babble-intro-img
babble is rabble.ca's discussion board but it's much more than that: it's an online community for folks who just won't shut up. It's a place to tell each other — and the world — what's up with our work and campaigns.

Crown / First Nations Summit

75 replies [Last post]

Comments

Unionist
Offline
Joined: Dec 11 2005

Boom Boom wrote:

Yes - Atleo is not holding back - he blames the Indian Act for all the pain First Nations have suffered for so long.

Right. So now when Harper amends the Act to promote private partnerships to (e.g.) exploit the tar sands - or else, "you're on your own" - he can say, "well, I thought they supported changing the Act".

 


Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004

On CTV a commentator just said there's potential conflict brewing between First Nations, the provinces, and the Feds - over resource development, and First Nations standing in the way.


laine lowe
Offline
Joined: Dec 15 2006

I wonder when Atleo received his copy of the script?

Harper's fixation with all things military should really give all Canadian pause.


M. Spector
Offline
Joined: Feb 19 2005

NDPP wrote:

Against the Assembly of First Nations

http://warriorpublications.wordpress.com/2011/02/11/resist-the-assimilat...

"The Assembly of First Nations (AFN) was first established in 1980 in Ottawa. It claims to be the national representative of Indigenous people across Canada, one that fights for our title and rights. In reality, it is a state-funded organization comprised of Indian Act band council chiefs, who act as neo-colonial agents in the interests of governments and corporations..."

Thank you, NDPP, for the link to this article. It's very well written and provides an all-too-rare class analysis of the crisis of colonialism and exploitation of the indigenous people of this country.

I recommend it highly.


Unionist
Offline
Joined: Dec 11 2005

Stan Beardy said they don't just want jobs etc. from resource development - they want a share of the "wealth".

From poverty to wealth - sounds like a plan.

Stan Louttit is being interviewed. He was asked his opinion about Harper's indications about creating private property rights on reserves. Louttit didn't say no. He said, we have to be there in the discussions, right from the outset, and we'd have to buy into it.

Apparently, nothing is "sacred". It's all up for discussion.

I can't watch this any more. I have other things to do. Anything else would be preferable. History is full of massacres. Don't need to witness another one. I'll look at the reports later.


Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004
CPAC reports that FN are asking for: 1. A First Nations - Premiers - PM meeting. 2. A guaranteed number of seats in the House of Commons and Senate be set aside for FN.

sknguy II
Offline
Joined: Apr 20 2009

No. 2 is not a good idea. Respect can't be a impossed.


Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004

Wow - did Chief Jody Wilson Raybold just accuse Harper of neocolonialism???

(edited to correct name)

Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004

sknguy II wrote:

No. 2 is not a good idea. Respect can't be a impossed.

I think the idea is that FN will select candidates to run for a determined number of seats. Not imposed at all.


Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004
Ovide Mercredi is demanding that Canada respect and enforce treaties made between FN and the Crown.

Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004

Mercredi: "We have considered going back to Britain to remind them what Queen Victoria promised".


writer
Offline
Joined: Apr 11 2002

Live coverage on APTN will resume at 4 pm.

Thanks to Regional Chief Jody Wilson Raybold and Ovide Mercredi.


Unionist
Offline
Joined: Dec 11 2005

Boom Boom wrote:
Wow - did Jody _-_ just accuse Harper of neocolonialism???

Yes - and she got the first round of spontaneous applause I've seen this morning (there were others later). She was actually quite brilliant and inspiring. And rather than just talking about "we want a share of the resource wealth", she focused on self-government.

PS: I lied (to myself) when I said I wouldn't watch any more. As soon as she came on, I was pulled back in.

 


Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004

Okay - Harper said he can not dump the Indian Act entirely, he can just make changes to it. Chief Jody Wilson Raybold said that "tinkering with the Indian Act amounts to neocolonialism". And she said this directly to Harper.


Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004

writer wrote:

Live coverage on APTN will resume at 4 pm.

Thanks to Regional Chief Jody Wilson Raybold and Ovide Mercredi.

CPAC just said their coverage will resume right after the lunch break - 130 pm.

ETA: oops! CPAC is just replaying their coverage from this morning. Live coverage continues at 4pm, same as APTN.


writer
Offline
Joined: Apr 11 2002

Cameras aren't allowed in the meetings themselves. 4 pm will be the closing ceremony, from what I understand.


Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004

Following the closing ceremonies I think we will have a lot of speeches from the participants on what transpired inside the meeting rooms. CBC has booked Chief Stan Louttit I think.  There will be full coverage on CBC's P&P and CTV's Politics show, as well as on APTN and CPAC.


writer
Offline
Joined: Apr 11 2002

Breaking news! Harper will actually stay through to the end of the meeting he called!


writer
Offline
Joined: Apr 11 2002

Oh, dear.

Stuff white journalists say @rosiebarton RT: There are some fabulous head dresses here. #cfng
3 minutes ago via web


Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004

P&P: The PM has promised incremental changes to the Indian Act, but the FN chiefs (one from Manitoba now being interviewed) are saying incremental change is not enough. He also says the meetings today lacked substance.


Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004

John Duncan - saying FN communities that do fiscally well will be rewarded by the government. Going to have to flesh this out with some links as they become available. 

Grand Chief Atleo said right away there will be task forces set up on resource revenue sharing and FN education.

Chiefs want this to be an annual meeting - no commitment from the feds on this. However, a progress report card will be issued January 24, 2013.

Chiefs want a meeting of First Ministers (Premiers), PM, and FN chiefs - no commitment on this from the feds.

Harper has been in power six years - and cancelled the Kelowna Accord when he became PM. Why has this meeting taken the PM six years to facilitate???  Would the Kelowna Accord have made any difference if Harper had honoured it?


NDPP
Online
Joined: Dec 27 2008

Symbolism at First Nations Summit (and vid)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/video/video-symbolism-at-first-natio...

"...to declare our sovereignty and to ensure that we would not lose the essence and the formal legitimacy of that sovereignty.."

 

 


epaulo13
Offline
Joined: Dec 13 2009

Can Canada overcome its 'Katrina moment'? video

As the country's prime minister meets with aboriginal chiefs, we look at the plight of some First Nations communities.

quote:

"Canada not only created these reserves, they displaced First Nation's laws with provincial child welfare, education and health laws that should apply to all Canadians. The result is most horribly experienced by children. One-in-six First Nations communities don't even have the basics like water; some of them are using buckets for sewers. The list goes on and it is unacceptable in a wealthy country like ours, and completely preventable."

Cindy Blackstock from the First Nations Child and Family Caring Society of Canada

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestoryamericas/2012/01/20121249...


writer
Offline
Joined: Apr 11 2002

Quote:
Trust in Reconciliation over Assimilation

There were two visions for the Crown-First Nations relationship at the summit meeting yesterday in Ottawa: assimilation and reconciliation.

And there was one over-riding concern: trust.

From Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development John Duncan, we heard self-congratulation for the Conservative record over the past six years and a desire to implement incremental change under the framework of the Indian Act. Their suggested changes include privatization of reserve lands and legislation that, rather than supporting self-government, imposes provincial rules on reserves.

As Regional Chief Jody Wilson-Raybould eloquently rebutted, such changes are unilaterally imposed, emphasize individual rights and continue the colonialist, racist regime established in the 1876 Indian Act. For so long as the Indian Act governs, the policy of assimilation will not change.

As anyone paying attention to the diminishing quality of life on many reserves knows, the Conservatives have nothing to be proud of in their record. That does not build trust.

— Romeo Saganash


epaulo13
Offline
Joined: Dec 13 2009
quote:
BC Assembly of First Nations Proposed Solutions and Desired Outcomes - First Nations/Crown Gathering, January 24, 2012

...The following desired outcomes from the First Nations/Crown Gathering to be held January 24, 2012 in Ottawa, are organized around the four pillars that form the basis of the BCAFN Building on OUR Success Action Plan. The action items under each desired outcome reflect the mandate as resolved and directed by the Chiefs through our three Provincial organizations - the British Columbia Assembly of First Nations, the Union of BC Indian Chiefs and the First Nations Summit. The action items identified for each outcome reflect actions that require Canada's involvement or support to implement and should inform any agreed to work plan or statement coming out of the First Nations/Crown Gathering and that would support the initiatives of the Chiefs of British Columbia.

1. Fair Lands and Resources....

http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/909727/british-columbia-first-nations-le...


Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004

Chief Theresa Spence (Attawapiskat) was interviewed on CBC at noon, she predicts aboriginal young people are totally fed up and are going to make some noise and take other actions.

 

 

I wonder if the $6billion Kelowna Accord would have made a difference had it been implemented six years ago.


NDPP
Online
Joined: Dec 27 2008

Off to See the Wizard: the 2012 AFN-Crown Summit

http://warriorpublications.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/off-to-see-the-wizar...

"Like bannock, band-councils and blocades, Native delegations to see the 'Great White Father' are by now an entrenched part of Native culture. Always presented as something new and dynamic, they follow a predictable pattern: militant sounding chiefs go to the colonial fort, hat in hand, to ask for more money and power from their political masters. If their demands are not met there will be an Indian uprising...

Far from defending Native peoples and their 'Aboriginal Rights', the AFN chiefs are instead endangering the very survival of Native peoples and territories by promoting greater resource extraction and disposession from their last remaining land bases (reservations), while at the same time jockeying for more profit and political power."

 


Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004

Pamela Palmater was just on P&P warning Grand Chief  Atleo to be very careful about what FN's are agreeing to. And "property rights" for FNs - that's a clear attempt for corporations and governments to buy up new privately-held FN territory to steal natural resources.


Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004
epaulo13
Offline
Joined: Dec 13 2009
First Nations youth “unrest” aimed at “own” leadership video

quote:

“A lot of the unrest amongst are young people is also geared towards our own leadership and the invitation is (there) for our current leadership to be open (up) to what our young people have to offer,”said Tootoosis. “There is a lot of intelligent young people out there who can see things differently from a more organic perspective than the current state of our current leadership.”


Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Login or register to post comments