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NDP leadership race #121

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Brachina
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socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:

Don't you know on babble all slander is true until proven false? You guys have no evidence that these conspiracies aren't happening. The rumors were repeated in a random editorial with no evidence and two guys on a web forum say that everyone knows the rumors are true, so unless you have some evidence against it...

Lmfao. +1. I think its time to put the conspicy theories to bed, its time to move past the Thomas Mulcair as doctor evil trope.

Howard
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KenS wrote:

I'm lost, what is this slur the Topp campaign launched on Singh. You mentioned that Howard.

And if I havent heard of it, how is the CEO supposed to admonish the Topp campaign for it? You think the CEO is supposed to get involved in stories that circulate around?

As to why is the CEO only [obliquely] admonishing Singh 6 days after the comments. Simple: CEO's are picked because they are cautious people who dont shoot from the hip. And what of it if he was influenced by possible direct Topp campaign complaints to him. PART of whether you think actions/behaviour require a comment is how it is taken by other camps.

Rhakmetov is by no means the only one who goes bouncing off on conspiracy theories based on things heard.

Re-read the article. Singh is called Mulcair's attack dog and Jim Rutkowski, Brian Topp's campaign manager is the one that is pushing the lines, on the public record. Jim Rutkowski even says that it is the Mulcair campaign that should explain itself, not Singh. So not only is Singh slurred in a lengthy and quote riddled article as an "attack dog," Jim Rutkowski promotes the "he's a nobody" line forget about him and persecute Mulcair. Again...with what evidence? With what respect for your fellow candidates? Brian Topp campaign = "worst team players" hands down.


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Martin Singh may wish to ask Thomas Mulcair a question at today's debate.  Will Mr. Singh ask a hard or soft question?  I will guess that he will try not to ask any questions to Peggy Nash or Brian Topp as they will likely have a prepared response against him.


Boom Boom
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Interview with Thomas Mulcair on CTV's Question Period in a few minutes!

ETA: oops - I'm watching Newfoundland TV, so times will be different.


Howard
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Skinny Dipper wrote:

Martin Singh may wish to ask Thomas Mulcair a question at today's debate.  Will Mr. Singh ask a hard or soft question?  I will guess that he will try not to ask any questions to Peggy Nash or Brian Topp as they will likely have a prepared response against him.

If Martin Singh asks Thomas Mulcair a hard question, it is proof that he is Mulcair's attack dog and now, once exposed, must cover his tracks. All together now: conspiracy! conspiracy! conspiracy! Martin Singh = a robot mind controlled by Thomas Mulcair. Weeeeee! Wink


Howard
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Boom Boom wrote:

Interview with Thomas Mulcair on CTV's Question Period in a few minutes!

ETA: oops - I'm watching Newfoundland TV, so times will be different.

It looks like it is one of those relay interviews, where Mulcair has already been taped for answers, and Craig Oliver just has to watch them then write his own questions.


Boom Boom
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The host of QP (Bob Fife?)  said Craig Oliver interviewed Mulcair a day ahead so as to not interfere with Mulcair's debate preparation. Mulcair denied any deals whatsoever with the other candidates, and said the hype going around about something happening between him and Martin Singh is pure fabrication. He also eviscerated Nathan Cullen's co-operation plan, saying he is committed to fielding a full team of good, progressive NDP candidates across the country.


doofy
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Just came across this:

http://www.globalnews.ca/video/ndp+leadership+candidate+brian+topp+with+...

For the Topp supporters out there, please start watching at around the 7 min. mark.

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I really hate to promote Tom Clark, (who I always found to be an American wannabe and a sometimes pale imitation of Bill O'reilly) but Topp's answer would have been disasterous in an election campaign. I've already voted him no.2, but the gap b/w him and Mulcair just seems to grow wider day by day.


Unionist
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Boom Boom wrote:

He also eviscerated Nathan Cullen's co-operation plan, saying he is committed to fielding a full team of good, progressive NDP candidates across the country.

308? Good luck, Tom.

 


NorthReport
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Prove it!

These comments and several others by this BD poster are absolute unmitigated bullshit. 

Don't fall into this really dumb trap by someone who is not even involved with the NDP.

Bill Davis wrote:

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And Singh isn't running for himself and his own place in the party? Does everything to contradict your total speculation.

No speculation, those assertions are fact.  You are a mulcair supporter creating smoke to detract from those facts.  You may or may not be involved enough in Mulcair's campaign to know what's going on.  Either way I don't care.

There are different ways to run for oneself.  Singh has tied himself to his assumed future leader, Mulcair, with eyes on a seat in Nova Scotia.  Ashton has recently tried to take up some space questioning the front runner, as opposed to her earlier dumb plays in the leadership asking questions to a nobody like Singh.

 

 


flight from kamakura
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seems that mulcair's concerned about cullen.  he should use his "liberals are untrustworthy" line, i like that one.


socialdemocrati...
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Moving on from the BS...

Does anyone want to link me to a site where I can catch a livestream of the debate this afternoon?


JoshD
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Wilf Day
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Thanks. Great interview.

doofy wrote:

Topp's answer would have been disasterous in an election campaign.

Which one? The number of people who earn more than $250,000? It says here that it's 213,000 Canadians. That's 0.6% of the population; like, "1%."
http://worthwhile.typepad.com/worthwhile_canadian_initi/2011/11/public-policy-and-jobpublicity-opportunities-for-economics-students.html#more

Is that a scary number? Not to me.


flight from kamakura
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i just received a fundraising call for the danforth by-election, promised them $100 once i receive my leadership voting package.  he game me another number:

866-525-5555 ex8001 - haven't tried it out yet, but just fyi


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Wilf Day wrote:

doofy wrote:

Topp's answer would have been disasterous in an election campaign.

Which one? The number of people who earn more than $250,000? It says here that it's 213,000 Canadians. That's 0.6% of the population; like, "1%."
http://worthwhile.typepad.com/worthwhile_canadian_initi/2011/11/public-policy-and-jobpublicity-opportunities-for-economics-students.html#more

Is that a scary number? Not to me.

I think Doofy meant the fact that Topp couldn't provide the # on air to one of his central policies, something he's been asked about a lot and should have expected it to come up in this interview. He should have been better prepared to answer.


NorthReport
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http://www.cpac.ca/_images/gui/bullet_brown.gif); background-position: 0px 2px; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;">LIVE 3pm ET / 12pm PT Rebroadcast at 9pm ET / 6pm PT

Live from Vancouver, British Columbia, the NDP all-candidates debate titled 'Opportunities for young and new Canadians'.

 


Gaian
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CBC is carrying the debate live.

NorthReport
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Thanks G

http://accidentaldeliberations.blogspot.com/2012/03/leadership-2012-roun...

PS: What, if anything, do you think the Occupy movement contributed to Canadian politics?

NC: It opened up a question for many people: how did we end up with such a rigged system? The movement has tapped a sentiment and asked the questions that are important to people, but it remains to be seen what we all are going to do about it.
- In the same Planet S interview series featuring Cullen, Mulcair offered this on the effect of the Occupy movement:
PS: What, if anything, do you think the Occupy movement contributed to Canadian politics?

TM: It was a wake-up call that the root causes of the crash of ’08 have not been addressed, and there are a lot of people in our society who are being left behind. The people who brought that crash are still in charge and they’re still making the same decisions. I can tell you that a lot of the analysis that is being done by leaders of the Occupy movement has a foundation in fact, and it’s the first time since the environmental movement in the ‘60s that the public has taken such direct action.

But it does seem to have run out of steam. More long term, the answer is going to have to be political.


NorthReport
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For those of you who have not seen Mulcair's interview with Craig Oliver on CTV's Question Period I highly recommend it. Tom comes acroos highly sophisticated, and charasmatic, with his fingers on the pulse of what matters most to Canadians. He is very media savvy and has had quite an amazin's leadership campaign coming from a base of few NDP party members in Quebec to the strong force it is now, and also taking on the party establishment.

Quite impressive!

 

PS And let's clear up some of the nonsense that is floating around here: Tom has never been in any negotiations with any of the other candidates concerning 2nd ballot support, and as Tom has just said on QP these rumours do quite at disservice to Martin Singh who is one of our 7 NDP learadership candidates and who is making a major contribution towards growing the NDP, so that hopefully we can form the Canadian government sometime soon.   


Boom Boom
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Question Period repeats at 5pm on CTV NewsNet. Yeah, Tom looked and sounded good.

 


DSloth
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NorthReport
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I like Nathan a lot.

NDP top-job contender confident party will put him in saddle
http://www.theprovince.com/news/contender+confident+party+will+saddle/6284540/story.html


socialdemocrati...
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Watching the debate now. I kinda wish they wouldn't go to such an extent to silence the crowd. A little participation and enthusiasm could only help.


Wilf Day
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Mulcair says he has a plan to set aside $3.38 million for local riding campaigns; I assume that means $10,000 for each riding to spend. Where does this come from? I can't find it anywhere on his website, nor can google find it.


NorthReport
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Wilf Day
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I got a robocall right in the middle of the debate, asking my first and second choice; rude. I was tempted to just hang up. But instead I answered "undecided" to both questions. Does anyone know which campaign was so rude?


Wilf Day
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hatfield wrote:

I think Doofy meant the fact that Topp couldn't provide the # on air to one of his central policies, something he's been asked about a lot and should have expected it to come up in this interview. He should have been better prepared to answer.

Knowing Topp, I'm certain he did know the answer, but I expect he felt it needs to be presented in context in a setting where he can explain it, not baldly. He thought CTV would nail him with the number and make it sound scary. He could be right. That's why I asked: does 213,000 sound scary?


janfromthebruce
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I got the same call Wilf. On the one hand, you could think it rude but in some ways it was smart. This was the last debate and thus if you wanted to be certain of someone answering the phone, today would be it - as perhaps many and hopefully most NDP members were home and taking in the live debate.

I just gave "I don't know" on the 2nd question. I didn't find it rude but good planning in terms of getting more responses.


NorthReport
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That last leadership debate thread has gotten too long now.

Our right-wing msp had to find a bone to chew on. lol

 final NDP leadership debate, Mulcair put on hot sea

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20120311/ndp-leadership-debate-120311/

 


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