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US, Israel and European powers threaten Iran 4

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NDPP
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Israel Embassy Bombing Targets Iran-India Oil Trade

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/226854.html

"A US hired analyst says after the bomb targeting the Israeli embassy in New Delhi, India will come under mounting pressure to reconsider its decision to import oil from Iran. Lisa Curtis, a well known US expert on South Asian issues, added that following the attack, 'Indian will find it increasingly difficult to placate both Iran, on the one hand, and the US and Israel on the other.."

Oil Prices Jump After Iran Says It is Cutting Flow to EU

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/226827.html

"The price of oil in global markets hit a six month high as Iran says it is cutting oil exports to six European countries. On Wednesday Iran warned six European states, including the Netherlands, Spain, Italy, France, Greece and Portugal, that it is cutting all exports unless long-term deals are made and payments guaranteed.."


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Iran Dismisses Israeli Regime Change Claims as Nonsense (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/226868.html

"Speaking to reporters after a meeting with UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon on Tuesday, Silvan Shalom claimed that Iran wants to revive the Persian Empire and once again become a major superpower. 'They would like to change the types of regimes in the Middle East, they would like to take control of all oil fields in the Middle East, and to have a nuclear bomb,' he added.

Reacting to Shalom's remarks, Iran's permanent representative to the UN Mohammad Khazaei said that Iran's religious beliefs and constitution do not allow the country to build nuclear weapons. 'According to our religious beliefs and the constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran and also a clear Fatwa by the Leader, any use or production of nuclear weapons or any kind of mass destruction weapons, are prohibited by law and by religion, he added.

The diplomat said adherence to Islam and the Iranian Constitution are two reasons why the Islamic Republic would never produce, stockpile or transfer nuclear weapons..."


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US Iranian Threat Speculation Readying Populace For War

http://rt.com/news/terror-new-york-iran-439/

"The US and Israel are claiming that New York could be prime real estate for an Iranian terror attack. But is it a genuine wish to warn Americans of a real threat, or just a fear campaign meant to prepare the population for war with Iran?

On Tuesday, Michael Silber, the New York Police Department's director for intelligence analysis, called Iran a 'front-burner issue', adding 'I hesitate to say it's No. 1, because we don't want to ignore the other threats, but right now it's essentially No.1'

Silber also published an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal, headlined 'The Iranian Threat To New York City'..."


Fidel
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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:
Right, so there's no chance Iran AND the Israelis are blowing each other's people up? Instead of something as simple as that you have to (always) settle for some twisting plot formulated in the deep bowels of CIA headquarters... EVERY TIME, 100% sure as fire is hot.

I wonder why that is?

Well for one thing you have zero evidence for it other than what Ehud Barak and mossad have claimed. And like the Gladio ringleaders, they feel no obligation to reveal to you or the world public in general their alleged evidence for what are extraordinary claims of terrorism.

I think the Gladio Gang's sword play in Thailand, India, and Georgia is a more plausible explanation given the way they tend to falsify reports of everything from Iraqi WMD to even less credible plots involving shampoo and panty bombers in recent years.

And did the ringleaders in Warshington not recently allege that they had uncovered an Iranian plot to assassinate Saudi Arabia's ambassador in Washington?  And I'm sure it wasn't just I who lol'd at the USA's outlandish tale of an Iranian used car salesman no less who allegedly conspired with a Mexican drug cartel to bid on the hit at a restaurant in Warshington.

What Washington and Tel Aviv are trying to sell you are basically conspiracy theories, Bec. Conspiracy theories!

The question, Bec, is not whether you believe that wild and zany story - the question is: why would you want to? Come on, Bec, we want to laugh with you on this one.


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Who Carried Out the Terrorist Car Bombs in India, Thailand and Georgia? Iran...Or Someone Else?

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/02/who-carried-out-the-terrorist-car...

"US and Israel point towards Iran...But did they do it?


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Fidel wrote:

Well for one thing you have zero evidence for it other than what Ehud Barak and mossad have claimed. And like the Gladio ringleaders, they feel no obligation to reveal to you or the world public in general their alleged evidence for what are extraordinary claims of terrorism.

 

So I take it your ignoring the Iranian guy that blew his own legs off in Thailand and the evidence found in the house that he accidently blew up as any type of evidence that might just possibly implicate Iran.

Whatever...

 

Like I said, I believe Israel and Iran are both up to no good here and they've both been at it for a long time. I just hope a war don't start over this.


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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

So I take it your ignoring the Iranian guy that blew his own legs off in Thailand and the evidence found in the house that he accidently blew up as any type of evidence that might just possibly implicate Iran.

Whatever...

Forgetting Fidel for the moment, there are, in common parlance, "conspiracies" and "conspiracy theories"--with the dismissive "conspiracy theories" being applied to improbable explanations for events.

By that definition, the contention that Iranian Government, or the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, are behind the the series of inefficient bombings (or the alleged plot to assassinate Saudis on US soil) amounts to "conspiracy theory" regardless of the number of "news sources" that promote it.


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Iran seems an unlikely culprit for the attacks on Israeli diplomats

Arshin Adib-Moghaddam
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 15 February 2012 20.00 GMT

.... It is hard to imagine that the Iranian government would send Iranian operatives to friendly countries, completely equipped with Iranian money and passports – making the case against them as obvious as possible.

If the Iranian Revolutionary Guards are as professional, highly trained and politically savvy as we have been told repeatedly by Israeli politicians... then why would they launch such a clumsy and self-defeating operation?
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And why India, Georgia and Thailand, three countries that Iran has had cordial relations with during a period when Iran is facing increasing sanctions spearheaded by the United States? A few days ago, India agreed a rupee-based oil and gas deal with Iran and resisted US pressures to join the western boycott of the Iranian energy sector.... What would be the motive for damaging relations with one of Iran's major trading partners and regional heavyweights?...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/15/iran-israeli-diploma...


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first, no one here can claim to actually know what's going on with the bombings.  it's all speculation at this point.

some things to consider:

the same type of magnetic bomb used against the iranian scientists was apparently being used in the most recent attacks.

There's nothing yet that shows these people were, even though they are iranian, working for the Iranian government/military and not on their own accord.  They were certainly amateur enough to have been going it alone.

Iran has signalled it will meet force with force in recent speeches by the president.  appeared to be more about conventional war but who knows.

The important thing is that if this is becoming a terrorist or proxy war that it was most certainly the US/Israel that cast the first stone with multiple terrorist attacks, not to mention the threats, sanctions, etc.

 


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As a result of this, India, a major customer of Iran's oil and one prepared to spurn the embargo as well, is now reconsidering. To determine who was responsible for these ridiculous bombings, one must first ask the question: Who gains? The answer certainly isn't Iran. This has got the fingerprints of CIA/Mossad all over it.


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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Fidel wrote:

Well for one thing you have zero evidence for it other than what Ehud Barak and mossad have claimed. And like the Gladio ringleaders, they feel no obligation to reveal to you or the world public in general their alleged evidence for what are extraordinary claims of terrorism.

 

So I take it your ignoring the Iranian guy that blew his own legs off in Thailand and the evidence found in the house that he accidently blew up as any type of evidence that might just possibly implicate Iran.

Whatever...

Jeff Wells has an good essay on how Italian army intelligence played a key role in the bogus Nigerian yellowcake scam.  

David Guyatt has written excellent articles on Operation Gladio and the OSS/CIA's reconstruction of Himmler's SS after the war.

And Jane Franklin's essay on America's war of terrorism against Cuba is also revealing. If NATO countries were at all concerned about arresting known terrorists, they might consider storming the beaches of Miami and Fort Lauderdale, because America has been a safe sanctuary for some of Latin America's most bloodthirsty terrorists and U.S.-backed dictators over the last several decades.

There are certain established patterns for encouraging and fomenting terrorism that are part of the historical record that I think are unique to certain countries, yes. Iran is not one of those countries, Bec. Iran has certainly been a victim of the strategy of tension and foreign interventions, but Iran is not a significant exporter of terrorism in comparison to certain imperialist countries we are all familiar with.

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:
Like I said, I believe Israel and Iran are both up to no good here and they've both been at it for a long time. I just hope a war don't start over this.
 

They lied their way into Yugoslavia. They lied their way into Afghanistan and Iraq. They lied their way into Libya. Warfiteering is serious business, Bec. It's a lot more profitable than ordinary capitalism. When profit margins for war are anywhere from 300% to 1000%, the war planning department will tend to pull out all the stops in guaranteeing a constant state of war in some country or another. And our purpose in life as consumers of war propaganda is to absorb the Orwellian doublespeak and to think of millions of Afghans, Iraqis, Libyans, Syrians and Iranians as simply "unpeople."  Millions are exterminated and typically in order to remove one single person from power whom the Gladio Gang isn't getting along with for some reason or another that is unrelated to their stated goals in these far away countries. They're lying to us, Bec. Just say no to the war propaganda, please.


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US Wants SWIFT War on Iran  -  by Pepe Escobar

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NB17Ak04.html

"..Yet the vultures, jackals and hyenas of regime change/war can never be appeased in their sanctions lust. The US is now forcing the EU to cut off Iran from Brussels-based SWIFT -- the independent telecom mechanism/clearinghouse used by every bank in the world to exchange financial data. Iran's Central Bank itself may become a victim.

Then there's the stupid argument that the recent bombings and failed bombings in Delhi, Georgia and Bangkok represent Tehran's retaliation for the murder of five civilian nuclear scientists in Iran. If and when Tehran decides to target Israeli interests, it may be able to do it closer to home, and it has the competent operatives to do it without a trace.

The notion that Tehran would send Iranian agents to friendly Asian countries such as India and Thailand and in the case of the Three Stooges in Bangkok, openly displaying their passports and even rials - is ludicrous beyond belief. These are patsies; the question is to find out who's manipulating them.

If the Washington/Tel Aviv promoted hysteria is almost at fever pitch, wait for March 20, when the Iranian oil bourse will start trading oil in other currencies apart from the US dollar..."

 

Another Pretext To Wage War? Fingerprints of False Flags - by Finian Cunningham

http://www.4thmedia.org/2012/02/16/another-pretext-to-wage-war-the-finge...

"...But a clear look at the latest blast incidents raises serious questions about the credibility of such claims, and indeed could suggest that they are part of a flase flag campaign to set Iran up for imminent attack."

 


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'Russia Closely Monitoring Iran Situation': Chief of Staff

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/227019.html

"Moscow is making preparations to respond to a possible Israeli or US military strike against Iran.."

 

ME Expert: Israel Leads US in Iran Dispute (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/226984.html

"The Israeli regime plays a big role in Western pressure on Iran.." Panel discussion


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NDPP wrote:

Who gains? The answer certainly isn't Iran. This has got the fingerprints of CIA/Mossad all over it.

 

 

I disagree, and to be honest with you I find that a bit to simplistic. Iran gains by showing Israel it will strike back the same way it is attacked. I don't care what PressTV or a bunch of bloggers on the internet say; I just find it hard to believe Iran won't retaliate back on Israel for killing its scientists. As for the ridiculousness or the armature nature of the attacks as you've said; the CIA and Mossad have bouched operations like this before, why wouldn't the Iranians (in Thiland) be any different? Nobody is ten feet tall and everyone screws up every now and then.

 

At least they caught three of the bombers in Thailand. We'll know soon enough whom they were working for and wha thelp they had.

 

 


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Iran fears justified?

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Our intelligence estimates indicate that, if it is allowed to progress with its aggressive nuclear program....[they]have the fuel, the facilities, and "everything they need" to manufacture even more weapons-grade fissile material....


Nuclear Nightmare ???


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contrarianna wrote:

Iran fears justified?

Quote:
Our intelligence estimates indicate that, if it is allowed to progress with its aggressive nuclear program....[they]have the fuel, the facilities, and "everything they need" to manufacture even more weapons-grade fissile material....

Nuclear Nightmare ???

Thanks for that very interesting link, contrarianna!


NDPP
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yes, right on too!

Nuke Nation: Israel's Weapons of Mass Destruction - by John Steinbach

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/Nuke_Nation.html

"With between 200 and 500 thermonuclear weapons and a sophisticated delivery system, Israel recently supplanted Britain as the world's 5th largets nuclear power. It is now rivals France and China in the size of its nuclear arsenal. Possessing chemical and biological weapons, an extremely sophisticated nuclear arsenal and an aggressive strategy for their actual use, Israel provides the major regional impulse for the development of weapons of mass destruction and represents an acute threat to peace and stability in the Middle East.

The existence of the Israeli nuclear program is a serious impediment to meaningful non-proliferation and disarmament.."

America Tries to Monopolize Nuclear Energy Industry (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/226969.html

"The US should actually herald Iran's advancement in the field of nuclear energy as a 'major development', but American corporations try to monopolize the nuclear energy industry, an analyst tells Press TV.."


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Assassinating Iranian Scientists - by Ismael Hossein

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/17/assassinating-iranian-scientists/

"...The focus of this essay is primarily on Israel and its motives for trying to overthrow the Iranian government.."

War Propaganda's Triumph: US Public Opinion and Iran  -  by Ben Schreiner

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29343

" A recent series of polls guageing US public opinion on Iran and its nuclear program shed light on the enduring strength of the American propaganda machine. According to a recent YouGov survey, an astonishing 64% of Americans currently believe 'Iran is most likely enriching uranium to build a nuclear weapon.'

Yet, when YouGov speculated 'Suppose a number of countries decided to take action against Iran in order to stop Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon,' 44% of Americans stated they would support bombing Iran's nuclear installations. A total of 70% also supported increasing economic sanctions.

It is hard to imagine though, just how much harsher economic sanctions could really get. For instance, according to Gallup, a staggering 48% of Iranians reported that there were times in the past year when they did not have emough money to buy food for their families.

But then again, starving an entire nation for geopolitical ends  rarely registers much concern within the US.."

Or here - as recall that Canada enforced the punishing sanctions upon Iraq and the resulting deaths of all those Iraqi kids Madelaine Albright pronounced 'worth it'. Apparently officially, we did too. Apparently we do again with Iran. Not to mention Gaza as well.


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US Officials Believe Iran Sanctions Will Fail, Making Military Action Likely

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/17/us-officials-iran-sanctions-...

"Officials in key parts of the Obama administration are increasingly convinced that sanctions will not deter Tehran from pursuing its nuclear programme, and believe that the US will be left with no option but to launch an attack on Iran or watch Israel do it..."

 


Fidel
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The Gladio mafia sees no other option but to launch blitzkrieg over Iran. And it's because they know that Tehran will never be a subserviant colonial outpost for Murder Inc.

We boycotted the former Soviet Union over one single military occupation of Afghanistan. The Gladio Gang have continued murdering millions of human beings and are occupying several countries militarily since dissolution of the USSR. The war on democracy continues.


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Another March to War? (and vid) - by Matt Taibbi

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/02/18-1?nocache=1

"As a journalist, there's a buzz you can detect once the normal restraints in your business have been loosened, a smell of fresh chum in the waters, urging us down the road to war. Many years removed from the Iraq disaster, that smell is back, this time with Iran.

You can feel it..."


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Lieberman Edges US to War with Iran

Exclusive: American neocons have moved the United States closer to war with Iran via a subtle change in the “red line” phrasing, inserting the word “capability” after the usual threats to take out an Iranian “nuclear weapon.” Now, Sen. Joe Lieberman is making the shift official, reports Robert Parry.

  

Sen. Joe Lieberman is leading a group of nearly one-third of the U.S. Senate urging that the red line on war with Iran be shifted from building a nuclear weapon to the vague notion of Iran having the “capability” to build one. The neoconservative senator from Connecticut has introduced a “Sense of the Senate” resolution that would put the body on record as rejecting a situation that arguably already exists, in which Iran has the know-how to build a bomb even if it has no intention to do so....

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29370


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epaulo13 wrote:

Lieberman Edges US to War with Iran

Exclusive: American neocons have moved the United States closer to war with Iran via a subtle change in the “red line” phrasing, inserting the word “capability” after the usual threats to take out an Iranian “nuclear weapon.” Now, Sen. Joe Lieberman is making the shift official, reports Robert Parry.

  

Sen. Joe Lieberman is leading a group of nearly one-third of the U.S. Senate urging that the red line on war with Iran be shifted from building a nuclear weapon to the vague notion of Iran having the “capability” to build one. The neoconservative senator from Connecticut has introduced a “Sense of the Senate” resolution that would put the body on record as rejecting a situation that arguably already exists, in which Iran has the know-how to build a bomb even if it has no intention to do so....

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29370

Naked criminal aggression?

Nah, self-defense, US/Israel/Harper style:

A pre-pre-emptive strike due to the real possible possibility that, possibly someday, Iran possibly could want to join the nuclear weapons club and, if possible, could then be possibly be so barking mad as to attack Israel which would mean the total obliteration of Iran.

Yep, sounds like self-defense to me.


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Pakistan Vows To Stand with Iran if US, Israel Attack

A clear message has been given to the United States through the tripartite summit of Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan that Pakistan will support Iran in case of any possible aggression against it.

Moreover, Pakistan has clearly affirmed that the US will not be allowed to set up any airbases in Pakistan with the purpose of attacking Iran. The joint declaration says: "Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan will ensure respect of territorial sovereignty of each other and would not allow any threat emanating from their respective territories against each other"....

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/02/18-0

Presidents from Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai (L), Pakistan's Asif Ali Zardari (C) and Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad join hands as they pose for pictures after a news conference in the President House in Islamabad February 17, 2012. Ahmadinejad said on Friday foreign interference was the source of all problems in the region. REUTERS/Mian Khursheed


Fidel
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Can a third world despot running Pakistan be trusted in a build-up to WW III? Not if the recent past is anything to go by.

Answer: Who knows? I still think that Islamabad is a CIA hangout and that they are still aiding and abetting the Taliban on the QT.


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Iran Cuts Oil Exports to British, French Firms

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/227486.html

"Iran's Oil Ministry announces it has cut oil exports to British and French firms in line with the decision to end crude exports to six European states..."


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'The Biggest Imperialist Bullies Get Slammed First' (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/iran-oil-embargo-france-uk-701/

"Iran decided not to wait until July 1, when the EU oil embargo comes into effect, instead imposing its own 'boycott on the offending powers, starting with the two biggest imperialist bullies in the schoolyard,' journalist Webster Tarpley told RT.


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'Latin American Nations Looking for Iran Ties, 'Playing with Fire'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/227524.html

"US Senators have warned the Latin American nations against the deepening financial and military ties with Iran, stressing that relations with Iran is like 'playing with fire.' Former US ambassador to the Organization of American States, Roger Noriega said that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and his Iranian counterpart, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 'are conspiring to wage an asymetrical struggle against US security...'"


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US General: "Iran a Rational Actor", but is US one?

Max Blumenthal: There is nothing "rational" about sanctions and GOP leaders call for war is certainly not

..video & transcript

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&I...


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'US Has Lost Influence By Imposing Sanctions on Iran (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/usdetail/227746.html

"Iranian sanctions have actually backfired and are now biting the US back...Iran is now being forced to transactions in non-US currencies.."

 


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Iran Sanctions Push Oil Prices into Recession Territory

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30602.htm

"IAEA inspectors are back in Tehran for talks about Iran's nuclear program. The outcome will not really matter. The US and the people who pull its strings, is not aiming for an Iran that has no nuclear capabilities but for an Iran that does what it says, especially with regards to Israel. To achieve that necessitates regime destruction by force.

The sanctions on Iranian oil and financial transfers, by the US and the EU stooges are preparations for that. The hope is that they will provoke Iran to attack first or to at least make a Gulf of Tonkin like incident plausible. But the sanctions create a big problem. They will tank the world economy..."

'EU Banned Iran Oil To Satisfy Israel' (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/227727.html

"The European Union, which is poor in the energy sector, has been forced to impose an oil ban on Iran to satisfy Israel a political analyst tells Press TV. 'They have no business playing these kinds of energy games just to satisfy the Zionist totalitarians who want to control the entire world,' said Paul Sheldon Foote, a Professor at the California State University in Irvine..."


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