come to think of it, some of the hand-picked bipartisan commissioners of the inquiry themselves have since stated that it was a cover-up from start to finish. Contrary to someone's offhand claim about it, there have been whistleblowers come forward.
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And according to your twisted logic, that's apparently enough to justify counting him among the "9/11 Truth movement" nitwits.
Nader has never accused the 9/11 Commission of a cover-up. He has said that they were denied access to a proper investigation, and their terms of inquiry were so circumscribed that they were not allowed to investigate why 9/11 happened, why the defence and security establishment failed to prevent it, and who was to blame.
Nader wants public officials held accountable for their failures on 9/11. The purveyors of 9/11 truthiness want public officials held accountable for their alleged successes on 9/11. There's a big difference.
What an odd thread! What does indefinite detention have to do with 9/11 truthers???
Oh, wait a sec...
ETA: While I'm at it - did you ever wonder how come they only ever identified 19 out of the 911 hijackers?? Eh? Huh?
It may be a big difference, but it's also an irrelevent one. Nader wants a real investigation of what happened that day; so do I; so do the "truthers". What about you, Spector? Yes to accountability and transparency or not?
If you're obsessed with nit-picking the motives of everyone who supports a good cause you will be remarkably successful at killing any movement to enact it. That's all you're likely to accomplish, however.
The Punk Patriot comments (YouTube)
When asked to comment on 9/11 Nader has stated that false flag terrorism is real and that there are examples from recent history.
None of the 1600+ engineers for 9/11 truth have concluded that it was an inside job.
You are misinformed and posting misleading comments as a result. You are no more credible than extremists expressing their opinions on the matter. You will find that few people care what you believe regarding 9/11. Facts and the law are different matters, though.
At least I know how to stay on topic.
...said he who freaked out in response to #5. Sorry, but Nader is not the compliant yes-man you thought he was. He's not been duped into believing the Oops! Elmer Fudd made them do it accidentally on purpose again theory of neocon foreign policy.
It's Sections 1031 and 1032 of the act that has everyone concerned.
You can read it in detal here. Note the definition of a covered person...
National Defense Authorization Act: Sections 1031 and 1032Naomi Wolf: NDAA - Congress Signed Its Own Arrest Warrants
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/275-42/9236-focus-naomi-wolf-nda...
"...The moment this bill becomes law, though Congress is accustomed, in a weak democracy, to being the ones who direct and control the military, the power roles will reverse. Congress will no longer be directing and in charge of the military: rather the military will be directing and in charge of individual Congressional leaders,
as well as in charge of everyone else - as any Parliamentarian in any society who has handed this power over to the military can attest..."
Keep in mind at all times that this was the bill of a Democratic, constitutional law professor, and Nobel peace laureate. Keep in mind also that not only was it a Dem bill but mostly Dems that voted for it. Nifty no?
The NDAA Is Our Mayan Moment - by Jonathan Turley
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/9240-the-ndaa-is-our-maya...
"For civil liberterians, the NDAA is our Mayan moment. 2012 is when the nation embraced authoritarian powers with little more than a pause between rounds of drinks.."
What's most shocking to me is how easily the detention provisions in the new bill have passed into law. Have people become that numb? Is "the movement" that paralyzed? Has Obama lulled people into inaction/inertia (notwithstanding the Occupy movement)? Is he that confident of re-election that he can once again spurn his base in favour of corporate/military interests? I guess I know the answers.
ACLU Statement - President Obama Signs Indefinite Detention Into Law
National Lawyers Guild statement - NLG condemns NDAA provisions on indefinite detention
OWS supporters arrested in NYC speaking out against NDAA
Obama Sued Over Indefinite Detention and Torture of Americans Act
http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-hedges-ndaa-sued-933/
"...I susect it passed because the corporations, seeing the unrest in the streets, knowing that things are about to get much worse, worrying that the Occupy movement will expand, do not trust the police to protect them,' concludes Chris Hedges. They want to be able to call in the Army. And now they can.."
Chris Hedges: Why I'm Suing Barack Obama
The CIA, NSA, and "Joint Chiefs of Staff" were created back in 1946-47 with the signing of the National Security Act. The republic was overthrown with that document signed behind closed doors.
The U.S.A. became a military dictatorship on July 26, 1947.
Gore Vidal on the cosmetic government in Washington.
Hedges: 'No Outcry Within Media' on NDAA (and vid)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYo2c2V0JLk&feature=player_embedded#!
Chris Hedges is one of the plaintiffs suing the Obama administration over the National Defence Authorization Act or NDAA
Indefinite Detention: Obamabot debates Thinking Person (YouTube)