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Howard
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OnTheLeft wrote:

Howard wrote:

By redirecting the funds to building Navy warships like Layton did. By the way, Layton didn't say the F-35s should be built, just that they didn't need to be built/purchased until 2016 (when your hypothetical NDP government would be in power).
"Hypothetical" or not, I think that is the goal for the majority on this board. Regardless:
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The Canadian military should concentrate on peacekeeping and not making war, NDP Leader Jack Layton said Friday. And he said that means scrapping the $16-billion F-35 jet fighters deal along greater attention to Canada's naval needs. "The New Democrats' defence priorities will focus our military resource on ... defending and protecting Canadians, assisting people when disaster strikes at home or abroad and providing support for peacekeeping and peace building around the world," he said. "This defence plan starts with making Canada's joint support ships a procurement priority, not fighter jets," he said. "For five years Stephen Harper has failed to produce the ships we need to patrol the world's longest shoreline. Canada's supply ships have reached the end of their operation lives. Instead of focusing on F-35 fighter jets, I'll get the job done when it comes to building joint support ships for our naval forces," he said.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/971625
Layton was as careful to say he would cancel the deal as he was to he was to say that he didn't oppose buying F-35s just not now- the priority should be on warships- because the planes don't need to be replaced until 2016. The only other thing Layton said is that the NDP wanted a review of Canada's Defence Policy when asked point blank at a campaign event by a woman with a son in the Air Force whether or not Layton planned to purchase F-35s at that later date and especially given that they were what the Canadian Forces had determined to be "the best" replacement..
OnTheLeft wrote:
Howard wrote:
Layton was careful to never call for the raising of corporate tax rates, just the cancellation of planned reductions to the corporate tax rate.
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2.5 Setting the Corporate Tax Rate at Below the USA 's  
  • We will keep Canada's corporate tax rate competitive by

ensuring that our combined federal/provincial Corporate

Income Tax rate is always below the United States' federal

corporate tax rate.

 

http://xfer.ndp.ca/2011/2011-Platform/NDP-2011-Platform-En.pdf

 

The US corporate tax rate in 2011 was 35%, so boosting our corporate tax rate from 16.5% to approximately 34% would be a very substantial and significant start.

You are making the same mistake as Topp but unlike him, I assume you are doing it honestly. The figure of 35% is an average for the combined state and federal corporate tax rate for the United States. In Canada, the combined provincial and federal corporate tax rates will drop to an average of about 34% after the corporate tax reductions the Conservatives are bringing in in the next federal budget.

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Howard wrote:
The NDP position, if I am not mistaken, has been decriminalisation, which basically means the drug gangs can sell to a larger market because their customers don't have to worry as much about getting arrested/having their reputations ruined by legal troubles. Same goes for small level possesion by dealers. Instead of jail time, people get fines, which like their traffic fines and parking tickets, they don't pay, backing up the court system. I don't know if the NDP position was even included in the 2011 platform. Anyone else know the details?

Yes that is the NDP's position, however there is a very strong push from the grassroots for legalization, regulation and taxation, and I know that Libby Davies and quite a few others are sympathetic on this issue. Besides, I think if California moves ahead on this issue, not only will many other states follow, but Canadians will also want to get on board, in which they already are:

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As was the case two years ago, a majority of Canadians (53%) support the legalization of marijuana. People in British Columbia (61%), Alberta (59%) and Ontario (57%) hold the highest level of support for the legalization of cannabis.

http://www.angus-reid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/2010.04.15_Drugs_CAN.pdf

I agree with you that it would be great if the NDP would get on board with supporting legalisation. The policy could be as simple as getting Health Canada to delist marijuana so that the provinces could develop their own regulations. However, I have not heard any leadership candidate mention anything on marijuana and since at least the Halifax convention (2009), the NDP seems to run away from the question of marijuana policy as if it was some kind of contagious disease.


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NorthReport wrote:

http://thechronicleherald.ca/thenovascotian/52263-mp-s-defection-bad-sig...

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The NDP was always going to take a hit as the result of Layton’s untimely death. But that hit has been compounded by a leadership campaign that is increasingly at cross-purposes with Quebec’s centrist tradition and fluid mood. The first working day of the new year, for instance, found Brian Topp giving an interview on Radio-Canada’s Montreal drive-in show. [..] For many Quebecers — and St-Denis is one of them — that dream died with him.

Hebert's a right-winger who predicted the demise of the NDP in the last election, and generally spoke against Layton when he was alive.  So, we'd be best to ignore her inane pontifications now.  Other reports state that people in St-Denis' riding of Saint-Maurice - Champlain are quite upset with her move to the Liberals.


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Seems Hebert is only a right-winger when she writes something negative about the NDP...

dacckon
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I've never seen the star write anything positive about the NDP, its mostly negative. I was very shocked when they backed the NDP last election.


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wage zombie wrote:

 

 

I think the economy is fundamentally changing, and I don't see the NDP candidates offering much substance to address this.  I haven't read Topp's paper, maybe he talks about it.  Additionally, we seem to be caught between a rock and a hard place--there's a lot that we can't do with NAFTA in place, and it doesn't seem like anyone thinks we can really get out of it.

Frankly, I'd say policies like giving every school aged child a tablet computer (which would actually be pretty cheap to do) would go a lot further towards pointing things in the right direction than talking about our manufacturing base.

 

Yes the economy is changing and will never be the same as before. However, giving everyone a computer or even training everyone in the latest computer technologies is not THE solution either (although it may be part of it). If we cannot compete in manufacturing, do you expect that we can compete with computer programers and technologists in India earning $4-5,000 a year? Or for that matter in financial services, which resulted in a bloated industry in terms of both costs and employment levels while the boom lasted, or even in the legal profession, where much of the routine work is already farmed out by computers to countries like India at a small fraction of North American costs?

Only fields such as health care where the service has to be offered locally can avoid this globalization process. Many such services are government-run (health, police, fire, and education to some extent). Therefore we now see the attack on the public sector  as privileged workers. We need to focus on rebuilding the middle class by adding good paying jobs instead of always being on the defensive, fending off attacks on those who still have decent paying work.

China spent $221 billion in 2009 and is planning on spending $1.7 trillion in the next five years o

n green technologies. In 2009, the United States government allocated $2.3 billion in tax credits for green industries. Many of these are manufacturing industries.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/china-business/8904733/China-unveils-1-trillion-green-technology-programme.html

 

http://economyincrisis.org/content/us-neglecting-green-industries-its-own-expense                                                        


 We need to maintain a innovative manufacturing base that has a major green component because the resource, financial and professional sectors will not provide enough jobs to maintain a substantial middle class. We can start by refusing to sell the vast majority of our natural resources to foreign countries unless we also get manufacturing jobs here (the sale of raw logs abroad is a good example of what not to do). We also need to capture some of the growing green industries (even a small fraction will generate many jobs in a country with Canada's population). Both Britain and the United States have paid dearly for abandoning their industrial bases (look at the long depressed US Midwest and the British Midlands) in favour of banking computer-based economies whose bubbles have now burst. A diversified economy still is the best way of reducing the effects of economic fluctuations. 


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I re-read Hebert's article, Ken S, and she does not say anything about "centrism" until the last paragraph. There, she takes Topp to task for casting aspersions on Mulcair's loyalties, something Layton (obviously) never did. There is nothing about the NDP moving to the right in the piece.

I don't agree w/ Hebert on eveything.  This particular article was not one of her best; it was long on criticizing the NDP for "not being ready for prime time" and short on pointing out the inconcicentices inherent in LSD's decision. But Hebert does have a sense of where QCers are at, a far more accurate sense than (if I may say so w/out offending poeple) the Anglophones on this board who rely on various candidates own self-promotion.

And before anyone imitates Capstick's facile dismissal ("well, no QC pundit predicted that the NDP would win 59 seats in QC"), I would say again that Layton himself did not predict 59 seats, or he would not have allowed LSD to run in St. Maurice, or REB in Berthier.


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Who cares what a pundit is saying? They almost always miss the point. Voters don't think in left-right. They think in terms of who made their lives better, who kept their promises, who looked out for people like them, and who didn't. I doubt very many people even know that a seat just flipped hands. Those that do are either partisans who cheer blindly for their team, or the actual local voters, who are annoyed.

If you want to understand how things are going to pan out in 2015, you need a much more sophisticated analysis, or a hell of a lot more humility to look at long-term trends instead of weekly gossip.


Howard
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Can we stop talking about Hébert's column? It wasn't even that good. As for her political loyalties, she is a left-of-centre Québec liberal. If she prefers Mulcair, good for her.


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Howard wrote:
Can we stop talking about Hébert's column? It wasn't even that good. As for her political loyalties, she is a left-of-centre Québec liberal. If she prefers Mulcair, good for her.

Good idea. Let's talk about jobs again.

Manufacturing jobs are still important for a lot of reasons.

We still have a decent number of skilled workers in manufacturing areas, particularly in automotive. They have skill, and need jobs.

The world is always going to need people to manufacture *something*, whether it's cars, canned foods, or solar panels.

We need some manufacturing base just as a natural security concern. Do you really want to be reliant on a totalitarian nation like China to supply most of our machinery and equipment?

As Brian Topp pointed out eloquently, we have something worse than the "dutch disease", where oil exports are driving up our dollar and killing our manufacturing base. We're also doing that for other raw resources, like lumber and aluminum. Resource economies are extremely low skilled, low paying, and volatile. We need a value-added manufacturing economy where we actually use our own oil, lumber, and aluminum, instead of selling it at commodity prices.

I'm a member of the "creative class" myself, but the idea that we're all gonna be "knowledge workers" is just unrealistic and dangerous.


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http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Candidates+hold+debate+Montreal/5999...

 

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Talk of a cross-Canada plan to alleviate poverty and homelessness gave Mulcair pause and resulted in the only moment in which one candidate took a position different from the others.

The Sherbrooke Declaration advocates an “assymetrical” federalism in which the Quebec nation would have control over how it spends federal transfers. “The Sherbrooke Declaration speaks of straightforward transfer of funds with no conditions,” Mulcair said.




doofy
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Just watched the "telejournal" and they did not even mention this event!

Perhaps we should all write to Radio-Canada and complain...


KenS
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KenS wrote:

The news and the public imagination is captured by what happens with the manufacturing plants, the paper mills and the mines. You see that reflected in concerns expressed here.

But the structure of employment and economic activity is changing. Even within sectors, the shift is to work in smaller enterprises. Most people who pay any attention have heard that.

But it has not really sunk in.

This point got taken up primarily as manufacturing versus other sectors. [See post 35 and 39 for example.]

The point is giant businesses and mega-projects versus small and medium enterprises. The places of employment that count the jobs in the hundreds and thousands, even though we all know growth is in the small and medium enterprises.

And that is true of manufacturing also. It is not all auto plants and paper mills, or suppliers of those. And that is not where jobs and economic growth is. No one is advocating ignoring the auto plants, just calling attention to the fact that economic agendas cannot act as if auto plants and paper mills ARE the Canadian economy.

And that there is a flip side of that. Peggy Nash's agenda is easy to be catchy because it does fit into the popular assumptions. Brian Topp's agenda does not.

KenS wrote:
 

Not only is the economic growth in the small and medium sized enterprises. So too- even if maybe to a lesser degree- is the innovation and R&D. But who knows that? Who sees it? What exposure does it get?

More to the point: what does any of it have to do with Brain Topp's capital access proposals?

A lot actually. But I dont think the messaging strategy is to 'explain' that. At least, that is not what the messaging needs most and first.

If Brian can pull off making this idea connect, there are substantial 'bonus points' in populist appeal. The aspirations of entrpreneurs have broad appeal in the NDP's support universe. The mixed feelings about that common on this board are far from the norm.


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A piece in Friday's Globe Business Report poiints out that Quebec's jobless rate is suddenly soaring, pointing to the need for New Democrats to advance a solution to economic malaise. "It's almost as if the recession has cought up with Quebec. Economists are at a loss to explain why the province, which limped through the slump but didn't suffer the extent of job losses as elsewhere in Canada, is suddenly seeing deep cuts...While a single month of job losses could be dismissed as a statistical blip, three consecutive months of declines - from October to December at a cost of almost 70,000 positions - can't be...Its unemployment rate has risen to 8.7 per cent from 7.3 per cent in September, above the nationalaverage and the highest in more than two years... "A confluence of factors appear to be at play, from still-weak U.S.demand to the wind-up of government spending on infrastructure and global challenges slamming the provinces forestry and manufacturing sectors...some say a high cost of doing business is another key factor. Unit labour costs or the costs of producing here, with wages of $25 or $30 an hour, is not as viable for these businesses as it used to be, because of technology and emerging markets," said one economist. Still to come, federal government plans to cut "thousands of public sector jobs" in the Ottawa-Gatineau area. "Numbers so far suggest Quebec has stalled, not fallen into a recession. The province grew just 1.3 per cent in the third quarter of last year at an annualized rate, compared with an annual rate of 3.5 per cent for all of Canada...The weakness is centered in the private sector. Five months of head-count declines in the private sector amount to 103,000 positions, the worst drop ever, according to Stefane Marion, chief economist at National Bank of Canada."

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Reminder about two Mulcair events in Toronto this week:

   
Le message en français suivra

Thomas Mulcair is coming back to Toronto.

 

Join Tom Tuesday night at The 519 or join us after the Toronto-area leader's debate on Wednesday night at Duffy's Tavern.

 

The 519 Church Street Community Centre

 

DATE: This Tuesday, January 17th

TIME: 7:00pm

LOCATION: 519 Community Centre, 519 Church Street, Toronto, Ontario

(Refreshments will be provided)

 

Toronto-Area Leader's Debate

 

DATE: This Wednesday, January 18th

TIME: 7:00pm to 9:00pm

LOCATION: Bloor Collegiate Institute, 1141 Bloor Street West, Toronto, Ontario

 

Duffy's Tavern

 

DATE: This Wednesday, January 18th

TIME: 9:00pm

LOCATION: Duffy's Tavern, 1238 Bloor Street West, Toronto, Ontario


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jerrym wrote:

Yes the economy is changing and will never be the same as before. However, giving everyone a computer or even training everyone in the latest computer technologies is not THE solution either (although it may be part of it).

China spent $221 billion in 2009 and is planning on spending $1.7 trillion in the next five years on green technologies. In 2009, the United States government allocated $2.3 billion in tax credits for green industries. Many of these are manufacturing industries.

We need to maintain a innovative manufacturing base that has a major green component because the resource, financial and professional sectors will not provide enough jobs.... A diversified economy still is the best way of reducing the effects of economic fluctuations.

The question is how you encorage innovation and development.

And a good starting place is to recognize that the main action is not at the GMs, Fords, and GEs of the economy.... even all those have and use high tech and innovation. So stop tayloring government programs as if you are aiming at them.

Targeted innovation and R&D incentives are nice.

But from where I have sat at the lower reaches of the economy, those programs are notoriously unsuited to your business. And your main problem is being starved for capital. [For which second best freer access to loan financing is better than nothing, but is often a noose waiting to close on you later.]


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socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:

Voters don't think in left-right. They think in terms of who made their lives better, who kept their promises, who looked out for people like them, and who didn't.

I'd say most people view themselves as being "right" or "left" and about a quarter switch between the parties.

The parties main policy differences centre around their varying degrees of support of capitalism. Voters also have varying degrees of support for capitalism and vote accordingly.


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Why I am endorsing Paul Dewar: Charlie Angus

 

My name is Charlie Angus. For the last seven years I've proudly served my community as an MP for Timmins-James Bay in Northern Ontario. 

 

I got involved in politics because of Jack Layton. He shared with me his vision for a more caring Canada and asked me to help build that dream. 

 

It's been some months since our friend Jack passed, and, as New Democrats, we're asking ourselves how we can build on his work and our breakthrough last May. 

 

For me, the answer is clear. Paul Dewar connects with families and their priorities and is the best person to carry on Jack's work. 

 

He brings to the table the kind of ideas, energy and leadership that a majority of Canadians want from their government. 

 

This is a Real Majority that works hard to pay their taxes, send their kids to school and build a future for their family. They're people that want health care to be there for them, when they need it. They want education and job opportunities for young people. And they want to know our seniors are being looked after

 

The Real Majority includes those communities that are being ignored by the Harper Conservatives - like the people of Attawapiskat.

 

But the Real Majority isn't benefiting from Stephen Harper's majority government. Mr. Harper's priority has been tax breaks for banks and oil companies. As New Democrats, we know that's wrong.

 

Paul wants Canadians to believe again that their government can make a positive difference in their lives - that working together, we can find solutions to the problems families face

 

I share Paul's optimism and I know he can lead us there

 

Right now, Paul's reaching out to the grassroots of our party, in communities across the province - and he's building an incredible team. Just last week, respected environmentalist, lawyer and the only opposition MP in Alberta, Linda Duncan, joined our team. 

 

Now, I want you to be a part of it. Join Paul's team and speak up for the Real Majority.

It can't happen without you. 

 

Charlie Angus 

 

P.S. Read the op-ed Paul and I published today on how we're going to win the next 70 seats needed to form a Real Majority. Click here to read it now.


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Here's a statement worth debating on "joining" a party, and whether the NDP should advertise that it costs only $5 or $10 for any supporter to have a vote in our leadership race?

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“When it comes to political parties [people] want to date, not marry,” one delegate explained during the debate. Party officials hope that as many as a million Canadians will hook up with the Liberals to choose the next leader in the spring of 2013.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/john-ibbitson/liberals-take...

ottawaobserver wrote:

Actually, Wilf, if they did that, there would be a snarky story almost right away about how the NDP was giving it away, and *anyone* could join and that just de-legitimizes the NDP leadership race. Of course, when the Liberals give it away and pre-de-legitimize their own leadership race, the media laps it up, and pronounces the idea a genius one. No-one said life was fair, but I'm pretty sure the party doesn't do as you suggest for pretty much that exact reason.

So the Liberals aim to give it away to anyone who wants to sleep around.

Can the NDP match that?

You can hook up with the NDP for only $5 or $10?

In fact, you can. I know Greens who joined in order to vote for Jack Layton in 2003.

Are we too shy to say so?

Are New Democrats political wallflowers?

Should this promiscuous topic have its own thread?


Howard
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Wilf Day wrote:

Here's a statement worth debating on "joining" a party, and whether the NDP should advertise that it costs only $5 or $10 for any supporter to have a vote in our leadership race?

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“When it comes to political parties [people] want to date, not marry,” one delegate explained during the debate. Party officials hope that as many as a million Canadians will hook up with the Liberals to choose the next leader in the spring of 2013.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/john-ibbitson/liberals-take...

ottawaobserver wrote:

Actually, Wilf, if they did that, there would be a snarky story almost right away about how the NDP was giving it away, and *anyone* could join and that just de-legitimizes the NDP leadership race. Of course, when the Liberals give it away and pre-de-legitimize their own leadership race, the media laps it up, and pronounces the idea a genius one. No-one said life was fair, but I'm pretty sure the party doesn't do as you suggest for pretty much that exact reason.

So the Liberals aim to give it away to anyone who wants to sleep around.

Can the NDP match that?

You can hook up with the NDP for only $5 or $10?

In fact, you can. I know Greens who joined in order to vote for Jack Layton in 2003.

Are we too shy to say so?

Are New Democrats political wallflowers?

Should this promiscuous topic have its own thread?

I'm with oo. Anyone that does the research will find out how cheap an NDP membership is. The challenge is to get them interested, not to show how cheap a date the NDP is. I've used the it only costs $x argument before, but only after I know someone is interested (e.g. only ever votes NDP) and needs a poke to get off the fence.


Lou Arab
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We may be a cheap date, but you still have to *at least* buy us a drink first.


Howard
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Lou Arab wrote:

We may be a cheap date, but you still have to *at least* buy us a drink first.

You can buy a drink in Toronto for $5 Surprised


Boom Boom
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Maybe a draft beer. At the Brunswick.


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Charlie Angus wrote:
Paul Dewar connects with families and their priorities and is the best person to carry on Jack's work. 

 

He brings to the table the kind of ideas, energy and leadership that a majority of Canadians want from their government. 

 

This is a Real Majority that works hard to pay their taxes, send their kids to school and build a future for their family. They're people that want health care to be there for them, when they need it. They want education and job opportunities for young people. And they want to know our seniors are being looked after.

Wow, my opinion of Charlie Angus is taking a nosedive. It's not just empty rhetoric - it's wrong.

"Works hard to pay their taxes" is false. Taxes are deducted at source, unless he's talking about the middle-class self-employed (because the poor don't pay income tax). You get what's left over after taxes are deducted. Or is it sales tax and property tax (for the lucky young home-owners)?? Why is he talking about paying taxes at all??

Folks don't "work hard ... to send their kids to school". Tuition is free - unless he's talking about textbooks and other fees. But why not talk instead about the expense of raising kids in general? Such as child care, so that parents (i.e. primarily women) are freed from the home so they can go "work hard"??

As for "build a future for their family" - that's the empty rhetoric part.

And how does all this distinguish Paul Dewar from the other candidates? They don't "connect" with "families and their priorities" as well as Dewar? They won't be able to "carry on Jack's work" as well?

Pretty shameful stuff. Not worthy of Charlie Angus. Maybe worthy of Paul Dewar.

 


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Hot off the virtual presses, a piece from the Toronto Star on Romeo Saganash from his visit with their editorial board today.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1116528--ndp-leaders...

 


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According to this article, Mulcair intends, if he were to become prime minister, to keep the French citizenship he acquired by virtue of being the spouse of a French citizen.

Scandale! I'm outraged!

(Not.)

The same article provides the interesting anecdote that his wife once ran for the UMP in France (i.e., Sarkozy's party).


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Unionist wrote:

"Works hard to pay their taxes" is false. Taxes are deducted at source, unless he's talking about the middle-class self-employed (because the poor don't pay income tax). You get what's left over after taxes are deducted. Or is it sales tax and property tax (for the lucky young home-owners)?? Why is he talking about paying taxes at all??

Folks don't "work hard ... to send their kids to school". Tuition is free - unless he's talking about textbooks and other fees. But why not talk instead about the expense of raising kids in general? Such as child care, so that parents (i.e. primarily women) are freed from the home so they can go "work hard"??

Given that a very substantial portion of everyone's incomes goes to taxes, I think it's fair to say that people "work to pay their taxes". While I agree that paying taxes hardly motivates people to work hard, it's fair to say (or claim) that Canadians work hard at the their jobs, that they recognize the benefits that their taxes pay for, and that they consequently "work hard to pay their taxes". 

As for tuition costs, I can only assume that he was alluding to the crippling costs of attending post-secondary education. If you don't happen to live near the institution, then you have the choice of contributing to your children's post-secondary costs to the tune of about $15,000+/year or letting them graduate with a $50,000 debt (broad assumptions made, of course). When I attended university about 10-5 years ago, the vast majority - perhaps 80% - of my peers held part time jobs while attending, had familial financial support, and still graduated with substantial ($10,000+) student debt and no guarantee of a job upon graduation.

Having said that, I agree that Charlie's comments do nothing to distinguish Dewar from the pack. His comments have done nothing to address my concerns with a) Dewar's french, and b) his stiff and awkward performances in front of large audiences. 


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good write-up

 

northwestern_lad wrote:

Hot off the virtual presses, a piece from the Toronto Star on Romeo Saganash from his visit with their editorial board today.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1116528--ndp-leaders...

 

______________________________________________________________________________________ Our kids live together and play together in their communities, let's have them learn together too!


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Bärlüer wrote:

According to this article, Mulcair intends, if he were to become prime minister, to keep the French citizenship he acquired by virtue of being the spouse of a French citizen.

Scandale! I'm outraged

Cullen apparently is the only one who thought the matter worth commenting on, with suprisingly classy results:

Nathan Cullen wrote:
We allow those with dual citizenship to serve in our army, to sit as judges, and we don't question their loyalty. I know Tom well and I trust his belief and convictions. Anybody who stood up as strong as he did in Quebec in defence of Canada earns points with me.


KenS
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The only relevance the citizenship thing has in the NDP is whether the Cons could use it against Mulcair as Leader. Anything is possible. But that is well beyond the line of where we want to go. [And it would be a double edged sword if the Cons wanted to go there.]


JKR
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KenS wrote:

The only relevance the citizenship thing has in the NDP is whether the Cons could use it against Mulcair as Leader. Anything is possible. But that is well beyond the line of where we want to go. [And it would be a double edged sword if the Cons wanted to go there.]

Judging by their recent record, the Conservatives will likely use their financial advantage to frame the image of the Leader of the Opposition in the minds of Canadians by way of multi-million dollar tv advertising during the non-election period.

So which NDP leadership candidate can best deal with a malicious 24/7/365 Conservative media campaign?


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