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NDPP
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'19% of Israelis Support Non-US-Backed Iran Strike'

http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=259889

"Poll finds vast majority of Israelis against unilateral military strike on Iran, Israeli Jews prefer Obama over all Republican rivals.."


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President Barack Obama warned that he is not bluffing about attacking Iran if it builds a nuclear weapon, but in an interview published Friday, Obama also cautioned U.S. ally Israel that a premature attack on Iran would do more harm than good.

In his most expansive remarks on the issue thus far, Obama told The Atlantic magazine that Iran and Israel both understand that "a military component" is among a mix of many options for dealing with Iran, along with sanctions and diplomacy.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/03/02/obama-iran-bluff.html


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Canada wants a "peaceful resolution" to prevent further development of Iran's nuclear program, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Friday during a news conference in Ottawa with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Harper's counterpart, however, said "all options" to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons should be on the table.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/02/pol-netanyahu-visit.html


Bec.De.Corbin
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I must be optimistic about a war not starting...

 

There is no proof Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapon.

 

There is no proof the US will attack Iran unless it builds a nuclear weapon nor does it support an Israeli attack for other than that reason (Iran BUILDS a bomb). The President Obama has said both and he IS NOT campaigning on a "attack Iran" platform; he's campaigning on economic issues. A war with Iran will not help the economy, it would hurt it.

 

The only people I see saying the US is going to first strike Iran for no real reason is right and left winged groups on both sides of the fence. Fortunately they are not the Commander in Chief nor are the ignorant NASCAR masses that think Iran has a bomb.


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removed.


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Hoodeet wrote:

If there is, to cite that odious phrase, no sunlight between Obama and the Israeli state,  then why  is Mr. O. going to perform  the annual act of obeisance to the Zionist establishment and speaking at AIPAC?

It's beyond "de rigueur" and it doesn't come across as perfunctory theatrics-- it's a ritual of self-abasement for the U.S.    Unless the POTUS this time makes a strong firm statement in favour of Palestinian rights and international law and against Israeli adventurism in Iran, he's showing himself as no better than AIPAC's Step N Fetchit.     

All the high-ranking US officials who loudly broadcast  their deference to Israel-right-or-wrong  may well, in the opinion of some experts, be the genuine voice of the Empire, but I doubt it.  As people on commondreams.org keep saying:  Remember the U.S.S. Liberty (1967). 

IMHO, for AIPAC a U.S. leader is essentially no more than a "shabbos goy".

You seem to have swallowed whole the Mearsheimer/Walt thesis that the United States is being led around by the nose by Israel; whereas in reality the United States is a willing partner. In fact it supplies enormous military and financial aid to Israel, without which it would not be able to be the US's power proxy in the mideast.

Obama takes no orders from Israel or AIPAC. He speaks at their conference because he applauds and supports their activities.

And I object to the racial slur at the end of the second paragraph.

 


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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

 

I must be optimistic about a war not starting...

 

There is no proof Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapon.

 

There is no proof the US will attack Iran unless it builds a nuclear weapon nor does it support an Israeli attack for other than that reason (Iran BUILDS a bomb). The President Obama has said both and he IS NOT campaigning on a "attack Iran" platform; he's campaigning on economic issues. A war with Iran will not help the economy, it would hurt it.

 

The only people I see saying the US is going to first strike Iran for no real reason is right and left winged groups on both sides of the fence. Fortunately they are not the Commander in Chief nor are the ignorant NASCAR masses that think Iran has a bomb.

 

So can you speculate on how the blood for oil gang will end up bombing Iran? Medieval siege for ten years, like Iraq? Will the Gladio Gang decide that weakening millions by hunger and lack of medical supplies worked well enough against Iraqis in order to get to one man that it should work in Iran, too? Will news reporter Leslie Stahl be asking the same question of another cosmetic government employee as to whether the deaths of half a million children was worth the effort?


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M. Spector wrote:

Obama takes no orders from Israel or AIPAC. He speaks at their conference because he applauds and supports their activities.

 

+1

 

Or you could say he's being diplomatic, which after GWB, is a relief. His "I don't buff" statement wasn't totally against or for Iran... he also told Israel to back down as well and I approve of that; very much so.

The USA isn't going to war for Israel on an Israeli hunch. I don't care what any of you say or post.

 

Who among us has not be in a situation with a friend and had to tell them enough is enough? I have, it was not pleasant, but it was necessary.


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withdrawn as offensive, at Unionist's flagging.


Unionist
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Hoodeet wrote:

IMHO, for AIPAC a U.S. leader is essentially no more than a "shabbos goy".

Besides your continuing offensive comments about African Americans, I just happened to run across the above.

The notion that Jews manipulate Gentiles to do their dirty deeds could be left at the door before you enter here, you know.

Since you're not backing off, I've flagged your latest post as offensive.

 


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I've replaced my offensive post with this link to Roane Carey's note on AIPAC in The Nation. 

thenation.com/blog/166559/why-occupy-aipac

 

 


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Request removed after offensive material edited.


Hoodeet
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Catchfire wrote:

Hoodeet, your post #65 contains two ethnic slurs, both of which contain deep-seated racist logic. I'm asking you to remove them before I do.

Hoodeet (JW)

 

I'd missed No. 65.  It's gone.  Now  please remove No. 72, Catchfire, out of courtesy.  I'll then remove this one.


Fidel
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Hoodeet, Israel was a frontline state during the cold war. It still is.  It's like Chomsky said about it - the world is run like the mafia ran its affairs. Nothing happens that the head don doesn't know about or condone. Can you guess which country is the head consigliere and which ones are caporegimes?


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"The global empire, with a Jewish-dominated Palestine, beholden to England for its tenuous survival, surrounded by a balkanised group of squabbling Arab states, was foreseen by Halford Mackinder as a key linchpin. 'If Arabia, as the passage land from Europe to the Indies and from the Northern to the Southern Heartland, be central to the World-Island, then the hill citadel of Jerusalem has a strategical position.' Mackinder realized that this one last formal colony was necessary to complete the empire geopolitically. Though Zionism already had its following in the British political elite, his inspiration was not Zionist but rather imperial, and by putting Jews in a Palestinian homeland, he was assembling the pieces in today's imperial order.."

P 32, Postmodern Imperialism: geopolitics and the great games. Eric Walberg 2011. Clarity Press


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Bipartisan Group of U.S. Leaders Calls on State Department to Remove Iranian Dissidents From Terror List, Urges UN to Protect Them

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NEW YORK, Feb. 14, 2012 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ - A bipartisan group of former U.S. political and military leaders is calling for the U.S. State Department to remove a prominent Iranian dissident group, the People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran/Mujahedeen-e-Khalq (PMOI/MeK), from its list of terrorist organizations, saying the classification is unjustified and 3,400 Iranian dissidents housed at Camp Ashraf in Iraq cannot be safely resettled until the change is made.
"What troubles me is the politicization of the national terrorist list," former Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-RI, said at a conference attended by more than 1,000 Iranian-Americans and community leaders Saturday in New York. "I call on the State Department of the United States to be honest, to be truthful, and to follow the facts."

LIFG was previously listed by the U.K. as an al-Qa'eda affiliated terrorist group, too. Not anymore. And now they want to delist MEK, another al-Qa'eda/al-CIA'da affiliated terrorist group.

The Obama Administration has attempted to distance themselves from the murders of Iranian scientists and general all around terrorism in Iran over the past two years, the mujahideen-e-khalq is protected by the U.S. Military at Camp Ashraf in Iraq since 2003.

The U.S. Government, Mujahideen-e-Khalq and al-Qa'eda leader Ayman al Zawahiri are covert allies in the Middle East working to destroy Iraq, Libya, Syria, and hopefully for them, Iran, too. It's a huge covert operation dating back to the 1980's. Charade they are.

Never forget.


NDPP
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US, Israeli Officials Will Discuss War on Iran: Analyst (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/229857.html

"The senior officials of the US and Israeli regime plan to discuss means to provide for an attack on Iran in their upcoming talks, a political analyst tells Press TV. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is due to meet US President Barack Obama in Washington on March 5, supposedly to discuss Iran's nuclear energy program.."

World Considers US, Israel Threat Not Iran

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/229912.html

"American scholar Noam Chomsky says the world does not accept the US portrayal of Iran as an 'imminent threat' to global peace, and that Washington and Tel Aviv are instead seen as greater evils. 'There is little credible discussion of just what constitutes the Iranian threat, though we do have an authoritative answer provided by US military and intelligence.

Their presentations to Congress make it clear that Iran doesn't pose a military threat,' Chomsky wrote in his latest article titled 'What Are Iran's Intentions?' published Friday.

What Are Iran's Intentions? - by Noam Chomsky

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/what_are_irans_intentions/


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Prime Minister Stephen Harper Echoes Hawks on Iran  - by Haroon Siddiqui

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1140321--prime-m...

"...Yet the New Democrats and the Liberals are mostly silent. Do they too support an illegal war on Iran? If not, why don't they say so clearly?"

 


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What do people make of Pres. Obama's AIPAC speech this morning? (commondreams.org posted it)


NDPP
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President Obama Addresses AIPAC (and vid)

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30709.htm

"..staunchly defends his administration's record on Israel..."

Iran, Threats and the UN Charter

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/03/iran_threats_and_the_un_charter/singleton/

"The Washington Post's David Ignatius today persuasively argues that President Obama, in his interview with The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg, issued his most absolute and inflexible threat yet to attack Iran - not if Iran attacks or is about to attack another country, but merely if it appears to be developing a nuclear weapon..

His message to Israel: If the Iranians cross the red lines the US will attack."


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Iran, Canada and the Petro State  -  by Andrew Nikiforuk

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2102/03/05/Iran-Petro-State/

"...Canada's foreign minister John Baird recently invoked the Holocaust and Mein Kampf when talking about Iran's petro politicians. His wild rhetoric helps to keep the price of oil high, a driver of costly bitumen production. It is instructive that Baird has not denounced Sinopec's human rights violations in Sudan, its links to terrorist supporting governments, its dark intrigues in Myanmar and Anglola; or its charges of abuse of temporary workers in Alberta.

By now most Canadians know why Baird's invective is so selective. According to the prime minister's ethical oil office, every communist or gangster investor becomes as white as snow when they buy a cheap chunk of Canada's oil patch. By this reasoning, it is truly Iran's great misfortune not to have invested in the tarsands months ago and taken advantage of its miraculous diplomatic upgrading process.."


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Israel and US: Partners in International Crime -  by Tony Cartalucci

http://www.landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/03/israel-us-partners-in-inte...

"...The Brookings report would then go on to admit it was the intention of US-Israeli policy toward Iran to provoke a war they knew Iran would neither want nor benefit from. The goal was to create such a provocation without the world recognizing it was indeed the West triggering hostilities:

'..it would be far more preferable if the United States could cite an Iranian provocation as justification for the airstrikes before launching them. Clearly, the more outrageous, the more deadly, and the more unprovoked the Iranian action, the better off the US would be...any military operation against Iran will likely be unpopular around the world and requires the proper international context..'"


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Is Bibi the Bully Wagging the [Canadian and] American Dog?  - by Pepe Escobar

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NC06Ak03.html

"...No matter what the rhetorical gymnastics performed by Obama, a case can be made that Bibi the Bully wags the American dog full-time. Worse; the Likud-dominated Israeli administration, single handedly, is playing with dispatching vast spheres of the global economy into total depression, as its hysterics progressively hurl oil prices towards the stratosphere.

The world is a hostage of Israel's whims, evn as the 120-plus members of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) support Iran's right to enrich uranium, and BRICS members Russia, China and India, as well as Turkey, dismiss the US and the EU's oil embargo - a true declaration of economic war - on Iran.."

 


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Who Was Behind the Delhi Bombing?  -  by Gareth Porter

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/02/201222985228671645.html

"The bombing of an Israeli diplomat's car in India isn't consistent with Iranian or Hezbollah involvement. Instead it points to the distinct possibility that the Israelis planned a carefully limited bomb attack that was not intended to cause serious injury to Israeli diplomatic personnel, but that would advance the larger Israeli narrative on the need to punish Iran.."


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Israel Asks US For Bunker-Buster Bombs, Refuelling Aircraft

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/230368.html

"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu requested the US approve the sale of GBU-28 bunker-buster bombs and advanced refuelling aircraft to Israel reports say. An American official said that US President Barack Obama ordered Panetta to work directly with Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak on the issue, indicating that the US government was inclined to approve the request.."


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NDPP wrote:

Israel Asks US For Bunker-Buster Bombs, Refuelling Aircraft

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/230368.html

"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu requested the US approve the sale of GBU-28 bunker-buster bombs and advanced refuelling aircraft to Israel reports say. An American official said that US President Barack Obama ordered Panetta to work directly with Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak on the issue, indicating that the US government was inclined to approve the request.."

They forgot to add the bit about no attacks during 2012...


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Iran Raps UNSC, IAEA For Silence on Israeli Threats

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/230689.html

"Iranian Ambassador to the IAEA has slammed the UN nuclear watchdog and Security Council for failing to take action over Isreli threats against Iran. The silence of IAEA members, particularly the Board of Governors will damage the agency's credibility he added."

Silly ambassador, doesn't he know Israel enjoys impunity in all things...


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Taylor Report: Iran's 'Threat' to Israel (podcast)

http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/58338

"The discussion in the headlines is whether or not Israel might be interested in a pre-emptive attack on Iran - a discussion alarming in its audacity. Are we dealing with another 'Weapons of Mass Distraction' issue? Interview with Yakov Rabkin, University of Montreal

Evidence of War Lies Public Pre-War This Time

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/03/evidence-of-war-lies-public-pre-w...

"...President Barack Obama is pretending to want to avoid a war on Iran and to want Israel not to start one, while constantly pushing laughably bad propaganda to get that very war going. Why supply Israel with the weapons to attack Iran more forcibly if you don't want Israel to attack Iran?

Obama has taken steps to facilitate an attack on Iran and to delay it until after his own hoped-for reelection..."


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Military Preparing For 'What May Come' from Iran: MacKay

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/10/military-preparing-for-what-may-com...

"Canada's military is preparing for all possibilities including Iran, according to Defence Minister Peter MacKay. 'We are pursuinmg every diplomatic means, but the fact remains we have to be prepared for what may come and that's something the national defence department takes very seriously,' MacKay said to Sun News.."


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