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I thought the Steve Harper Government of... Canada was rubberstamped after their most recent visit to Washington? God don't they get anything done after standing in line all that time with the rest of the corporate lobbyists?
"...Khadr's lawyers submitted an application for prisoner transfer in the spring of 2011 but have yet to receive a response, Lawyer Brydie Bethell confirmed on January 11. Protests organized by Amnesty International and others are taking place in several Canadian cities this week, demanding the US close Guantanamo and release Khadr..."
"Convicted al-Qaida terrorist Omar Khadr is due to be returned to Canada any time now - something Ezra Levant is working to scotch. Ezra Levant wants Canada's National Parole Board to hold an open hearing into Khadr's case, and for Public Safety Minister Vic Toews to intervene to prevent the plea deal with the Americans from ever being acted upon...
Insists Levant: 'Letting in Omar Khadr is a full face-slap in the face to the Conservative base in Canada."
I've no idea why HuffPo allows the likes of Peter Worthington to appear on its pages, but I guess they'll take anybody these days.
Nevertheless, he did have something useful to say a while back about Omar Khadr:
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Ever since his capture while fighting with the Taliban, I've scolded away at those who use the "child soldier" excuse to absolve Khadr of blame for killing a U.S. soldier and critically wounding another. Even at age 15, Khadr knew what he was doing. In the past I've cited several Canadians who joined up at Khadr's age at the time, and fought wars on Canada's behalf.
Which entirely misses the point, because of course those "several Canadians" he refers to were not put on trial for trumped-up "war crimes" charges.
That wasn't the useful part i was talking about. This is:
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Where I part company with Ezra -- and the American government and judicial system -- is for punishing Omar Khadr for killing one American soldier and wounding another.
It should be remembered that he had gone to Afghanistan and was trained and serving with al Qaida and the Taliban before 9/11 happened, and before American troops invaded. What Khadr was doing when the Americans troops attacked the position he occupied, was fighting off an invading army. He was doing what any soldier or fighter would do when invaded by an outside, alien force.
To have charged Khadr with murder for fighting back against an invader seems an obvious abuse of law and power. As an enemy combatant, I see no problem in keeping him in custody, or out of circulation, until the war is over.
Wait a minute...did Worthington just refer to himself as an "enemy combatant"?
How can it be that there is such widespread empathy in America for the old and the sick and such revulsion at the idea of restraining them (even for their own good), and yet when it comes to actually torturing people considered to be “terrorists” — even before these people have had a trial — or people who have been jailed, even for non-violent crimes, many of the same people are happy to see them water-boarded, hung by the wrists from the ceiling with only their toes on the ground, placed for hours in stress positions, slammed against the wall, deprived of sleep for days on end, or in the case of common prisoners, placed in solitary, sometimes for months at a stretch, and shackled like slaves when removed from their cells?
It’s the same kind of moral disconnect that has people weeping and becoming outraged over the abuse of animals — for example the case of the Arizona pound that killed a badly injured cat brought in by a homeless man for treatment when it got caught in barbed wire — but then shrugging it off when they hear that another man in Arizona, picked up on a drunk driving charge, was placed in solitary and then left there, without trial or even access to a lawyer, for a year, or when they hear that a number of the so-called “terrorists” held at Guantanamo, sometimes for years, were captured and stolen away from their families in Afghanistan when they were just boys as young as 14!`
One of those boys, Omar Khadr, a Canadian citizen who was 15 when captured, has not only been held at Guantanamo for for over a decade now, but was tortured repeatedly as a child by his US military captors, and ultimately was forced, after a sham military “tribunal,” to choose between endless captivity at Guantanamo or an admission of “guilt” and an additional sentence of 8 years with one more served at Guantanamo and seven more in his native Canada (he chose the latter). His “crime”? He allegedly tossed a grenade at US troops who were entering a Taliban compound which they had already called in an airstrike on. As the US soldiers were checking out the bodies of the victims of that airstrike, and by some accounts, finishing off the wounded, boy-soldier Khadr, badly wounded himself, is alleged to have tossed a grenade that killed one US soldier. Note that had an American soldier done exactly the same thing under those circumstances he would almost certainly have won at least a Silver Star, and maybe a Medal of Honor, but because this boy was fighting with the Taliban, he was instead charged with murder.
With the current people in government, who pooh-pooh the power of the Judiciary (up to and including the Supreme Court of Canada), Khadr has little chance of being repatriated. In fact, he might be safer in a US prison, because if he does manage to return to Canada Harper's people might just strip him of his citizenship and deport him to Afghanistan or Pakistan...
In fact, he might be safer in a US prison, because if he does manage to return to Canada Harper's people might just strip him of his citizenship and deport him to Afghanistan or Pakistan...
That might be hard to do, seeing as he was born in Canada.
"A report this week in Montreal's La Presse stated that the 25-year-old-Toronto-born Khadr will be imprisoned at the vacant Millhaven immigration centre, derisively dubbed 'Guantanamo North'..."
So nice to know Human Rights Watch is keeping a watchful eye on things. They're not happy with the Guantanamo prosecutors making plea deals with the likes of Omar Khadr in order to move things along:
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In an interview with Fox News Andrea Prasow of Human Rights Watch said, "I don't think anyone thinks it's a great idea that we're prosecuting people who have been held for ten years, the evidence gets stale, witnesses are no longer available. So there's strong incentive to move these cases forward, wherever they are."
She further explained, "But it doesn't mean that it's the right outcome. If these people have committed serious crimes, they should get a sentence that's appropriate."
The decision for the transfer ultimately rests with Public Safety Minister Vic Toews. Toews’s spokesperson said Khadr’s file has “not come before the minister.”
“(C)ertainly no decision has been made on whether he might be transferred to Canada,” Michael Patton wrote in an email to the Star.
Saw this on the TorStar FB page just now: "A report in Montreal’s LaPresse stated that the 25-year-old Toronto-born Omar Khadr will be imprisoned at the vacant Millhaven immigration centre, derisively dubbed “Guantanamo North.”.. Link
Saw this on the TorStar FB page just now: "A report in Montreal’s LaPresse stated that the 25-year-old Toronto-born Omar Khadr will be imprisoned at the vacant Millhaven immigration centre, derisively dubbed “Guantanamo North.”.. Link
The United States wants the long-delayed transfer of Omar Khadr – the convicted al-Qaeda terrorist and murderer – to Canada to go ahead because it will serve as a model for sending others held at the Guantanamo Bay prison back home....
Some U.S. officials have been hinting for months that stalling by the Canadian government was holding up the transfer....
Mr. Khadr “continues to be held in limbo even though he has lived up to his part of the deal,” John Norris, his lawyer said Tuesday.... “Canada and the United States have had since October, 2010, to make the necessary arrangements.”...
“Your country doesn’t want him back,” an American official familiar with the case said months ago....
Under Canadian law, Mr. Khadr will be eligible for parole in July, 2013. By then he will have spent more than 40 per cent of his life in prison....
Mr. Panetta said sending Mr. Khadr back to Canada will be “an important step” because it will serve an example to other detainees. “We’ve got others there obviously we’d like to be able to move as well.”
Panetta didn't explain why the U.S. can't proceed to repatriate other Guantanamo detainees until after Khadr is sent home.
Yet another issue upon which to judge the performance of one's government, its loyal opposition and Canadian civil society. Dismal failures all in my view.
The office of Public Safety Minister Vic Toews is placing the blame for the "stalled" process to transfer convicted terrorist Omar Khadr home to Canada squarely on the United States.
Toews' office is disputing a New York Times report that pointed the finger at Ottawa over delays in Khadr's return.
The New York Timesreported Saturday that Khadr's "limbo status is the result of bureaucratic delays in processing his application to transfer, especially within the Canadian government."
U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta cannot sign the papers to transfer Khadr home to Canada, the Times reported, until Toews formally asks for his return, which he has not done.
"Khadr has applied to the Americans for transfer. The Americans have yet to approve that transfer," said Toews' spokesman, Michael Patton.
Patton said the transfer process begins on the Americans' side: Khadr applies to American authorities and, once his application is approved in the U.S., it is forwarded to the Correctional Service of Canada, which provides Toews with an "assessment." On the basis of that assessment, Toews approves or denies the application.
"The report that the U.S. is waiting for Canada to ask for Khadr's return is incorrect," he said. "He has applied to return. That application has not been approved by the Americans and no decision on bringing him back to serve the remainder of his sentence has been made."
During a visit to Ottawa on Tuesday, Panetta said negotiations are "continuing" and that he will sign the transfer papers when they cross his desk.
"I don't have a specific timeline for signing it," Panetta said. "But once those arrangements have been made, obviously we will approve the transfer to Canada."...
Once the Americans give approval for the transfer, Patton said, it will be up to Toews to exercise his ministerial discretion and decide whether Canada will let Khadr return to Canada.
So far, Patton said, Toews has never reviewed Khadr's file.
"There are no negotiations between Canada and the U.S. on this at this point," Patton said.
"A 'frustrated' Omar Khadr could be back in Canada by the end of May, with both Ottawa and Washington poised to approve his transfer from Guantanamo Bay...A source familiar with the file said US Secretary of Defence Leon Panetta was expected to sign off on the transfer within a week. 'It's on his desk, it's ready,' the source said Wednesday. 'The US has no concerns about Khadr.'
Khadr has been caught up in a bureaucratic 'Catch-22' since becoming eligible to leave the American prison on Cuba last October under terms of a plea agreement struck a year earlier..."
That CBC report is bullshit. It's only the US that is "poised" to approve the transfer; Canada is nowhere near ready to approve it, if at all. Vic Toews hasn't even looked at the file, and continues to talk as if the transfer is purely hypothetical.
And Panetta clearly says he's waiting for Ottawa to agree to the transfer before he signs off, and says negotiations are continuing.
"Public Safety Minister Vic Toews's office said it has receieved a completed application from Khadr to transfer to Canada from the US military detention centre in Cuba, and a decision will be made 'in accordance with Canadian law.'..
The Toronto-born Khadr pleaded guilty in 2010 to five charges brought before a controversial U.S. military tribunal, including killing Sgt. 1st Class Christopher Speer in Afghanistan in July 2002.
No mention in the on-line story or the CBC radio report I heard about the minor detail of his having been tortured prior to the confession. Strange too how the fact that he was a child soldier becomes an upbringing that adds to the complexity of the case.
The state media in Canada acts just like any other. About as unbiased as Press TV.
The state media in Canada acts just like any other. About as unbiased as Press TV.
Al Qaeda is a given according to lapdog newz media. Qaeda is the terror instrument of "militant Islam" which threatens Western civilization and our western Judeo-Christian moral values.
No one dares question "the American Inquisition" not even a few "investigative" news journalists still on corporate payrolls and with families and pensions to protect.
Everyone must comply including lapdog newz media, or the entire modern day Anglo-American inquisition and it's lies surrounding "Al-Qa'eda" would be toppled by the truth. Their lies and the state's lies are one and the same.
It is inconceivable to me that this government will accept Khadr's request.
I fervently hope I'm wrong. But with no one giving a shit any more (no party in the Commons, at any rate), what do they have to gain vs. the potential loss to their fascist reputation?
But maybe the NDP, the Liberals, the Bloc, and the Green are still busy putting the finishing touches on their eloquent demands for justice for Omar Khadr?
I thought the Steve Harper Government of... Canada was rubberstamped after their most recent visit to Washington? God don't they get anything done after standing in line all that time with the rest of the corporate lobbyists?
Khadr Still in Limbo 10 Years After Opening of Guantanamo
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/11/10/f-omar-khadr-returns-faq....
"...Khadr's lawyers submitted an application for prisoner transfer in the spring of 2011 but have yet to receive a response, Lawyer Brydie Bethell confirmed on January 11. Protests organized by Amnesty International and others are taking place in several Canadian cities this week, demanding the US close Guantanamo and release Khadr..."
Controversial Author Wants Omar Khadr Barred from Canada
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Controversial+author+wants+Omar+Khadr+b...
"Convicted al-Qaida terrorist Omar Khadr is due to be returned to Canada any time now - something Ezra Levant is working to scotch. Ezra Levant wants Canada's National Parole Board to hold an open hearing into Khadr's case, and for Public Safety Minister Vic Toews to intervene to prevent the plea deal with the Americans from ever being acted upon...
Insists Levant: 'Letting in Omar Khadr is a full face-slap in the face to the Conservative base in Canada."
I've no idea why HuffPo allows the likes of Peter Worthington to appear on its pages, but I guess they'll take anybody these days.
Nevertheless, he did have something useful to say a while back about Omar Khadr:
Which entirely misses the point, because of course those "several Canadians" he refers to were not put on trial for trumped-up "war crimes" charges.
That wasn't the useful part i was talking about. This is:
Wait a minute...did Worthington just refer to himself as an "enemy combatant"?
I've always considered him that. Most MSM are...
America's great moral disconnect
- the racist animus towards Omar Khadr in this country has been malevolent and horrifying. He has been virtually abandoned.
With the current people in government, who pooh-pooh the power of the Judiciary (up to and including the Supreme Court of Canada), Khadr has little chance of being repatriated. In fact, he might be safer in a US prison, because if he does manage to return to Canada Harper's people might just strip him of his citizenship and deport him to Afghanistan or Pakistan...
That might be hard to do, seeing as he was born in Canada.
Indeed. My latest egregious mistake.
Is Omar Khadr Headed to Canada's 'Guantanamo North'?
http://www.thestar.com/specialsections/omarkhadr/article/1138757--is-oma...
"A report this week in Montreal's La Presse stated that the 25-year-old-Toronto-born Khadr will be imprisoned at the vacant Millhaven immigration centre, derisively dubbed 'Guantanamo North'..."
So nice to know Human Rights Watch is keeping a watchful eye on things. They're not happy with the Guantanamo prosecutors making plea deals with the likes of Omar Khadr in order to move things along:
Faux News
- from that Star link NDPP posted
Saw this on the TorStar FB page just now: "A report in Montreal’s LaPresse stated that the 25-year-old Toronto-born Omar Khadr will be imprisoned at the vacant Millhaven immigration centre, derisively dubbed “Guantanamo North.”.. Link
look up, look way up...#41
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U.S. presses for Omar Khadr’s long-delayed transfer to Canada
March 27, 2012
Panetta didn't explain why the U.S. can't proceed to repatriate other Guantanamo detainees until after Khadr is sent home.
Khadr donated 40% of his life to being a bogeyman for the sake of upholding a myth.
Yet another issue upon which to judge the performance of one's government, its loyal opposition and Canadian civil society. Dismal failures all in my view.
Each side is passing the buck to the other.
The NDP told them to negotiate Khadr's return, like all those other democratic western countries did for their nationals held at Gitmo.
Like the NDP told them in Ottawa to defend Maher Arar who was wrongly accused of being Al-CIA'da.
What did you want the NDP to do at the time besides stand on their heads?
That was then, this is now..
US, Canada Poised To OK Omar Khadr Transfer
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/03/28/omar-khadr-transf...
"A 'frustrated' Omar Khadr could be back in Canada by the end of May, with both Ottawa and Washington poised to approve his transfer from Guantanamo Bay...A source familiar with the file said US Secretary of Defence Leon Panetta was expected to sign off on the transfer within a week. 'It's on his desk, it's ready,' the source said Wednesday. 'The US has no concerns about Khadr.'
Khadr has been caught up in a bureaucratic 'Catch-22' since becoming eligible to leave the American prison on Cuba last October under terms of a plea agreement struck a year earlier..."
That CBC report is bullshit. It's only the US that is "poised" to approve the transfer; Canada is nowhere near ready to approve it, if at all. Vic Toews hasn't even looked at the file, and continues to talk as if the transfer is purely hypothetical.
And Panetta clearly says he's waiting for Ottawa to agree to the transfer before he signs off, and says negotiations are continuing.
In other words, absolutely nothing has changed.
It's national news in any case of the CBC's mendacity - let us see if and when the Tom Mulcair NDP sees fit to mention the issue...
Omar Khadr Transfer Request in Ottawa's Hands
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/04/18/pol-omar-khadr-transfer-r...
"Public Safety Minister Vic Toews's office said it has receieved a completed application from Khadr to transfer to Canada from the US military detention centre in Cuba, and a decision will be made 'in accordance with Canadian law.'..
No mention in the on-line story or the CBC radio report I heard about the minor detail of his having been tortured prior to the confession. Strange too how the fact that he was a child soldier becomes an upbringing that adds to the complexity of the case.
The state media in Canada acts just like any other. About as unbiased as Press TV.
Al Qaeda is a given according to lapdog newz media. Qaeda is the terror instrument of "militant Islam" which threatens Western civilization and our western Judeo-Christian moral values.
No one dares question "the American Inquisition" not even a few "investigative" news journalists still on corporate payrolls and with families and pensions to protect.
Everyone must comply including lapdog newz media, or the entire modern day Anglo-American inquisition and it's lies surrounding "Al-Qa'eda" would be toppled by the truth. Their lies and the state's lies are one and the same.
It is inconceivable to me that this government will accept Khadr's request.
I fervently hope I'm wrong. But with no one giving a shit any more (no party in the Commons, at any rate), what do they have to gain vs. the potential loss to their fascist reputation?
But maybe the NDP, the Liberals, the Bloc, and the Green are still busy putting the finishing touches on their eloquent demands for justice for Omar Khadr?
Some other people are already on it:
http://jdlcanada.wordpress.com/2012/04/18/please-sign-the-petition-stop-...