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Robocalls Scandal Thread #2 - Now up to 34 ridings

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NorthReport
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This is a huge fraud that has been perpetuated on Canadian society by the current Conservative government. I'm so looking forward to the next federal election when it will become front and centre how the Harper Cons stole the last election.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/28/pol-election-calls-tues...


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contrarianna wrote:

On Harper's combative defiance in the House

NDP's Charlie Angus:
"It's a very disturbing message when the prime minister says, 'Hey, if you've got evidence, catch me,' " he said.

Harper's attitude might merely be an expected posturing counterattack,
or it could also reflect Harper's presumption that the RCMP will continue to look out for their favorite party.

I agree.

People at the highest levels of the U.S. national security apparatus (eg. CIA, FBI, Pentagon etc.) were involved in the assassinations of JFK, RFK and MLK in the 1960's.

You can never trust the police, military or intelligence services.


NorthReport
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Does "Vikileaks" undermine Liberal credibility on robocalls?

Yes, I think so.


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That puts you in the minority then, NR.  The large majority of respondents on P&P's poll yesterday said they do not think 'Vikileaks' undermines Liberal credibility.  So I hope you're not siding with the Conservatives on this one just out of spite to the Liberals.


Stockholm
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NorthReport wrote:

Does "Vikileaks" undermine Liberal credibility on robocalls?

It reinforces the fact that on the topic of honestly and ethics and clean campaigning - ONLY the NDP has any credibility at all!


NorthReport
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Question: So what's the difference between a Harper government and dictatorships?

Answer: Dictatorships are not quite so high tech.


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"Call firm hands over docs related to Tory campaign | CTV News"

 

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120227/robocalls-battle-house-of-commnos-120227/


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Boom Boom
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Stockholm wrote:

It reinforces the fact that on the topic of honestly and ethics and clean campaigning - ONLY the NDP has any credibility at all!

I recall reading that the NDP had robocalls made to LSD's constituency office after she switched from NDP to Liberal, and forced it to shut down. Sounds like petty and unethical conduct to me. I don't like robocalls, and it pisses me off that the NDP uses them. NO party has credibility on this issue in my opinion - well, except MAYBE the Greens and BQ.

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Let's not fall for the Conservative strategy of getting into an argument over Vikileaks.  It has NOTHING to do with this.

The issue is whether there was Conservative elections fraud.


Boom Boom
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"Pierre Poutine, Separatist Street" is the name of the person who registered the disposable cell phone in Guelph. Laughing

 

ETA: Evan Solomon tells us there actually is a "Pierre Poutine" restuarant in Guelph. Poutine in Guelph??  Foot in mouth


contrarianna
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Debater wrote:

Let's not fall for the Conservative strategy of getting into an argument over Vikileaks.

It's not just the Con Party itself, it's the media  (and maybe a few Babblers) grinding out the absurd moral equivalence. I watched CBC's Mansbridge last night "interview" some in house pundit who reinforced that equation.

As if embarrassing Toews and the hypocrisy of the "family values" image, is in anyway comparable to the massive and systematic subversion of our limited democratic election system. 

 

 


NorthReport
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More bad news for that democracy-hater Stephen Harper!

Documents link ‘burner’ cellphone, Tory candidate with robocall company RackNine

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/28/documents-link-burner-cellphone-...


Boom Boom
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CP is saying a full investigation is starting against the company (Campaign Research)  that made those fake calls to Irwin Cotler's riding.


NorthReport
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Lookin' good!

 

Stormy question period heralds 'Pierre Poutine' robocalls

 

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Stormy+question+period+heralds+Pierre+...

Outside the House, outspoken NDP MP Pat Martin said the Tories appear to have borrowed their tactics from gangsters and criminals.

"Who uses a burner cellphone?" he said of the disposable phone. "Dope dealers and Hell's Angels and Tony Soprano use burner cellphones."

Martin said the false identity was also plainly offensive.

"To falsify with such an insulting, patronizing and racist handle as Pierre Poutine from Separatist Street," he said in a contrived French Canadian accent. "It's just a disgrace."

Martin said the NDP would push for the senior staff of RackNine, Responsive Marketing Group and Campaign Research — all Tory-linked automated call firms — to appear before Parliamentary committee to explain their actions.




NorthReport
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if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, talks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

Let's face it, we have a gang of thugs in control of our federal government. Vladimir Putin would be proud of Harper's tactics.

Robocalls probe centres on disposable ‘burner’ cellphone linked to black ops in Guelph riding

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/28/robocalls-probe-centres-on-dispo...


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Ippurigakko
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I wonder is there any quebec riding robocalls? if not, then surprisedly?


bekayne
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Boom Boom wrote:

CP is saying a full investigation is starting against the company (Campaign Research)  that made those fake calls to Irwin Cotler's riding.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/dirty-tricks-against-cotler-trigger-misconduct-probe-for-tory-pollster/article2353071/


contrarianna
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Even though crimes were committed under the Election Act, class action suits from the ridings involved may be the only partial recourse available against the silent coup d'état.

The time to file them is limited.


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A recent Straight online poll showed that nearly 80 percent of respondents didn't trust the Mounties to get to the bottom of the Conservatives' robocall scandal. And why would they? Harper's giving them everything they've ever wanted, including an opportunity to escalate the war on drugs and lock up anyone who grows a few marijuana plants. Why would the Mounties want to throw any of their political accomplices in jail when those spots are already reserved for the nation's gardeners?


http://www.straight.com/article-618726/vancouver/news-youse-rcmp-ignores...


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Jack Siegel, a Toronto-based lawyer who practises election and political law, says the chances of indictment are slim to none, assuming the file even reaches the courts.

"After 25 years of practising law I've seen two or three files hands on where choice was to be made and every case was summary," says Siegel.


Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Allegations+unprecedented+elections+ch...


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http://www.hilltimes.com/news/politics/2012/02/28/tories-imported-american-style-dirty-tricks-and-now-theyre-getting-caught-says/29764

Mr. Poilievre, one of Mr. Harper’s favourite MPs for deflecting controversy, prompted opposition howls when he attempted to brush off questions from NDP MP Charlie Angus (Timmins-James Bay, Ont.,).

“If he has any evidence he should press one,” Mr. Poilievre said. “If he has no evidence he should press two to apologize, if he has none he should hang up and call again.”

“It’s no laughing matter, they thought it was a joke?” Mr. Martin said to reporters outside the Commons, growing angrier as he continued talking.

“Calling it Pierre Poutine from Separatist Street? Did they get a laugh out of that? They’re compromising the integrity of our whole electoral system, the dirty little bastards, some dirty, rotten little punk’s behind this, and it makes my blood boil just thinking about it,” Mr. Martin said.


Brachina
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http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Tandt+Liberals+adrift+Vikileaks/622407... Way to blow it liberals. This was cross posted with the leadership thread, because of its revelance to both. For record the analysis appears to be good.

M. Spector
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Debater wrote:

I just hope that the fact that Bob Rae has apologized to Vic Toews for Vikileaks doesn't allow the Conservatives to get away with the robocalls.

Last night on Global TV news the reporter stated, as if a matter of fact, that because of the Vikileaks the Liberals can no longer claim the high moral ground on the RoboCalls scandal!

NorthReport wrote:

I'm so looking forward to the next federal election when it will become front and centre how the Harper Cons stole the last election.

What makes you think they won't steal that one, too?


adma
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NorthReport wrote:
Let's face it, we have a gang of thugs in control of our federal government. Vladimir Putin would be proud of Harper's tactics.

Yeah, by changing his name to "Pierre" and claiming to live on Separatist Street


contrarianna
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Brachina wrote:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Tandt+Liberals+adrift+Vikileaks/6224070/story.html Way to blow it liberals. This was cross posted with the leadership thread, because of its revelance to both. For record the analysis appears to be good.


So, the Regional Managing Editor for Sun Media puts it out that insulting Toews with tweets cancels out any complaints against the systematic criminal destruction of the elective process.
Well, I guess it must be true.

As for the apparent glee of some as they embrace the disinformation? what they imagine as the sweet whiff of political advantage is actually the rotting corpse of democracy. Enjoy.


RevolutionPlease
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Fuck, are we really going after the Libs vs Robocalls here? Grow up.

RevolutionPlease
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contrarianna wrote:

As for the apparent glee of some as they embrace the disinformation? what they imagine as the sweet whiff of political advantage is actually the rotting corpse of democracy. Enjoy.

Well said.

Brachina
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contrarianna wrote:

Brachina wrote:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Tandt+Liberals+adrift+Vikileaks/6224070/story.html Way to blow it liberals. This was cross posted with the leadership thread, because of its revelance to both. For record the analysis appears to be good.


So, the Regional Managing Editor for Sun Media puts it out that insulting Toews with tweets cancels out any complaints against the systematic criminal destruction of the elective process.
Well, I guess it must be true.

As for the apparent glee of some as they embrace the disinformation? what they imagine as the sweet whiff of political advantage is actually the rotting corpse of democracy. Enjoy.

Do you really think this ends with the Sun? It'll be twittered, blogged, one person already mentioned the same basic option was expressed. Of course logically this shouldn't free the Tories on the robocalls, and legally it may not, but it does mean the liberals will gain little and it breaks thier momentum. If Turmel is smart it does free up room to take the lead this issue, so maybe the, Tories will get theirs still, I hope so, but,liberals will not benifit from it like they were doing.

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