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Canada 'Cuts and Runs': The Afghan People Will Win - #26

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New Order of the Day in Afghanistan: Cut and Run  - by Scott Taylor

http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/70067-new-order-day-afghanistan-cut...

"As the entire Afghanistan intervention plunges towards an inevitable disastrous and bloody conclusion, Canada is leading the race to abandon ship...an inglorious ending looms large on the horizon, cutting and running seems to be the order of the day.."

and so the end draws near - ten years of blood and treasure and phony opposition has brought us to this point..


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Afghanistan: Are NATO Troops Out of Control? (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/Program/229904.html

"actions of NATO troops have shocked Afghans into reacting violently.."

panel discussion with Kevin OKeefe and others


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US To Hand Over Notorious Military Prison to Afghans

http://rt.com/usa/news/us-military-prison-bagram-205/

"More than a decade after America's war in Afghanistan began, the US will part with a notorious military prison there, signing off on Friday the control of the detention facility at the Bagram airbase to the Afghans. Speaking to Salon last year, Daphne Eviatar of Human Rights First said, 'There are no laws under the rules of war governing how you treat detainees, in this kind of armed conflict, at play in Afghanistan, so as a result, she added, 'The US government says that those laws don't apply beyond its own borders therefore no laws apply' at Bagram..."

Yet Canada handed over POWS just the same. Too bad all our pols conspired to bury the detainee issue.


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U.S. soldier murders 16 Afghan civilians in Kandahar

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Nato said it was investigating the "deeply regrettable incident".

 


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You know how they always report how many women and children the terrorists kill.

This one killed nine children and three women.

I suggest the proper course of action would be to hand him over to the Afghan authorities for proper interrogation and a fair trial.

Thoughts?

 


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Perhaps a case for psychiatrists to determine?

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Gaian wrote:
Perhaps a case for psychiatrists to determine?

Sure, no problem, if the Afghan authorities decide to have his case determined by psychiatrists, I could live with that.

Not sure he could...


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I just assumed that you were not simply asking the Romans for a thumbs up or thumbs down.

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Gaian wrote:
I just assumed that you were not simply asking the Romans for a thumbs up or thumbs down.

Not at all. I demanded a fair trial.


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:)

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R V Mohammed Gul: Can Insurgents Be Classified As Terrorists?

http://cageprisoners.com/our-work/opinion-editorial/item/3654-r-v-mohamm...?

"...Judge Paget's decision was not based on the assumption that Mohammed Gul was a potential terrorist or threat to the UK, but rather, that any armed attack against the Afghani government or the [NATO] coalition forces should be seen as being terrorist in its nature, thereby underming the very concept of self-determination.."

only in 'law' not in reality as proven and demonstrated by the Afghan resistance and NATO's defeat.


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Afghans have been winning for more than 30 years.

Shades of Pinochet's Chile and the National Stadium "penalty area." I think that's a foul.

When it comes to phony revolutions, nobody dances.


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US soldier kills 16 Afghans, deepening crisis

 

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An American soldier opened fire on villagers near his base in southern Afghanistan Sunday and killed 16 civilians, according to President Hamid Karzai, who called it an "assassination" and furiously demanded an explanation from Washington. Nine children and three women were among the dead.

The killing spree deepened a crisis between U.S. forces and their Afghan hosts over Americans burning Muslim holy books on a base in Afghanistan last month. The Quran burnings sparked weeks of violent protests and attacks that left some 30 dead. Six U.S. service members have been killed by their Afghan colleagues since the burnings came to light, and the violence had just started to calm down.

 

 


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re: "When it comes to phony revolutions, nobody dances"

...I agree:

"Between April 1978 and the Soviet invasion of December 1979, the Afghan Communists executed 27,000 political prisoners there..."

http://www.enotes.com/topic/Pul-e-Charkhi_prison

The Afghan people WILL win.


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Sorry but the CIA/ISI should have left the Marxist Taraki government alone in the same way they should have left Iran alone in 1953. The U.S. and friends have interfered with a lot more countries than just Afghanistan over several decades. Afghanistan is but one instance. Torture, basic human rights violations, and grinding poverty have become permanent features of U.S.-occupied Afghanistan. The CIA-ISI's Talibanization of Afghanistan and Pakistan since the 1980s and 90s was never agreed to by millions of desperately poor people living in those countries.

 


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Six UK Troops Killed in South Afghanistan (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/Program/230821.html

George: "In Afghanistan things go from bad to worse, mainly for the local Afghans who never aked for foreigners to be sent to their country to occupy it, burn their Qurans, bomb their villages and towns and kill their women and children. But a necessary consequence of a foreign invasion and occupation is resistance, and the Afghans are putting up a mighty resistance..."

George Galloway's Call in Comment program on Press TV: this week Afghanistan and other topics


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'US Forces Burned Bodies of Afghans After Massacre'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/231218.html

"Afghan eyewitnesses say US troops have burnt nearly a dozen bodies of the Afghan victims, whom American servicemen had earlier massacred. Villagers said the US forces later collected 11 of the bodies, including those of four girls under the age of six, and set them on fire.."

your allies Canada...


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Group of US Soldiers Murder 9 Kids and 3 Women in Afghanistan

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2012/03/group-of-us-soldiers-murder-9-kids...

"On 11 March 2012, a group of American soldiers murdered 16 civilians, including nine children in southern Kandahar province in Afghanistan. Witnesses say the American soldiers were laughing when they carried out the shootings. The US Embassy in Kabul said only one American soldier had been detained after the shootings.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai described the Kandahar attack as 'intellectual murder'. 'They poured chemicals over their dead  bodies and burned them,' Haji Samad told Reuters. A 15 year old survivoer named Rafiullah said that soldiers broke into his house, woke up his family and began shooting them..."


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Sixteen Afghan civilians killed in rogue U.S. attack

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The walls of the house were blood-splattered.

"They (Americans) poured chemicals over their dead bodies and burned them," Samad told Reuters at the scene.
Neighbors said they had awoken to crackling gunfire from American soldiers, who they described as laughing and drunk.
"They were all drunk and shooting all over the place," said neighbor Agha Lala, who visited one of the homes where killings took place.
"Their (the victims') bodies were riddled with bullets."


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/11/us-afghanistan-civilians-idUSB...

So much for the "mad-lone-gunman-isolated-event" meme.

They have commited the greatest war crime known to NATO--bad publicity.

If only they had murdered civilians the tried and true way--.without witnesses, or with drones.
Somebody could be repremanded for this.

Praise be all Canada's pro-NATO parties.


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contrarianna wrote:

Somebody could be repremanded for this.

If an Afghan had committed such a mass murder he would have been shot on sight and Americans would have cheered.

But in this case the American(s) responsible will be accorded a trial and probably end up with a psych discharge from the army as punishment.


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But in this case the American(s) responsible will be accorded a trial and probably end up with a psych discharge from the army as punishment.

And then he will run successfully for Congress as a Tea Party Republican. Or a Democrat.


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Hey...a Jingles sighting.


M. Spector
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Always a welcome sign of spring!


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Kandahar Butchery: Afghans Demand Local Justice Over Civilians' Massacre (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/afghanistan-public-trial-us-soldier-351/

"Afghanistan's parliament has condemned the killing of 16 civilians by an American sergeant on Sunday. It demands a public trial, saying Afghans have run out of patience with how the NATO-led coalition forces are acting in the country..."

 

With Friends Like This...

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/12/with-friends-like-these

"Incidents such as American soldiers urinating on dead Taliban, burning holy books and other outrages don't diminish Canada's exemplary conduct in Afghanistan. We can hold our head's high."

yeah right...


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Jeez, the military-industrial complex seems to be creating enemies for fun and profit in yet another country in Asia. When have they ever done that before? More evidence of phony war based on lies and deception. It's not whether they win or lose, it's how much money they can extort from their own taxpayers before the gig is up. This is how actual capitalism in America and the U.K. (and now Canada) works. 

Marx was right - capitalism is a nightmare.


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'Compassion Fatigue' Canada?

The 1000 or so CF  'trainers' in Afghanistan had best keep their heads down and watch where they tread and their Afghan 'students' hands, or they'll be joining the other hundred and a half or so of our glorious, useless dead. They should be pulled out of there ASAP. The Afghan people have had enough even if Canuckleheads don't much care -  and this will go bigger and not stop until NATO's murderous military psychos are gone from their country. Ten years the Canadian people let this thing go on. What a bloody shame...

After the party...

http://publicintelligence.net/graphic-photos-of-afghan-civilians-march-2...

we party too..

"There are calls for public oversight of an elite military unit amid allegations that a Canadian soldier was involved in an unlawful killing of an Afghan...'We know nothing about this formally,' said NDP MP Jack Harris. 'All we know is what individuals may tell us.'

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/12/01/canada-jtf2-investigation...

I'm sure we'd have heard back if Jack H had - right? (cue crickets)


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Parliament is broken, and it's all the NDP's fault!! *cue crickets


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seems to be working normally to me... As long as their big fat cheques cash eh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5sVSMQzwmQ

Afghan Tribal Leaders: Afghan Civilian Massacre Pre-Planned

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/231533.html

"The tribal leaders of the southern province of Kandahar said on Monday that several US forces, not a single soldier, contributed to the brutal carnage of Afghan civilians and that the violent actions had been planned previously. They say the carnage was in retaliation against a deadly bomb attack on the US troops in Zagabad district in the town of Panjwaii in the province of Kandahar, which inflicted serious damage on the American military forces.

Following the blast, the American forces summoned local Afghans and tribal leaders of the region and vowed a bloody revenge on their children and wives, Kandahar tribal leaders added. Local witnesses however, put the number of the victims at 18, saying nearly a dozen bodies of the Afghan victims were burnt after the slaughter..."


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It seems to me that youve implied the NDP are insiders to the specifics on torture and recent war crimes in the Afghanistan. You seem to be suggesting that the Harpers and Liberals before them have been perfectly transparent to public inquiries, and that if only the NDP would press them on these issues democracy might be served. 

And your conspiracy theory scenario is just not the case because Ottawa is broken. Our corrupt stooges have no incentive to be held accountable to the public however much as the NDP opposes the current setup. The only way our colonial administrators can be forced to stand up like men with spines and tell the truth, and not cunningly and willfully lie their bare faces off to Canada's Parliament, is if more Canadians vote NDP in opposing the corrupt stooges currently abusing phony majority dictatorial power in Ottawa.  


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Afghan official: Video shows soldier surrendering

 

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The U.S. soldier suspected of killing 16 Afghan villagers on a rampage was caught on surveillance video that showed him walking up to his base, laying down his weapon and raising his arms in surrender, according to an Afghan official who viewed the footage.


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