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Hoodeet
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Was that  tongue-in-cheek,  B de C?

On a related subject, a dozen or so French military operatives,including a high-ranking intelligence officer, have been captured inside Syria by gov't forces; France is trying to negotiate their release via Turkey but the Syrian govt. (last I heard, 2 days ago) was not budging.


Hoodeet
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howeird beale wrote:

Exactly. A pig is a pig.

Hoodeet (JW)

 

Disagreement:

1) Please stop dissing pigs.

2) Don't even compare that slimeball servant of US corporate interests -him of the narco warlord brother- with the reluctant Assad, who is trying to hold together the last secular state where ethnic war has not yet taken root.  

 


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Syrian Christian Reminds French FM Syria Is Loyal To Its Ancestors

http://counterpsyops.com/2012/02/29/syrian-christian-reminds-french-fm-t...

"Here is a letter to French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe who recently said in an interview with Lebanon's as-Sefi newspaper: 'I would like to say to the Christians of the East. France will not abandon them..'

"...I will tell you the following: if the Christians of the East really need protection, it is from you whom they need protection and from the gangs allied with you that have terrorised the peaceful population. These gangs initially did not distinguish between Christians and Muslims, but because you choose to limit your letter to them, I will talk to you in the same context..."


Hoodeet
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Oh yes. Remind us again, M. Sarkozy, about how you have aided the thousands of Christians displaced by the war in Iraq.  That should be a helpful indication of what you'll do for Syria's Christian minority -- not to mention the Druze and the Allawites.

 


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They Won't Stop Until There's No One Else Left To Kill  -  by Arthur Silber

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2012/02/they-wont-stop-until-theres...

"...In the present case I do not doubt that the Syrian government is brutal and murderous, nor do I doubt that it is committing various atrocities. Nonetheless -- and I do realize this is astounding and staggering news to many Americans -- whatver may be going on in Syria is no goddamned business of the US government.

It is Obama who claims the 'right' to murder anyone in the world, including American citizens, whenever he chooses, for whatever reason he wishes. He further claims that his 'right' is absolute, subject to no review or check whatsoever. So, Mr Obama, and I say this with all the respect you have earned: It is time for YOU to move on..."


Fidel
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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Meanwhile: The 4th Armoured Division commanded by Maher al-Assad, the president's younger brother is poised to crush the rebelion in Baba Amro in Homs.

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The 4th Armoured Division commanded by Maher al-Assad, the president's younger brother, has a reputation for ruthlessness burnished during the past year of revolt and forged in history.

Drawn from the Alawite sect to which the Assads belong, it is hated by many in the Sunni majority who recall the role its predecessor units played in massacring many thousands of Sunni Islamists at Hama in 1982 on the orders of Assad's father Hafez.

 

Hopefully Assad can squash the rebellion before NATO gets its excuse to move. This should be a rather quick one sided fight..

I wouldn't worry too much about the Syrian oppo or Al-Qa'eda in Homs. They must know what they are in to by now. And surely they are being supplied with guns and anti-tank weapons from someone. Okay, that's a source for exclusive membership and rumored to be linked to Israeli intel, so whatever. I mean, they must be rx'ing aid from someone. I don't believe the CIA or Brits would leave them hung out to dry. And besides, any civilian casualties can be pinned on Assad in making a case for blitzkrieg and marching soldiers into Syria we can be sure.

Bec.De.Corbin
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Hoodeet wrote:

Was that  tongue-in-cheek,  B de C?

 

No I'm dead serious; the sooner this rebellion is over (crushed) the better. The rebels won't be able to stop that tank division once it starts its assault. I hope the UN can't move fast enough to give NATO its excuse referendum to bomb that unit before it completes its attack to retake those cites.

As for the French thing I haven't seen anything posted on it from PressTV by NDPP so I really don't believe it.

@Fidel: I don't care what weapons the rebels get from whom... unless it's full out air power and modern heavy equipment like tanks the (unpopular) rebels can't hold off an all out assault from an elite division that has all its support units in place. If the story about the 4th Tank Division is true this should end soon.

 


Fidel
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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:
I hope the UN can't move fast enough to give NATO its excuse referendum to bomb that unit before it completes its attack to retake those cites.

I don't believe NATO countries will be allowing referenda on anything soon and especially not EU memberships or their austerity measures forced on millions of people. No, and I don't think there will be referenda here in North America on whether to bomb and invade Syria or other countries on their hit list. The corporatocracy is fearful that the results would not support their fascist agenda.


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Syrian rebels quit besieged Homs stronghold

 

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Defeated Syrian rebels left their shattered stronghold in the city of Homs on Thursday after a bloody 26-day army siege aimed at crushing a symbol of the year-long revolt against President Bashar al-Assad.

 

Activists said a few fighters had stayed on in the Baba Amro district, which has endured weeks of shelling, sniper fire and privation, to cover their comrades' "tactical withdrawal." Soon afterward, the international Red Cross said Syrian authorities had finally given it permission to take aid into the district on Friday.

 

That was fast; looks like no NATO Calvary to the rescue for those guys.

 


NDPP
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Hamas Aligns Itself With US Imperialism Against Syria, Iran

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/mar2012/hama-m01.shtml

"...the Palestine Islamist movement has found new patrons among the most reactionary regimes of the Middle East.."


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Hoodeet wrote:

howeird beale wrote:

Exactly. A pig is a pig.

Hoodeet (JW)

 

Disagreement:

1) Please stop dissing pigs.

2) Don't even compare that slimeball servant of US corporate interests -him of the narco warlord brother- with the reluctant Assad, who is trying to hold together the last secular state where ethnic war has not yet taken root.  

 

 

Reluctant? Puh-leeze


Fidel
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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:
@Fidel: I don't care what weapons the rebels get from whom... unless it's full out air power and modern heavy equipment like tanks the (unpopular) rebels can't hold off an all out assault from an elite division that has all its support units in place. If the story about the 4th Tank Division is true this should end soon.
 

But these are U.S. and British trained and armed Al-Qaeda and affiliated right wing groups. Their Qaeda allies have anti-tank weapons, rpg's, guns and ammo. Surely they can take out a few more soldiers, civilians, bridges, dams, power stations, and the like? These slackers are sounding like Qaeda's wing in Libya calling for the luftwaffe to bail them now they are in deep. Where is their sense of superiority and sticktuitiveness? I'm sure SAS and CIA'da will come up with something. Syrians will rise up again we can be sure. As Hillary says, Assad is done.


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Western Bloodlust: Assad Days 'Numbered'...(and vid)

http://rt.com/news/cameron-assad-rebels-crescent-711/

"Statments from Western leaders in Syria have grown harsh, if not menacing, as criticism of the Bashar Assad government are unleashed and regime change becomes a common theme...

'There is a growing recognition that some of the fundamentalist Islamic groups, who probably make up 30 per cent of the armed insurgents are guilty of as much brutality as the Syrian army,' Aisling Byrne, a project coordinator at the Conflicts Forum, told RT. ' It is a guerrilla war. This is not a fight for democracy, but a fight to introduce a hardline Sunni regime." (see vid)


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Syria: One Country, Two Stories  - by William Bowles

http://williambowles.info/2012/03/03/syria-one-country-two-stories-by-wi...

"The battle that has been raging in the southern Syrian city of Homs and that now seems to have been resolved with a 'win' for the government, though it would seem at a terrible cost in lives, is now the subject of a follow-up by the MSM, how to care for the survivors, and what exactly went on in Homs? This is how the BBC reported it:"

see also 'Syria newslinks' at page bottom


Merowe
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While I'm pleased to see the Star Wars narrative pushed by the MSM - with its heroic Rebel Alliance - has had to adapt to the greater complexity of tiresome reality, there are still vast gaps in their tale. What actually happened in the epicenter of Homs is one such mystery. Why would a bunch of rebels attempt to occupy part of a city? Did they think they could hold it against the Syrian Army, which distinguished itself previously in the massacre at Hama? This seems to me a leading question yet I haven't seen it taken up anywhere. How was the doomed occupation of Homs to translate into wider action against the regime? Was it part of a wider strategy, or did they just unthinkingly throw their lives away, I can't believe that. Did the rebels think their sacrifice - and that of the civilians in the neighbourhoods they dug in to - would inspire other areas, towns, provinces to rise up as well, were they drunk on the excitement, the possibility, that Obama-style hopey thing? Why the singular concentration in Homs? And now we see the fighters have withdrawn, leaving behind a destroyed suburb. For what? Presumably they are regrouping, but what next? Some more bombs in otherwise peaceful cities? Another occupation, another army encirclement and destruction? I can't see how one can even begin to model the situation there without answers to such questions.


NDPP
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Syria and 'Conspiracy Theories' : It Is a Conspiracy  -  by Felicity Arbuthnot

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29596

"...There will be no peace. At any given moment for the rest of our lifetimes, there will be multiple conflicts in mutating forms around the globe. Violent conflict will dominate the headlines...The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To these ends, we will do a fair amount of killing..."


NDPP
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'Hostile States Will Step Up Proxy War in Syria' (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/230100.html

"A retired Lebanese military official says foreign countries are intensifying their support to Syrian opposition forces to topple Bashar-al-Assad's government..."

'Rebels Killed Western Journalists in Syria, not Assad's Army'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/230073.html

"A medical source says armed groups killed the two Western journalists in Syria, rejecting allegations that they died in government shelling, Press TV reports. According to a source working for the office of the medical examiner in Syria, a nail was found in the skull of US journalist Marie Colvin, which proves she was killed by a home made bomb.

The source added that Syrian doctors have not removed the nail from Colvin's head so that US coroners can also find the real cause of her death.."


NDPP
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Report: 13 French Officers Captured in Syria

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4198622.html

"Lebanese media says Western troops already present in embattled Homs,,,The Daily Star's source further claimed that Paris and Damascus are in the midst of negotiations to free the soldiers..the French Foreign Ministry dismissed the report insisting that 'not a single French soldier is on Syrian soil.."

McCain Calls for Airstrikes in Syria

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/05/mccain-calls-for-airstrikes-in-syria/

"To be clear: This will require the United States to suppress enemy air defenses in at least part of the country,' McCain said. 'The ultimate goal of airstrikes should be to establish and defend safe havens in Syria, especially in the north in which opposition forces can organize and plan their political and military activities against Assad.."


NDPP
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Part 1: Addounia TV Exposes Insurgent Fabrications About Syrian Government 'Massacres' Broadcast by Mainstream Media (and vids)

http://lizzie-phelan.blogspot.com/2012/03/part-1-addounia-tv-exposes-ins...

The manufacture of 'consent': the first casualty of war is Truth..


NDPP
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Canada Closes Embassy in Syria (and vid)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/05/pol-baird-foreign.html

"...International consensus is that this regime has lost all legitimacy and the only course of action  is for Assad to leave and leave now,' Baird said at a press conference in Ottawa. NDP foreign affairs critic Helene Laverdiere, a former diplomat, said the government has legitimate concerns for the safety of Canadian personnel in Damascus.

'We have been asking the government for weeks now to recall the Canadian ambassador. We still think it would have been a good move. It would have sent a statement to the Assad regime to recall the ambassador and could have been done weeks ago while the embassy could have still been working on the ground,' she said."

Canada Targets Syrian Central Bank in New Sanctions

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/05/canada-targets-syrian-central-bank...

"Canada imposed Monday a fresh round of sanctions on Syria targeting the central bank and seven cabinet ministers in a bid to halt President Bashar al Assad's deadly crackdown on dissent. THe Canadian embassy in Damascus and a consulate were also shuttered, and Canadian diplomats left the country, the foreign ministry said.

'The continuing appalling violence perpetrated by the Assad regime on the people of Syria compels us to again tighten the vice on those responsible, Foreign Minister John Baird said in a statement."


NDPP
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In Syria, Al Jazeera's Credibility Implodes  -  by Peter Lee

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30723.htm

"...Al Jazeera seems to be writing its own professional obituary...people inside Al Jazeera are disgusted by the propaganda work of the network in the last few months.

Ibrahim also spoke of how Syrian activists invited onto Al Jazeera use terms of sectarian incitement on air, ' which Syrians understand very well.' They also confirmed an allegation Ibrahim had reportedly made in one of her emails: That Ahmad Ibrahim, who is in charge of the channel's Syria coverage, is the brother of Anas al Abdeh, a leading member of the opposition Syrian National Council.."

AJ exec and former CBC current affairs head Tony Burman obviously  taught them everything they know..


NDPP
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Anti-Syria Bids Reprisal For Anti-War Front (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/230208.html

Panel discussion with Lizzie Phelan, Omar Nashabe and Jeff Cohen

 


NDPP
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Stratfor Leaks: NATO Commandos in Illegal Special-Ops in Syria

http://rt.com/news/stratfor-syria-secret-wikileaks-989/

"Undercover NATO troops are already in Syria despite denials from their parent governments, according to a leaked brief from a highly placed analyst. 'The idea 'hypothetically' is to commit guerrilla attacks, assassination campaigns, and try to break the back of the Alawite forces, and elicit collapse from within'.."

 

Mossad, CIA and Blackwater Operate in Syria: Report

http://rt.com/news/cia-blackwater-mossad-syria-037/

"A security operation in Homs reveals Mossad, CIA and Blackwater are involved in the military violence in this part of Syria, as over 700 Arabs and Western gunmen and Israeli, American and European made weapons were detained in Baba Amr district. Western powers however have categorically denied any military involvement in the Syrian internal conflict..."


NDPP
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Syria: Game Over For Western Propaganda - by Tony Cartalucci

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/03/syria-game-over-for-western-pr...

"Why should [Canada,] the US, UK, EU or the West's stable of Arab proxy-regimes be allowed to arm Syrian rebels admittedly carrying out their own horrific atrocities? Clearly Syria's opposition have turned out, just as they have in Libya, to be craven, murderous and ultimately deceitful extremists - making any further contact with them by the West a direct violation of their own national and international laws.

If it is possible for the international community to justify a foreign military doing what was done to Sirte, Libya in a crowded population center with absolute impunity, how can a sovereign nation seeking to restore order in its own city be criticized let alone sanctioned economically or militarily?

The West has lost all moral authority - authority that only billions of dollars in manipulative media and military supremacy can buy - but is easily lost as the facade begins to crumble. Most importantly, how long are people going to allow themselves to be lied to..?"

'Mr Speaker, we need more than just promises and rhetoric. Will the government ensure that the new sanctions against Syria will prevent its friends from doing business as usual when millions of civilians are being killed?' Helen Laverdiere, NDP Nov.21, 2011


Hoodeet
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NDPP wrote:

..." will prevent its friends from doing business as usual when millions of civilians are being killed?' Helen Laverdiere, NDP Nov.21, 2011

Hoodeet (JW)

And might I ask whom this well-informed luminary Laverdiere is supporting for the leadership??   And where she comes up with such brilliant political analysis?


Unionist
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Hoodeet wrote:

And might I ask whom this well-informed luminary Laverdiere is supporting for the leadership??  

She and her buddy Dewar obviously went to the same school. This is the kind of crap that passes for talent in the NDP.

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And where she comes up with such brilliant political analysis?

Hilary Clinton, only she multipies Clinton's civilian casualties by 1,000 because she's "progressive".

I find Hilary more reasonable and dispassionate when it comes to lying and preparing to justify invasion and murder, than Laverdière. Just a personal preference.


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NDPP wrote:

Mossad, CIA and Blackwater Operate in Syria: Report

http://rt.com/news/cia-blackwater-mossad-syria-037/

"A security operation in Homs reveals Mossad, CIA and Blackwater are involved in the military violence in this part of Syria, as over 700 Arabs and Western gunmen and Israeli, American and European made weapons were detained in Baba Amr district. Western powers however have categorically denied any military involvement in the Syrian internal conflict..."

 

 

And in that very same article you find this wonderful tidbit: "Salim Harba however said the Syrian authorities are not planning to reveal all the obtained information now, but assured all the evidence is of high value."

 

How convent, for everybody...

 

Are you sure your not posting stuff from The Onion?


NDPP
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Splintered Syria: Fear of Sectarian Violence (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/syria-sectarian-violence-fear-021/

"Our country, before the crisis [was] developing, now - we area all losing. Jesus said any kingdom that split will die fast. These people [foreign backed rebels] are receiving money and listening to other orders. They want to ruin this country.'..."

UN Syria Draft" US Attempts To Get Russia and China Aboard

http://www.rt.com/news/un-draft-us-syria-025/

"The US is pushing for a new UN resolution to resolve the Syrian crisis. The reaction from the Russian envoy to the UN is unclear, but Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov noted the US draft needs to be further worked out, calling it a 'slightly renewed version of the previous document,' vetoed by Russia and China.

Meanwhile the Obama administration will reportedly make a shift towards a more aggressive policy toward the Assad regime. Last week a group of senior White House officials met to finalize a package for aiding the Syrian opposition, both internal and external, according to a Foreign Policy report.

'These moves are going to invest the US in a much deeper sense with the opposition,' one administration official told the magazine. 'US policy is now aligned with enabling the opposition to overthrow the Assad regime. This codifies a significant change in our Syrian policy.'..."


M. Spector
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Conn Hallinan wrote:

There are two tales about the crisis in Syria.

In one, the vast majority of Syrians have risen up against the brutality of a criminal dictatorship. The government of Bashar al Assad is on the ropes, isolated regionally and internationally, and only holding on because Russia and China vetoed United Nations intervention. U.S. Secretary to State Hillary Clinton describes Assad as “a war criminal,” and President Barak Obama called him a “dead man walking.”

In the other, a sinister alliance of feudal Arab monarchies, the U.S. and its European allies, and al-Qaeda mujahedeen are cynically using the issue of democracy to overthrow a government most Syrians support, turn secular Syria into an Islamic stronghold, and transform Damascus into a loyal ally of Washington and Saudi Arabia against Iran and Lebanon’s Hezbollah.

Like most stories, there is truth and fiction in both versions, but separating myth from reality is desperately important, because Syria sits at the strategic heart of the Middle East. Getting it wrong could topple dominoes from Cairo to Ankara, from Beirut to Teheran.

Counterpunch


Doug
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That seemed reasonably balance except for one point - the polling. I don't think we can take those results as meaning much given the situation. If someone calls you up in Syria and asks if you support the government, chances are you're going to think about saying yes for your own good.


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