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Well, I think all of the candidates are under intense scrutiny, as they should be. Without Catchfire's quick response to my post, I wouldn't have known how phony that Mulcair announcement outside Woodward's was - and I'm voting for the guy.
Phony? Really, Boom Boom? You have Catchfire's opinion that is pretty biased against Mulcair to begin with.
I wonder, was Vancouver East MP (the riding in which Woodward's sits) and author of the National Housing Plan Bill Libby Davies in attendance?
Your indignation is bordering on the farcical. Libby davis endorsed another candidate, she won't be appearing at events for anyone not named Brian Topp.
I suppose we should just divide up the country into fiefdoms now and if any candidate wants to make a public appearance they better make sure the local MP hasn't declared a preference for another candidate. Fair warning Brian is going to have a hard time getting in and out of Quebec.
DSloth, I was referring to the fact that Mulcair had already alienated Davies from his campaign in an incident most Mulcair supporters have either rationalized or suppressed. It's true I don't care for Mulcair particularly, but I would object to any candidate instrumentalizing the DTES in this way. In fact, I do it all the time because sadly, it happens all the time.
And for the record, I don't support any candidate at the moment.
On the other hand, did you read this: "B.C. Has the most amount of NDP members of any province, so who wins there will be a big factor in who becomes leader. The province has one candidate in the running, Nathan Cullen. However, he only sits in 2nd place there- and has absolutely no endorsements in the rest of the country. BC is one of Brian Topp's best provinces, and he is heads and shoulder above everyone else".
I doubt Mulcair has spent much time in Vancouver or knows any of the details.
It happens all the time to politicians. Obama praised a green company in his state of the union address, and in the same week they declared bankruptcy.
Reading anything into it more than "gigantic campaigns don't know everything" is always grounded more in faith than in reason.
The concern folks have isn't that Mulcair has "promised" to move the party rightward, but that he will.
Right.
Which is why 'where is the proof of being right wing' is irrelevant. Even Brian Topp using rhetorical short cuts does not all Mulcair 'right wing'. And that is rare even here where people can say whatever they like.
It is the strong sense that 'moving to the centre' is what we will GET from Mulcair. Obviously Mulcair supporters do not agree with that, and no one in their right minds expects any of you to. But you dont just disagree, you think there is inherently no substance whatsoever.
But this is just the sort of thing on which reasonable people disagree. You can, and should, disagree withideas that Mulcair will take the party to the centre. But it is really not OK to be outright dismissive of the opinion.
And it is only because a lot of you are outright dismissive- that there is NO real substance to the opinion shared by a lot of people in the party- that you can say Brain Topp is lying when he talks about Mulcair. 'Exagerrating' is fair game, so is 'unprincipled attack'. But the man is not lying.
If Brain Topp is liar about Mulcair, then I sure as hell am too. And I dont think it is just politeness that has kept that label from being bandied around in my direction.
Your indignation is bordering on the farcical. Libby davis endorsed another candidate, she won't be appearing at events for anyone not named Brian Topp.
I suppose we should just divide up the country into fiefdoms now and if any candidate wants to make a public appearance they better make sure the local MP hasn't declared a preference for another candidate. Fair warning Brian is going to have a hard time getting in and out of Quebec.
Catchfire is on the ground and knows the area and the situation. Do you?
DSloth, I was referring to the fact that Mulcair had already alienated Davies from his campaign in an incident most Mulcair supporters have either rationalized or suppressed. It's true I don't care for Mulcair particularly, but I would object to any candidate instrumentalizing the DTES in this way. In fact, I do it all the time because sadly, it happens all the time.
And for the record, I don't support any candidate at the moment.
!!
Unbelievable.
On the other hand, did you read this: "B.C. Has the most amount of NDP members of any province, so who wins there will be a big factor in who becomes leader. The province has one candidate in the running, Nathan Cullen. However, he only sits in 2nd place there- and has absolutely no endorsements in the rest of the country. BC is one of Brian Topp's best provinces, and he is heads and shoulder above everyone else".
All candidates do photo ops.
I doubt Mulcair has spent much time in Vancouver or knows any of the details.
It happens all the time to politicians. Obama praised a green company in his state of the union address, and in the same week they declared bankruptcy.
Reading anything into it more than "gigantic campaigns don't know everything" is always grounded more in faith than in reason.
Totally agree, CF. That's the depths that this discussion has sunk to.
Right.
Which is why 'where is the proof of being right wing' is irrelevant. Even Brian Topp using rhetorical short cuts does not all Mulcair 'right wing'. And that is rare even here where people can say whatever they like.
It is the strong sense that 'moving to the centre' is what we will GET from Mulcair. Obviously Mulcair supporters do not agree with that, and no one in their right minds expects any of you to. But you dont just disagree, you think there is inherently no substance whatsoever.
But this is just the sort of thing on which reasonable people disagree. You can, and should, disagree withideas that Mulcair will take the party to the centre. But it is really not OK to be outright dismissive of the opinion.
And it is only because a lot of you are outright dismissive- that there is NO real substance to the opinion shared by a lot of people in the party- that you can say Brain Topp is lying when he talks about Mulcair. 'Exagerrating' is fair game, so is 'unprincipled attack'. But the man is not lying.
If Brain Topp is liar about Mulcair, then I sure as hell am too. And I dont think it is just politeness that has kept that label from being bandied around in my direction.