Robocalls Scandal Thread #2 - Now up to 34 ridings
Ridings the Liberals and NDP say received reports of false or misleading calls during the last election:
LIBERALS:
1. Sydney-Victoria (NS)
2. Egmont (PE)
3. Eglinton-Lawrence (ON)
4. Etobicoke Centre (ON)
5. Guelph (ON)
6. Cambridge (ON)
7. Hamilton East-Stoney Creek (ON)
8. Haldimand-Norfolk (ON)
9. Kitchener-Conestoga (ON)
10. Kitchener-Waterloo (ON)
11. London North Centre (ON)
12. London West (ON)
13. Mississauga East-Cooksville (ON)
14. Niagara Falls (ON)
15. Oakville (ON)
16. Ottawa-Orleans (ON)
17. Ottawa West-Nepean (ON)
18. Parkdale - High Park (ON)
19. Perth - Wellington (ON)
20. Simcoe-Grey (ON)
21. St. Catharines (ON)
22. St. Paul's (ON)
23. Sudbury (ON)
24. Wellington - Halton Hills (ON)
25. Willowdale (ON)
26. Saint Boniface (MB)
27. Winnipeg South Centre (MB)
NDP:
28. Davenport (ON)
29. Edmonton East (AB)
30. Elmwood-Transcona (MB)
31. Ottawa Centre (ON)
Parkdale-High Park (also on Liberal list)
32. South Shore-St. Margaret's (NS)
Sudbury (also on Liberal list)
33. Thunder Bay-Superior North (ON)
34. Windsor-Tecumseh (ON)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/25/pol-rae-robocalls-saturday.html
On CTV QP, Dean Del Mastro is trying to downgrade this by saying Cons got these robocalls too. Pat Martin said that's a stupid thing to say.
Yes, it may be a strategy by the Cons to throw people off. Funny how only one Conservative campaign was targeted, isn't it? It's rather at odds with the rest of the pattern across the country.
it would be useful if people in the ridings challenged the results,
with the information from Steven Shrybman's notes at rabble:
http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/steven-shrybman/2012/02/if-you-didnt-rob...
As it turns out, we don't have to depend only on Elections Canada to rectify this mess. People who were eligible to vote in these ridings can go to court to nullify the results of the election in their riding.
If you didn't like that #robocall here's something you might do about it. By Steven Shrybman. Rabble Blog
Finally a Harper policy I agree with. Use the extra money for prisons to throw all the Cons in jail with a minimum sentence of life for fraud and treason.
Is there a 30-day time limit after the election in which the claim must be mounted?
Dean Del Mastro? They put up Dean Del Mastro to defend them? Things must be pretty grim over there if he's the best they've got.
https://twitter.com/#!/justinpjtrudeau
A little something to spread around the internet and make Stephen Harper smile
Here's a page which talks about the little creep Michael Sona, and has a photo of him posing with a gun:
http://take-back-the-right.blogspot.com/2012/02/return-of-michael-little...
If they were doing the robocalls in Davenport, then they were targeting the Liberals in that one too - it was a Liberal incumbent in that riding, and one could make the case that it worked. So I don't know why Davenport is listed as a riding where the NDP was targeted.
For those who were wondering in the previous thread why the media is focusing on Bob Rae's reaction on this instead of the NDP's reaction, it's pretty clear to me that it's because it was mostly the Liberal Party that was targeted by these calls.
I think it's a little weird that NDP supporters and politicians are now talking about the suppression of "NDP and Liberal voters" in that order. The main target was the Liberal Party, and that was where the tactic was clearly successful.
An NDP voter might choose not to vote, but never would they vote Conservative in order to seek the comeuppance of the offending party, so for that reason Liberals (more likely to switch their vote to Con than NDP generally) were the more obvious target.
Which is to say, I agree with Michelle.
Wasn't Elmwood Transcona the riding that Rebecca Blaikie lost by a very small margin?
Beat them join them thread:
No. It's 30 days from the day a person learns that an irregularity took place in their riding.
Since this is only coming to light now, people now have 30 days from when they found out about this to go to court.
So time is of the essence to get complaints heard by the legal system.
This is a great idea. I hope someone follows through on it.
Well the cons playing "you can't beat them join them" was predicted but they might want to consider the fact that maybe they were trying to get rid of one of there own, after all they do have a history of turning on each other. That pic of M sona is priceless showis how the conservatives attract right wing extremists ..How many examples do Canadians need before they wise up?
This could be more widespread than even todays reports as I just heard on global the NDP are up to 11 ridings subjected to this frauduleant conservative criminal behaviour ..and now there is talk about how a judge can overturn the results of the last election!!!!
Hurry up NDP pick that leader ...Mulcair wink wink nudge nudge
Regarding the time limit..It should be obvious to any judge that the esssence of a fraud is to not know at the time the criminal act occured that you are being subjected to it , but rather after the fact which is really within the last 48 hours ...so if that law stands this is the beginning of the end of the conservative criminal regime...the proof is how the evidence is mounting on a daily basis now that the fraud has been exposed....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-QvXax88J8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eQgUpkJ1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns8LD5Q8ecc
vaudree wrote: Wasn't Elmwood Transcona the riding that Rebecca Blaikie lost by a very small margin? No. Elmswood Transcona had been Jim Maloway's riding to Conservative Lawrence Toet. He lost by 300 votes exactly. Rebecca Blaikie ran in Winnipeg North losing to Liberal Kevin La,oureux by 117 votes.The photo of him with the gun? There's also one I think I posted on the first thread that shows him at Bible Camp. And there's one of him with Stephen Harper.
Robocalls scandal spreads across Canada as number of affected ridings hits 34
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/26/robocalls-scandal-spreads-across...
there are 23 cons out by 34 (rae and martin list)
166 - 23 = 143 (2008) ?
In many of those ridings there Tories won by huge margins and there is zero chance that you could ever prove that robo-calls made a difference of thousands of votes in one riding. You would literally need signed affidavits from thousands of voters in just one riding. There is no way this scandal will overturn the result in any riding where the margins of victory was more than 50 votes so you are looking at one by election MAYBE
The real issue is whether or not this can be traced to a political party, and if it is, whether Canadians will exhibit any substantial form of outrage in response.
I agree. I think we should move away from deluding ourselves into thinking this will be some sort of short-cut into overturning the entire 2011 election - ain't gonna happen. But it IS a good way to expose how corrupt cynical and unethical the Tories are and help chip away at their image with the public.
One thing that amazes me is the political scandals are treating with greater weight in many other countries while Canada sems to have become blaise about these sorts of incidents. 2011 happened, the only way a government will resign is if it becomes so mired in scandal that to do otherwise would be unthinkable.
The one where he has the gun ..it fits with the line in my song ..attracting sexist, racists bigtime...(1:20 mark of top video below)....I have the Conservative Norwegian kid killer pic as yer typical right wing extremest..well Canada now has their own ..but instead of killing lefty kids in a camp ..he kills our electoral process.
I don't think the media and people are grasping the seriousness of this at all...There are many people who don't use guns to get their point across because they have that power of voting..and they take it seriously ..to have that only power threatened or taken away is asking for trouble....the reason I use my guitar as weapon is because I CAN vote...so what I have to do now is even more songs ...to pacify my protest and activist feelings.
At least when I'm sitting in a courtroom explaning why "neocon scum corporate bum"..I can tell them why .....or rip our police system apart with a "momma when I grow up I want to be an ork"..I'll tell them why...oh yeah now that they have ruined my vote power they are going to get it bigtime.
This business about isolated incident that MaKay is pumping is baloney also ..911 is an isolated incident that killed 1 million innocent people...the Norwegian wack job conservative extremest is an isolated incident that klilled many kids..and this if an isolated incident can end up killing our electoral process and who knows what it can escalate into....
Actually by the comment count on the CBC this weekend I seen 4000..that is triple to quadruple the Afghan detanee count , so there is lots of interest in this fraud...
It's basically up to the media ...the sheeple in Canada will act accordingly....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-QvXax88J8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eQgUpkJ1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns8LD5Q8ecc
Globe and Mail
And, as I (mis)posted in the other thread,
there are several reasons not to just wait for the RCMP, the beneficiary of the Harper Security State:
http://www.straight.com/article-617891/vancouver/classaction-lawsuit-wou...
I thought the sponsorship scandal was given quite a bit of weight...though it should be noted that it first started to leak out in 2001 and took years to really damage the Liberals.
True a class action or even better every single individual go on mass demonstartions like Egypt would work..The rcmp have the credibility of a shit box when it comes to investigating anything conservative.... they even let the conservative cocaine posseser off....you would think the in /out scheme would of raised concern? I can't believe they defrauded and cheated that time and got away with it....When it comes to covering up Tommy D's file (obvious political assasination) and gawd knows what they did to Jack (obvious political assasination2)....every time the left shows signs off taking over they assasinate the leader....they even had a sleazy activist file on Bob Rae....do you think these rat bastards have a file on Harper? I bet not... it's going to be up to the people to change that around..ingrained nazism has to be dealt with in differant ways....and any hero's coming out of this fiasco will have songs sung about them csis..no matter what they do! Surely there must be some decent humans left in the rcmp /csis that can do something?
So how long will it be before Harper and his friends in the democratic-imperialist nations of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain etc demand a no-fly zone over Canada? How long before Hillary Clinton states that Harper is only delaying the inevitable and that Harper is "done." How long before Al-CIA'duh is airlifted into Canada and armed to the eye-teeth to raise hell on behalf of the true 60% majority? I have a strong feeling it will never happen.
Judicial inquiry needed into election scandal
excerpt:
No, this will not lead to a redo of the May 2 vote, or to by elections in ridings found by Elections Canada to have been targeted. That's because, though outcomes may have been affected, it will be nigh impossible to establish by how much. All we can say is that the legitimacy of Tory victories, in ridings found to have been hit by fraudulent tactics favouring Conservatives, and in which the Conservatives won, will be permanently tainted.
The phony-majority Harpers are looking very beatable in 2015.