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KenS
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If you think that leadership is mostly about policy preferences or inclinations, or about who presents the best... then check out this.


Unionist
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Ok, pro- and anti-Mulcair forces - here ya go - duke it out!

Martin in the Middle: of Mulcair and Moratoriums (2004)

 


NorthReport
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Humm...

Year: 2004

Position: Minister of the Environment for the PLQ

LOL


Gaian
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Unionist wrote:

Ok, pro- and anti-Mulcair forces - here ya go - duke it out!

Martin in the Middle: of Mulcair and Moratoriums (2004)

 

From the article dated June, 2004: "Although Mulcair appears to have backtracked on his statements, the water export debate could resurface in Quebec when its water preservation laws undergo review within the next two years." Any idea what happened in the review, two years later, just about the time Mulcair was leaving the ministry in protest? Providiing that information might even forego the need to "duke it out."And providing his position in 2012 would be even more edifying.

Howard
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As a bit of a distraction, how do babblers feel the NDP establishment has been handling the party's performance in the House of Commons recently?

The OLO got you fired up? How about the party: organizer of official leadership debate(s), leadership rules, interim leader's tour of Québec (did you hear about it?), fundraisers, ad campaigns (i.e. long gun registry, campaign against Lise St-Denis)?

All's well on the good ship lollipop?

Here's a quote from today:

Peter Julian wrote:
We come back from these five weeks in our ridings full of energy, united and ready to continue to fight to prevent Stephen Harper from ruining the society that Canadians have put so much effort into building 

Love, Hope, Optimism? "ruining the society"?

I'd be kind of offended if I had voted Conservative last time. In fact, I'm kind of offended on behalf of my friends and coworkers that did.


nicky
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It is getting harder to paint Mulcair as "anti-labour"

"An Open Letter to NDP Members from Labour Leaders"

http://www.yenihayatnews.com/news/?p=9104


ottawaobserver
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John Fryer is back to claiming he is a New Democrat, is he? After running twice for the Green Party in BC, being their Labour critic, and managing Elizabeth May's pre-election campaign in Saanich-Gulf Islands? I see that, just like her, he can't resist adding the "Order of Canada" designation to his signature block every time it appears in print.

Nicky, Mulcair's folks on this board routinely avoid answering what the true concern was about that Mulcair interview with Daniel Leblanc. His comments about Ken Neuman were needlessly provocative, and were self-aggrandizing at the expense of a brother-in-arms, something that was completely unnecessary, except for perhaps a perceived need to prove that he was not a puppet of labour or some such thing that only reinforced the mainstream media narrative about our party. It was tone-deaf to what he would need to do to win the leadership, and lead all of our party. That he has stopped saying such things, at least signifies to me that his campaign understands that was a mistake. Also, that it's over.

And, yes, yes, Mulcair has some endorsers with a history in the house of labour. Not very many current ones, and all men. The major endorsements from CEP, UFCW, the PSAC and other centrals will be coming out probably towards the end of January. We'll see then where things stand, but Peggy Nash just picked up most of the larger provincial labour centrals today. Topp has Steel (though not everywhere), Dewar has NUPGE and the Manitoba Fed and Ottawa District Labour Council, Nash has the CAW and CUPE I guess. I'd guess PSAC goes to Dewar, Peggy gets the UFCW, and Topp and Nash flip for CEP.

Now, if Mulcair could produce some (current) Quebec labour endorsements, that would be something. Especially from unions not involved in the constructions contract scandals. I'm waiting to be impressed.


CanadaApple
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I don't think I mentioned this before, but I got a call from someone working in the Cullen Camp. a few days ago. They were nice enough, they asked if I was supporting him in the Leadership Race and I said I hadn't really made up my mind yet. They said that was fair enough and reminded me to watch the next debate on Sunday.

Has anyone else gotten any calls from any of the Camps that they may or may not be supporting?

 


Polunatic2
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Now, if Mulcair could produce some (current) Quebec labour endorsements, that would be something. 

What might be even more interesting would be the Quebec labour endorsements going to other candidates. 


Gaian
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CanadaApple wrote:

I don't think I mentioned this before, but I got a call from someone working in the Cullen Camp. a few days ago. They were nice enough, they asked if I was supporting him in the Leadership Race and I said I hadn't really made up my mind yet. They said that was fair enough and reminded me to watch the next debate on Sunday.

Has anyone else gotten any calls from any of the Camps that they may or may not be supporting?

 

Yes. Three.

Unionist
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Polunatic2 wrote:

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Now, if Mulcair could produce some (current) Quebec labour endorsements, that would be something. 

What might be even more interesting would be the Quebec labour endorsements going to other candidates. 

Don't hold your breath. Unions in Québec fall into a few (fluid) categories: 1. Those who support the BQ and PQ. 2. Those who support individual candidates based on their record and stand. 3. Those who traditionally do not support any party. #1 and #2 tend to change back and forth with time and based on elections.

Some individual leaders may publicly support QS provincially.

If there is a union in Québec, or a principal leader of a union, who has expressed support for the NDP (never mind for a leadership candidate), that would be news to me - with the sole exception of those individuals in various unions (none of them leadership types) who have been elected in the Orange Wave.

 


CanadaApple
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Gaian wrote:
CanadaApple wrote:

I don't think I mentioned this before, but I got a call from someone working in the Cullen Camp. a few days ago. They were nice enough, they asked if I was supporting him in the Leadership Race and I said I hadn't really made up my mind yet. They said that was fair enough and reminded me to watch the next debate on Sunday.

Has anyone else gotten any calls from any of the Camps that they may or may not be supporting?

 

Yes. Three.

Who were they from, if I may ask?


Gaian
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CanadaApple wrote:

Gaian wrote:
CanadaApple wrote:

I don't think I mentioned this before, but I got a call from someone working in the Cullen Camp. a few days ago. They were nice enough, they asked if I was supporting him in the Leadership Race and I said I hadn't really made up my mind yet. They said that was fair enough and reminded me to watch the next debate on Sunday.

Has anyone else gotten any calls from any of the Camps that they may or may not be supporting?

 

Yes. Three.

Who were they from, if I may ask?

Jeez, I just knew you were going to ask. Cullen was one, Dewar another, and I can't swear to the third...it was getting late. :)

socialdemocrati...
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I'll fully admit I'm deeply cynical about politics. I'm sure I've said it before: I sometimes barely think there's any point on voting NDP, and usually do so only because there's no hope of the other two parties changing things for the better. Sometimes I think we can build a majority and fundamentally fix this system. But sometimes I think we can make an NDP majority but it would be pointless to do so. And lately, reading what passes for the defining issues of this campaign, I have sincere doubts that the NDP rank-and-file ever be able to focus enough on winning to actually get this country back on track.


Polunatic2
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Thanks for that overview Unionist. That's what I thought and why I suggested it would be "interesting". 

p.s. - I didn't make my water export comment in the context of Mulcair's prior positions. Once that "tap" is turned on, it's my understanding that NAFTA won't allow it to be turned off. Like the Northern Gateway pipeline, I believe that water exports are a defining issue for the country. 


Wilf Day
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ottawaobserver wrote:
Mulcair's folks on this board routinely avoid answering what the true concern was about that Mulcair interview with Daniel Leblanc. His comments about Ken Neuman were needlessly provocative, and were self-aggrandizing at the expense of a brother-in-arms, something that was completely unnecessary, except for perhaps a perceived need to prove that he was not a puppet of labour or some such thing that only reinforced the mainstream media narrative about our party. It was tone-deaf to what he would need to do to win the leadership, and lead all of our party. That he has stopped saying such things, at least signifies to me that his campaign understands that was a mistake. Also, that it's over.

But he hasn't.

Last Tuesday in Toronto at his own rally he made a point of raising the subject of his early spat with Ken Newman, National Director of the Steelworkers Union. He said Ken Newman was pushing to keep the affiliate vote for federal leader, and he told Ken Newman "what's wrong with letting the party members elect the leader?" And the party decided he was right, so, apparently, that's that.

He could easily have gone on to say "But let's be clear: my enemy is Stephen Harper, not Ken Newman. If I'm elected leader, one of my first phone calls will be to Ken Newman, to say "I want your help in defeating Stephen Harper." I expect he would agree with that; but he didn't say it.


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