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NDP Leadershp #106

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Idealistic Prag...
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nicky wrote:

Alice Funcke interviewed on NDP membership totals:

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/#clip623401 

My goodness. Alice seems to have changed her hair colour, skin colour, and gender.


KenS
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Who knows? And no one here can know. If any lurker knew, they are not going to say.

But more to the point, whats the surprise? Endorsements from Romanow and Calvert were never going to mean that much. Its possible they could be expected to have more effect as good optics outside of Saskatchewan.

And your leaving out one thing Malcolm always said. Topp's JOB then was hatchet man. Somebody does that job in every governing Caucus of telling people things that dont want to hear and are not going to get. It's not going to make anyone loved, no matter how you do it.


nicky
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Brachina
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Idealistic Pragmatist wrote:

nicky wrote:

Alice Funcke interviewed on NDP membership totals:

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/#clip623401 

My goodness. Alice seems to have changed her hair colour, skin colour, and gender.

They say in politics you should be all things to all people, I guess Alice took that too literally :p

Howard
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Thomas Mulcair wrote:
 What I always ask conservatives is this - ‘if you are so much in favour of God's creation, why are you destroying it?' They don't seem to have an answer to that.


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Unionist wrote: "Do they have specially coloured membership cards depending on which candidate you have paid to have the privilege of voting for?"

In the miraculous age of the computer, there are other ways to track this stuff. Go to each campaign's website. Click the "join" prompt. You will see that each one leads to its own designated sign-up page for the individual candidate. (Or you did up until the weekend deadline.) A similar effort was made to organize write-in forms. Campaigns submitted them in a way that ensured they'd be able to track and communicate with their designated members.


NorthReport
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Harper's voter-suppression scandal is so serious that all the NDP Leadership candidates need to take time off together and call a press conference to demand that Harper resign and call another election right away.

This is huge and the NDP needs to stay in the forefront here.

And here's why - look at this headline by the NP.

Stephen Harper’s ‘Nixonian culture’ to blame for illegal robocall scandal: Rae

 


Boom Boom
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NorthReport wrote:

Harper's voter-suppression scandal is so serious that all the NDP Leadership candidates need to take time off together and call a press conference to demand that Harper resign and call another election right away.

This is huge and the NDP needs to stay in the forefront here.

As I wrote in the other thread where this is being discussed: Gerry Caplan (on P&P) just said it's highly unlikely any changes will be made to any election results as a result of this. John Iveson just said you have to have hundreds or thousand s of people come forward to say their vote was suppressed - and that hasn't happened (yet...).


Boom Boom
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NorthReport wrote:

Harper's voter-suppression scandal is so serious that all the NDP Leadership candidates need to take time off together and call a press conference to demand that Harper resign and call another election right away.

This is huge and the NDP needs to stay in the forefront here.

As I wrote last night in the other thread where this is being discussed: Gerry Caplan (on P&P) just said it's highly unlikely any changes will be made to any election results as a result of this. John Iveson just said you have to have hundreds or thousands of people come forward to say their vote was suppressed - and that hasn't happened (yet...). Let the process unfold as it surely will.


Stockholm
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Here is a very long interview with Mulcair in Xtra where among other things he details his gay-positive credentials.

Interestingly, he suggests that Canada might have to quit the Commonwealth if they cannot do anything about so many Commonwealth countries criminalizing homosexuality.

The only thing I'm not crazy about (and this is just my own personal bias here) is how Mulcair always makes his main priority environmental sustainability and global warming - and find the environment to be a really boring issue that I suspect makes most peoples eyes glaze over. I wish he would put more emphasis on living standards.

http://www.xtra.ca/public/National/Meet_NDP_leadership_candidate_Thomas_...


Rebecca West
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nicky wrote:

Catch fire and Mark, you are just not looking at the evidence here. Topp has repeatedly gone negative.

I've looked at everything that's been posted to these threads about Topp's "negative" campaign style, and I just don't see it.  If anything, I think he should be more agressive.

nicky wrote:

A couple examples: Nash is connected to Hargrove. She doesn't have much experience in Parliament.

Not true.  Peggy Nash was elected to the House the same year Jack Layton was - in 2004, the year after Layton won the 2003 leadership race.  She held two shadow cabinet positions under him - Industry Critic and Finance Critic.

And nicky, stop calling other people's opinions "delusional".  Disagree, don't insult.


NorthReport
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Environmental sustainability means good paying green jobs, which means taxes, which means we can afford the social programs we require for our citizens.


doofy
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Mulcair's people  say they have nothing to do with the Ashton rumours.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/ashton-denies-shes-dropping-out-o...

At worst, someone may have repeated what was already being reported by Vincent Marissal in La Presse.Compare that w/ Topp's record.

 

 


nicky
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Rebecca, you miss my point.

It is Topp's telephone canvassers who say that she does not have much Parliamnetary experience. 

You are incorrect, incidentally, in implying she has been in Parliament since 04. She was defeated that year, elected for the first time in 06, defeated again in 08 and re-elected last May. So in total about three years.


Unionist
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She lost in 2006 and won in 2008.

And she never ran in 2004.

 


Catchfire
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The most negative campaigning I have seen in this race has come from Mulcair supporters on this board. Unfortunately, the only people encouraging me not to use that as an example of all Mulcair supporters are those same supporters. So when those supporters call me delusional for not agreeing with the negative picture they paint of other candidates, it doesn't hold much sway.


NorthReport
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This Topp bad, or Mulcair bad, is quite frankly getting more than a little boring. Both of them are excellent candidates as well as are many others in the race.


Ippurigakko
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Unionist, no u r wrong, nicky is right

go read her wikipedia


nicky
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Boom Boom
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Some Mulcair supporters on this board are also attacking Mulcair (mostly over Israel/Palestine questions), just to be fair. Tongue out


NorthReport
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The next NDP leader has a lot to lose

Most of the party’s support came at the Liberals’ expense. That’s not a path to power.

 

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/02/24/politics-the-next-ndp-leader-has-a-lo...


Stockholm
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That's a good column by Wells. I don't totally agree with him though - there are a few NDP paths to power. One is to squeeze more out of what's left of the Liberal vote (i.e. push them from 19% down to 14 or 15% and have the NDP be the benficiary and go from 31% to 35%). Another step is to try to erode the tory vote a bit and hive off a point or two from Tory/NDP switchers. A third step is for the Liberals do give us a hand by reinventing themselves as a rightwing pro-business socially liberal party and let them go after the "soft Tory" vote.


Catchfire
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The biggest available swing vote that could lead the party to power is the 39% of voters who chose to stay at home.


josh
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From the Wells column:

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For my money, the party would be mad to bypass Topp, the best strategist Jack Layton had. Topp knows the country better than Mulcair. He knows the party better than anyone. He knows Stephen Harper, having plotted against him through four elections and a coalition crisis, as well as Harper can be known. And if he is low on charm, so what? He can learn charm, and against Harper he wouldn't need to learn much.

 


North Star
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Spin this Mulcair supporters:

http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/derrick/2012/02/following-money-bay-street-backing-thomas-mulcair

I was willing to give Mulcair a certain benefit of the doubt, but this isn't very helpful.


dacckon
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I want to ask a simple question about Topp-

 

What did he exactly do as party strategist? What concepts/methods failed and which ones succeeded?


Rebecca West
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nicky wrote:

No Unionist, Nash lost in 04, won in 06, lost in 08 and won in 11.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/About/Parliament/FederalRidingsHistory/hfer.asp?Language=E&Search=Det&Include=Y&rid=534

You're right.  She was elected party President after Gerrard Kennedy defeated her in 2008.  Brian Topp succeeded her when she won again last May.


North Star
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Saganash and other First Nations Leaders to endorse Dewar. This is developing, don't have all the details.


DSloth
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North Star wrote:

Spin this Mulcair supporters:

http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/derrick/2012/02/following-money-bay-street-backing-thomas-mulcair

I was willing to give Mulcair a certain benefit of the doubt, but this isn't very helpful.

That's two donors out of 621, and no candidate is going to tare up a check because the guy writing it works on Bay street.

22+ of Topps biggest donors came from Bay Street and were clearly giving as part of a coordinated campaign. 

 

 


socialdemocrati...
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Catchfire wrote:

The biggest available swing vote that could lead the party to power is the 39% of voters who chose to stay at home.

I don't think those guys have much in common that you can group them together.


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