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Uganda: Obama's Next Target

Manic Wombat
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So recently I heard that Obama is sending 100 troops to Uganda to take out the leader of the Lord's Resistance Army, Joseph Kony.

 

Right after taking out Gadaffi. He sends troops into the country which apparently has had a large showing of mourners of Gadaffi's death recently. Into yet another oil rich country (recently found to be even richer) headed by Mousevini who seems to be a Western stooge.

 

Does anyone have any information on the Lord's Resistance Army? All I can find are reports of them using child soldiers and other damning reports, most of which are the same reports repeated all over the place.

 

Is this Kony fellow a real bad dude or is he really a part of the Ugandan resistance which has been fighting against Western-backed stooges for years and years?

 

I'm genuinely curious if anyone has any good reading material on the subject. I believe Obama also mentioned (though not in these words) he would be chasing the LRA members from country to country as they apparently occupy South Sudan and the Congo.

 

I'm really disturbed by all these new Africa missions. Seems like the U.S. is ramping up the speed at which they're rolling out the troops in order to compete with China.

 

An comments or articles?


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Kony is a megalomaniac with a messiah complex. The LRA isn't some kind of resistance movement to be supported. That being said to have survived this long, there must be some social basis of support. I'm willing to bet that the fact it still exists is due to its soldiers being recruited being recruited because they are disillusioned with the Museveni's rule which has descended into despotism with him rewriting the constitution and invading the DR Congo and supporting rebels there. He's pro-Western so you really don't see that many people in Western governments denouncing him. While the anti-gay law in Uganda got a lot of bad press in the West, none of the Western nations really did that much to stop the government from trying to enact the law. Imagine for a moment if Mugabe had tried to pass a law like that...


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toronto_radical wrote:

Kony is a megalomaniac with a messiah complex. The LRA isn't some kind of resistance movement to be supported. That being said to have survived this long, there must be some social basis of support. I'm willing to bet that the fact it still exists is due to its soldiers being recruited being recruited because they are disillusioned with the Museveni's rule which has descended into despotism with him rewriting the constitution and invading the DR Congo and supporting rebels there. He's pro-Western so you really don't see that many people in Western governments denouncing him. While the anti-gay law in Uganda got a lot of bad press in the West, none of the Western nations really did that much to stop the government from trying to enact the law. Imagine for a moment if Mugabe had tried to pass a law like that...

 

Ahh but which acting "revolutionary" hasn't had a bit of a messiah complex?

Thanks for the info, friend. Sounds like a sticky situation.

 

Haha, Bec! The verbal vomit of a blathering shill does not shed light on a situation!


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Manic Wombat wrote:

Haha, Bec! The verbal vomit of a blathering shill does not shed light on a situation!

 

 

Yeah, I was kind of using the reverse philosophy thing there... I figured between radical's and mine posts you'd be smart enough to figure out the LRA is not a good organization to back if you're progressive (especially the farther left you are).

 

This one's a real sand trap.

 


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I wouldn't attach too much ideological weight to the fact that Limbaugh claims to oppose the LRA. I'm pretty sure he just heard that Obama was sending troops to oppose them, and then heard that they were Christian, and then tied those two facts together in order to wave his usual "Obama is a Muslim who hates Christians" flag.

From what I can tell, the LRA was allied with anti-Muslim militias in southern Sudan(as per what Limbaugh said), but they've also killed a fair number of Christians, burning churches full of people and whatnot.

 


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Manic Wombat
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Sure, Bec. If I appeared to be in support of the group I apologize. I am not. Just curious and interested in learning more.

Thanks, voice of the damned! Interesting article. Though, the UK were the imperial power trying to control the area before the U.S.A. came along so their media sources will be biased.

I do think I've read enough; however, to deem the group as non-progressive (I think the most I did was suggest that they may not be perceived as the enemy to many people living over there). It's a very sad state of affairs in all.


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voice of the damned wrote:

I wouldn't attach too much ideological weight to the fact that Limbaugh claims to oppose the LRA.  

 

My point was he supported them until that girl they mutilated shoved her foot up his ass and twisted it... It takes allot to get Rush to back down.

 

But I agree with your assessment; he was just using them as a platform to attack Obama and got burned this time because he really was clueless as to how brutal they can be.


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Recent events make this thread relevant again.

 

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kony2012/kony_5.html

 

Slick site... too slick.

 

Has anyone heard about this Kony 2012 thing? They're going to be plastering signs and whatnot all around my city this weekend, campaigning to "Stop Kony"! The 30 minute "documentary" is hideously creepy in its simplicity and lack of any critical analysis of the issues in Uganda. It is one of the most heavy-handed things I've ever seen in my life. Yet it's growing at such an incredible rate. Unprecedented even. Saying anything contrary to the video's "findings" in the comment section of the video/Facebook makes you a horrible person who doesn't care about Africans.

 

For those too lazy to watch, let me break it down. "I didn't know about Kony and the LRA until I met Jacob (brother of boy who was killed by Kony's soldiers). Kony is the worst person in the world and nobody even knows about him, I thought if I told the government they'd do something. But apparently there's no resources over there we can exploit so nobody was interested. Then I formed this group and now the government's finally listening because of YOUR VOICES! So now we're gonna find Kony and GIT HIM like I promised Jacob I would."

 

Tell me that ain't creepy. Or watch the film and tell me that AIN'T ... the creepiest piece of propaganda you've ever seen.

 

When one tries to take a deeper look at the organization/funding, it's not easy to find a whole lot. Apparently they've collected over 8 million dollars.

 

Again, I realize now the situation in Uganda is exceedingly complex... but Murka is in there, the government is a puppet government of the West. They have lots of oil and minerals.

 

What's going on here? I feel this whole thing is like that Avaaz group which sold my e-mail and now spams me with stuff about saving Syria from Assad by arming the opposition who has received recognition by the UK as the official opposition even though we don't know who anyone is. ALL reports from inside/near Syria spawn from this Avaaz group ... it all seems like a bloody movie.


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The Lord's Resistance Army is A Front Group

http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2011/10/lords-resistance-army-front-group

"...While the LRA is also supported by Uganda's factions opposed to the Museveni dictatorship, it is widely believed the LRA is a tool of the Museveni government used to manipulate public opinion, create chaos across the region, gain international sympathy from foreign donors and thereby procure massive financial backing to facilitate some of the world's most lucrative and unappreciated AID for ARMS scams. It is the perfect ruse to facilitate permanent foreign military intervention.."

From Merchants of Death: Exposing Corporate Financed Holocaust in Africa  - by Keith Harmon Snow

 

INVISIBLE CHILDREN Has Made A First Class Propaganda Film That Will Help Pave the Way For US Imposition of AFRICOM (the USAfricaMilitary Command)

http://congofriends.blogspot.com/2012/03/invisible-children-has-made-fir...

"This is classic propaganda. Dr Goebbels would have been proud of this piece by Invisible Children..."

more info on Africa is on the 'African Affairs Western Agendas' thread. See especially the pieces by Keith Harmon Snow.


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We got trouble

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Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 32% went to direct services (page 6), with much of the rest going to staff salaries, travel and transport, and film production. This is far from ideal for an issue which arguably needs action and aid, not awareness, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/4 stars because they lack an external audit committee. But it goes way deeper than that.

The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money supports the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission. Thesebooks each refer to the rape and sexual assault that are perennial issues with the UPDF, the military group Invisible Children is defending.

Still, the bulk of Invisible Children’s spending isn’t on supporting African militias, but on awareness and filmmaking. Which can be great, except that Foreign Affairs has claimed that Invisible Children (among others) “manipulates facts for strategic purposes, exaggerating the scale of LRA abductions and murders and emphasizing the LRA’s use of innocent children as soldiers, and portraying Kony — a brutal man, to be sure — as uniquely awful, a Kurtz-like embodiment of evil.” He’s certainly evil, but exaggeration and manipulation to capture the public eye is unproductive, unprofessional and dishonest.

As Chris Blattman, a political scientist at Yale, writes on the topic of IC’s programming, “There’s also something inherently misleading, naive, maybe even dangerous, about the idea of rescuing children or saving of Africa. […] It hints uncomfortably of the White Man’s Burden. Worse, sometimes it does more than hint. The savior attitude is pervasive in advocacy, and it inevitably shapes programming. Usually misconceived programming.”


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Manic Wombat wrote:

So recently I heard that Obama is sending 100 troops to Uganda to take out the leader of the Lord's Resistance Army, Joseph Kony.

 

Right after taking out Gadaffi. He sends troops into the country which apparently has had a large showing of mourners of Gadaffi's death recently. Into yet another oil rich country (recently found to be even richer) headed by Mousevini who seems to be a Western stooge.

Yes, and Muamar Qaddafi is a one-time ally of Museveni and rebels. Today Museveni is a proxy stooge for the U.S. and western corporations and is Uganda's president for life.

The LRA has been murdering and raping Africans for more than two decades while the U.S. did nothing and said nothing about it. The only time the U.S. is interested in another country's dictatorship is typically when the tyrrant has something Warshington or its corporations want. Africa is a treasure trove of mineral and oil wealth. It's not difficult to guess what they are after in Africa, and it most certainly will have nothing to do with protecting the rights of ordinary Africans.


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Catchfire wrote:

We got trouble

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Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. ...

The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money supports the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission. Thesebooks each refer to the rape and sexual assault that are perennial issues with the UPDF, the military group Invisible Children is defending.

I could not find it, but various web sites condemn Invisible Children website for having re-published Wired Magazine's article: PENTAGON: Drones can stop the next Darfur  Apparently Museveni's Uganda is the recipient of $45 million in annual US aid. Museveni's Uganda is outfitted with U.S.-based General Robotics Corp. Predator drones and recently the larger General Robotics Reaper UAV drones(2008) equipped with hellfire bombs. Despicable.


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Secrets Why Obama May Target Museveni After Gaddafi Leaked

http://redpepper.co.ug/welcome/?p=3472

"...The Iranian offer appeared healthy, or even irresistable for Uganda, which has struck oil wells with an estimated 2 billion barrels, but is struggling to extract the gas amid technological and resource hamstrings. Analysts say if Uganda proceeds with an Iran oil deal, the Western powers may try to destabilize it in order to stall the process of oil extraction.

In fact, Western leaders read Museveni's letter and scribbled down some notes. The fact is there is a serious struggle for oil going on all over the world and the feeling is that Libya is just the beginning of the process in Africa.."

Joseph Kony is Not in Uganda (and other complicated things)

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/03/07/guest_post_joseph_kony_is...

"...To call the campaign a misrepresentation is an understatement. But if the most impactful result of Invisible Children's campaign is to cause millions of viewers to think Northern Uganda is a war zone, even if it is not their intention, it's hard to defend."

Invisible Children's campaign may well be designed to advance manufacture of consent for a US AFRICOM 'regime change of Museveni and a takeover of Uganda's oil wealth.


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I don't trust either side. White people need to stop working in africa, and if the west would leave it alone it would heal and completely be heaven the second before it happened.

 

 

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The LRA was operating in the north Ugandan bush when I travelled through the region twenty years ago. Back then the word on the ground wasn't positive, far from it. Kony sounded like a crazy man and they were a very bloody outfit, the whole abducting children for soldiers thing...while I'm suspicious of any drummed up western based campaign against them, I believe the LRA really are a bad business; its a mystery Museveni and the Ugandan Army haven't managed to shut them down, they've been fighting them for decades...

 


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I was covering Kony and the LRA 20 years ago.  I got information from stringers working in a number of African countries (the stringers were citizens of African countries, not Westerners working there).  Kony and the LRA have little to do with the complexity of Ugandan politics, even less to do with Christianity and nothing at all to do with being "resistance fighters".  Kony is a power-hungry megalomaniac whose entire raison d'etre is control through fear and brute force.  He and his followers are unabashedly evil.  The Kony2012 video only scratches the surface of what the LRA has being doing, with impunity, for decades.

I don't know much about Invisible Children, and yes the video is simplistic and emotionally manipulative.  And there is something creepy about using a Republican as a political spokesperson.  But, on a very personal level, I really don't care.  It isn't about Uganda - the LRA operates throughout the region in several countries - and it isn't about US funding or Western interests (or lack thereof).  The fact that other armed "resistance groups" employ the same tactics of child abduction, sexual slavery of young girls, emotional and physical torture of children and mass murder does not detract from the horror of Kony and the LRA. 

The man and his raping mudering thugs needed to be stopped nearly 30 years ago.  If this Invisible Children group does the trick, good for them.  I don't care what or who it takes for people to take notice and to care enough about stopping this monster to pressure those with the power to do so to get off their collective asses, hunt the man and his followers down and arrest them for crimes against humanity.

Save your cynicism and critical analysis for those who don't even pretend to care, much less act.  Get the job done.

ETA: I spent several years reporting exclusively on human rights and social justice issues.  At the end, I was so burnt out that I quit working for the alternative media and didn't watch, listen to or read a news report for years after.  The LRA issue was one I covered in depth and over a period of years and was one of the most stressful to report on.  So yes, this is personal for me.


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Rebecca West wrote:
I don't care what or who it takes for people to take notice and to care enough about stopping this monster to pressure those with the power to do so to get off their collective asses, hunt the man and his followers down and arrest them for crimes against humanity.

I understand your long-time and close knowledge of the crimes of this man and his organization. But your passionate appeal here is not that much different from what we all heard, from progressive quarters, about the Taliban, about Saddam Hussein, about Gaddafi... I can't share your plea for "those with the power to do so" to take action here, any more than we supported "those with the power to do so" to bring about "regime change" in those other countries.

 


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Another issue here is the project to partition Sudan into Muslim and Christian regions, separate nations essentially, thereby creating another beachhead in central Africa for evangelical and political NGOs to lay their peculiar groundwork, and the need to lay the initial groundwork for all of that with stability within the region being cleaved away from the whole. The LRA, while in the past has proven itself useful to some interests in a destabilizing role, as it certainly performed in southern Sudan, has outlived its usefulness where larger interests are at stake.


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Slumberjack wrote:

Another issue here is the project to partition Sudan into Muslim and Christian regions, separate nations essentially, thereby creating another beachhead in central Africa for evangelical and political NGOs to lay their peculiar groundwork, and the need to lay the initial groundwork for all of that with stability within the region being cleaved away from the whole. The LRA, while in the past has proven itself useful to some interests in a destabilizing role, as it certainly performed in southern Sudan, has outlived its usefulness where larger interests are at stake.

This is true.  History shows us that political partitions along ethnic and religious lines rarely produce the desired result - and end to violence and the preservation of civilian lives.

Unionist, just to be clear, military intervention by the US in Uganda is as wrong as wrong can be.  Sending 100 "advisors" into Uganda won't accomplish much - the solution is more complex and needs to be spearheaded by the governments of the countries affected by the LRA and others of their ilk.  Much blame for the continued existence of groups like the LRA is due to sociopathically self-serving US foreign policy and the legacy of European colonialism.  We all know well enough that Western military interventions - whether overtly for self-interest or vaguely cloaked as "humanitarian assistance" are, almost without exception, disastrous for the people they claim to assist.  We just can't seem to resist the urge to shit in others' backyards.

What is important, however, is reaching people - especially those of us who enjoy incredible privilege in the global community - and educating them on the issues.  Get conversations started, get people caring, speaking out, and acting.  Yes, the Invisible Children campaign is simplistic, but it's a start.  If you can reach well-meaning but clueless liberals, you can put pressure on the US to rethink a dangerously stupid and myopic foreign policy that props up corrupt puppet regimes who care nothing about safeguarding their citizens' rights and freedoms.


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Rebecca West wrote:

  Yes, the Invisible Children campaign is simplistic, but it's a start.

NDPP

"Invisible Children has made a First Class Propaganda Film That Will Help Pave the Way for US Imposition of AFRICOM."

 

AFRICOM Backs Bloodshed in Central Africa  - by Keith Harmon Snow

http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/04/africom-backs-bloodshed-in-central-afr...


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Affleck’s ‘humanitarianism’ operates behind the western disinformation campaign that charges Congolese men with using ‘rape as a weapon of war’—an agenda also pushed by Eve Ensler (of Vagina Monologues fame)—but fails to address the true perpetrators of crimes, including the many mining, private military, intelligence and other military interests involved in bloodshed and plunder. The ‘rape as a weapon of war’ framework facilitates western ignorance of the true perpetrators of war, including western agents, weapons brokers, mercenary companies, proxy forces, NATO and AFRICOM, and U.S. brokered military hardware (AK-47s, rockets, armored personnel carriers, tanks, grenades, surface-to-air missiles). Hillary Clinton’s denunciation of “rape as a weapon of war” in July 2009 covered up her negotiations with Joseph Kabila regarding the Clinton aligned diamond interests in DRC.

Speaking of propaganda ... too bad the writer of the article chose to throw the issue of rape in civil conflict under the bus to advance the obvious -- that powerful Western interests are all too eager to back any tyrant in order to exploit African wealth and resources.


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'THE RAPE IN CONGO narrative is being used to cover up the truth of western mining, AFRIKOM involvement and of Western misery industry plunder. The Western media propaganda campaign for 'an end to sexual violence in Congo' must be placed in its proper context: white supremacy and the shock doctrine of global corporate plunder. In this context rape and depopulation are permanent conditions..' Perhaps the relevent question is what Eve Ensler chose to throw under the bus..?

Three Cheers For Eve Ensler?  - by Keith Harmon Snow

http://allthingspass.com/journalism.php?catid=14



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KONY 2012: Viral Video For the Misinformed?

http://rt.com/news/koni-viral-video-campaign-133/

"...But dig a bit deeper and one might want to think twice before donating to the Invisible Children charity..."


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NDPP wrote:

'THE RAPE IN CONGO narrative is being used to cover up the truth of western mining, AFRIKOM involvement and of Western misery industry plunder. The Western media propaganda campaign for 'an end to sexual violence in Congo' must be placed in its proper context: white supremacy and the shock doctrine of global corporate plunder. In this context rape and depopulation are permanent conditions..' Perhaps the relevent question is what Eve Ensler chose to throw under the bus..?

The proper context for rape as a tool of terror and control? Do you have any idea of what that statement means?  What it sublimates?

Happy Int'l Women's Day, BTW.


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I think rape and looting is how the mercenaries are paid for their efforts. Terrorizing women also serves another purpose, and that is to create a situation of chaos and overwhelming sense of despair that nothing will change for the better. As William Blum says, it's about killing hope. The Romans brutalized people in the colonies. The dark ages that followed were a glorious time as far as barbarian warlords were concerned. And the School of the Americas is infamous for producing students of rape and torture as methods of suppressing the peasant classes in Latin America. To terrorize women is to oppress about one-half the population right off the bat. If at least one half the population feel there is no hope for a better future and the local men are neutralized as a side effect, then hope for a better way is effectively extinguished. It's all about maintaining chaos and despair while foreign corporations and even western governments finance mercenaries and private militias to make real estate grabs on behalf of white people with money and means. Some prominent Canadians and Americans have had financial interests in the economic rape and ongoing genocides in the Congo and various parts of Africa. 

Some recent history on Uganda, Rwanda and Congo genocides:

]U.S./U.K. Allies Grab Congo Riches and Millions Die 2001-03 UN Expert Reports

Peter Erlinder wrote:
After Museveni seized power in 1986, Uganda became, and remains, a major recipient of British aid to Africa, as well as the beneficiary of British military training and armaments.20 After Museveni took power, the CIA also established its major African electronic listening post in Kampala, Uganda's capital. And, Kagame's long-standing Pentagon ties can be traced to the 1980's and he was actually had been receiving U.S. officer training in Ft. Leavenworth Kansas which he returned to Uganda, then Rwanda, to lead the 1990 invasion. His reputation in U.S. military circles remained intact when he seized power in 1994,21 during his first invasion of the Congo in 199622 AND during the 1998 second Congo invasion.
Evidence of the Museveni/Kagame/Nkunda tripartite axis of evil in Central Africa rarely sees the light of day. As long as they are dedicated anti-communists and general all around sonsobitches, then you can bet they are friends of the Anglo-American elite.

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I agree about the Museveni/Kagame/Nkunda tripartite of evil, and I completely understand the use of the word "rape" as a reference to what Western imperialist policy is doing -- has been doing for a few hundred years -- but when women and young girls are targeted, especially young girls, who are less likely to have contracted AIDS ... but after being sex slaves in "rebel" camps quite often contract it, making them more necessary as child soldiers than sex slaves, it becomes a humanitarian issue.

This isn't an issue confined to Africa, of course.  This is a global issue, and civil war is just an excuse for the exercise of power over those who have the least power -- usually women and young girls.  However, this thread is about Africa, and the damage that has been done by colonial powers in the past, and corporate powers today.

This issue, the rape of women and children, isn't a footnote in world politics.  It's a major issue.

 


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NDPP wrote:

KONY 2012: Viral Video For the Misinformed?

http://rt.com/news/koni-viral-video-campaign-133/

"...But dig a bit deeper and one might want to think twice before donating to the Invisible Children charity..."

No doubt a great video and impossible to discount...however when you look at the policy makers your supposed to contact ..many of which are war criminals that pale anything Kony ever did..like the massacre of a million people and the genocide they are still partaking in...a big question mark develops ...and reeks of political interferance of some kind  and now that oil is added it is a slam dunk who is behind it. Makes me wonder now about the oil reserves discovered of the coast of Israel and the political ramifications there ..Is it Paestinian oil?  Guess will have to wait for that video to come out to decide..

If this video included Bush, NATO, Condelsa rice and Rumsfield and even Harper and Blair it would be more credible...and I bet it wouldn't reach viral status.

Then to make matters even worse there is an anonymous video out supporting this vid...if you ever wondered if or can anonymous be cia , that pretty well spells out it is entirely possible...now everything has to be filtered thru the eyes of disinformation tactics.

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-QvXax88J8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eQgUpkJ1Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns8LD5Q8ecc


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Good analysis in that post Fidel.


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Thing about Anonymous, Buddy, is even if it didn't start out CIA, it will surely end with them. It's a perfect opportunity to co-opt a popular movement. Who will ever know?

 

As for the oil off the Israeli coast, is there a thread on that? I believe it's the Leviathan field. I think it'll be Turkey/Israel fighting over rights for that one. I think the Syrian situation is somehow connected as well. The current Syrian pipelines are, correct me if I'm wrong, owned and run by France and Russia, Total and Gazprom, those pipelines which the MSM would have us believe are being destroyed by Assad's forces :P. If you look at the Shtokman project, the images don't really show how south the pipeline will reach.

 

Could the Syrian destabalization effort be to push those two countries out of Syria? Leaving Leviathan wide-open for Israel ... it will be able to pass through the Meditarranean rather than the Persian Gulf.

 

Dunno ... just thinking aloud.


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