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Harper's black ops scandal (robocalls) #6

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Buddy Kat
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It wouldn't surprise me if down the line we find the Conservative fraud machine is on an offshore account like some kind of illegal pornography outfit...wouldn't surprise me in the least. Sounds like more names being thrown on top the pyramid.

 

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NorthReport
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It's the old Mulroney tactic. If you throw enough mud against the wall some of it will stick. I suppose Burke, the Con candidate in Guelph, feels if he denies it often enough somebody might believe him lol

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Conservative+candidate+denies+campai...

 


NorthReport
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Harper's message to his candidates about the robocalls prior to the last election:

"Now repeat after me, you heard nothing, you saw nothing, you know nothing. As long as you stick to this story they will never ever catch me or the rest of the boys in Head Office. Get it."


bekayne
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NorthReport wrote:

Harper's message to his candidates about the robocalls prior to the last election:

"Now repeat after me, you heard nothing, you saw nothing, you know nothing. As long as you stick to this story they will never ever catch me or the rest of the boys in Head Office. Get it."

You didn't hear it, you didn't see it!
You won't say nothin' to no one,
Ever in your life.
You never heard it.
How absurd it all seems, without any proof!

You didn't hear it, you didn't see it!
You won't say nothin' to no one,
Ever in your life.
You never heard it.
How absurd it all seems, without any proof!

You didn't hear it, you didn't see it!
You never heard it, not a word of it!
You won't say nothin' to no one,
Never tell a soul what you know is the truth!


Fidel
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If no judicial inquiry, then it looks to be the court of public opinion. Apparently the Harpers want more rope.


contrarianna
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A good letter from a scrutineer:

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Wed Mar 21 2012 00:01:00

There was a big difference between robocalls

Dear editor:

I am very disturbed by the disingenuous discourse that equates the robocall that originated from the Liberal campaign with those that would seem to have originated from the Tories....


http://www.guelphmercury.com/opinion/letters/article/690193--there-was-a...

Although it's a handy abbreviation, it's unfortunate that automated dialer messaging term, "robocalls", has become generally blurred in the public mind (with the assistance of the media and the Cons) with the massive fraud and subversion of democracy.
It deliberately blurs the line of automated annoyances with major crime, in order to imply "everybody does it".
This obscuring is reinforced in the media (even the non-Sun media) by referring to the systematic criminals in diminutive terms such as "pranksters", etc.


NorthReport
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Lovely, just friggin' lovely! This is going to do wonders for Canada's international reputation

Speaker’s riding shifted cash to Tory campaign ensnared in robo-calls probe

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/speakers-riding-shifted-cas...


madmax
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contrarianna wrote:

A good letter from a scrutineer:

Quote:

Wed Mar 21 2012 00:01:00

There was a big difference between robocalls

Dear editor:

I am very disturbed by the disingenuous discourse that equates the robocall that originated from the Liberal campaign with those that would seem to have originated from the Tories....


http://www.guelphmercury.com/opinion/letters/article/690193--there-was-a...

Although it's a handy abbreviation, it's unfortunate that automated dialer messaging term, "robocalls", has become generally blurred in the public mind (with the assistance of the media and the Cons) with the massive fraud and subversion of democracy.
It deliberately blurs the line of automated annoyances with major crime, in order to imply "everybody does it".
This obscuring is reinforced in the media (even the non-Sun media) by referring to the systematic criminals in diminutive terms such as "pranksters", etc.

Unfortuneately its a poor letter to the editor that only adds fuel do the debate of which tactic is worse. It is not a "legitimate call" when the Liberals not only failed to identify themselves.. but use a false name and false phone number on the robocall itself. Fact is.. thats a dirty tactic, and one that ticks off voters... There is also the fact that if violates elections Canada. That said.... why defend such stupidity and ignorance of the Liberal Campaign. I can't see this helping them next election.. they have soiled their own name for no good reason. Now.. with the Conservatieves.. it is alleged that someone (s) on the Conservative Campaign with information of voting lists and access to CIMS and Racknine put forth an elaborate scheme by impersonating elections Canada. This National Post article demonstrates how little the Conservative Campaign in Guelph is avoiding elections Canada. http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/21/robocalls-company-used-by-pierre... Why are so many afraid to speak. Do they have something to hide... It certainly looks that way.


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NorthReport
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So Cons your popularity is not being affected by the Robocall Scandal, is it? Well, read this and weep!

www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/john-ibbitson/ndp-tie-tories-in-po...

The survey by Environics Research Group provided to The Globe and Mail has the two parties at 30 per cent support among voters. That’s about the same percentage of the popular vote that the NDP earned in the May 2 general election. For the Conservatives, it represents a drop of 10 points.

The Conservatives are clearly paying a price for the robo-calls affair, plans to increase the qualifying age for Old Age Security, legislation that would give the government information on individual Internet accounts, and increased uncertainty over the costs of new fighter jets.

These issues “haven’t been managed particularly well,” said Darren Karasiuk, vice-president of corporate and public affairs at Environics.

“And they haven’t been managed well in spite of the lack of solid and stable leadership from the NDP or Liberals.

“So there’s a disappointment among Canadians – particularly soft Tories – that the promised benefits of a majority haven’t materialized.”

The Liberals are in third place with 20-per-cent support, up one point from election day. The Bloc has the support of 30 per cent of voters in Quebec, only four percentage points behind the NDP, which swept the province last May.

But if the Bloc is threatening to challenge the NDP’s newfound popularity in Quebec, the social democrats can take comfort in knowing they lead in British Columbia and Atlantic Canada, and are a close third in a three-way race for support in Ontario.

They are also the first choice of female voters. And while the Tories continue to lead among voters over 60, who are more likely to cast a ballot than younger people, that lead over the NDP is only seven percentage points, suggesting the idea of raising the retirement age for OAS is not going down well among retirees.

The fact that the NDP has been without a permanent leader may be a bit of a blessing, Mr. Karasiuk believes.

“Some people, without a leader in place, will project a perfect leader in their minds,” he said.

The months ahead are bound to bring changes, as the NDP’s new leader takes the national stage, the Conservatives finally present a budget that reduces the deficit at the expense of government programs, and the Liberals move toward choosing a permanent leader of their own.

But Interim Leader Nycole Turmel can take satisfaction in knowing that, however uncertain her performance might have been at times, she will be handing her successor a party as popular today as when it leapt to official opposition status in last May’s election.

The survey was in the field from March 6 to 18, sampling 2,000 respondents by phone, with a margin of error of 2.4 per cent.

Environics is not the only pollster ever to have the NDP in first place since the fight over free trade. Last August, shortly after leader Jack Layton died, a Decima poll also had the NDP and Conservatives tied.


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In other scandal news:

Conservative cabinet minister Christian Paradis broke federal rules and gave special treatment to former Conservative MP Rahim Jaffer, the ethics watchdog said in a report Thursday.

Conflict of Interest Commissioner Mary Dawson said Christian Paradis broke the rules set out in the Conflict of Interest Act when he told officials at Public Works and Government Services, the department he headed at the time, to talk with Jaffer about his company, Green Power Generation.

"Mr. Paradis gave preferential treatment to Mr. Jaffer in that he treated him more favourably than he might have treated others in similar circumstances," Dawson wrote in her report.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/22/pol-paradis-conflict-of...


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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/pierre-poutine-taped-election-call-impersonating-liberals/article2379712/

Separately, Elections Canada’s chief electoral officer, Marc Mayrand, is now scheduled to appear before MPs on March 29 to offer more details on widespread complaints he’s received about misleading or fake calls made to voters during the last election – calls that go far beyond Guelph...March 29 is also budget day in Ottawa, which means most of the Parliamentary Press Gallery will instead be in a lockup digesting Finance Minister Jim Flaherty’s fiscal plan.


NorthReport
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Harper is diabolical and as Mulcair has said many times, we are going to be very smart and work very hard to take him down.


laine lowe
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Whomever leads the NDP should demand that Maynard appear before the House by the 27th at the latest. If there is any chance of derailing Harper's destructive budget, it should be leveraged a.s.a.p.


KenS
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There is no such chance at all.


KenS
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‘Pierre Poutine' recorded message supporting Liberal candidate in Guelph

Lots of detal from the latest court document filed.

So EC has the recorded scripts, including one deleted by the perp that was to go out to Liberal supporters in the middle of the night, with call display of the Liberal HQ.

Two details I foind interesting.

The scripts use a voice synthesisier. Tjat and all the other covering of tracks show the perp worked hard at not being caught.

The RackNine owner says the guy first called him on his direct unlisted line, and referred to a person in the CPC giving him the number. [While most new local campaign clients come to them word of mouth through the 'front door'.]

I would say that body has a well established concern in not suffering legal consequences for this, he had contacts in the national campaign, and not giving those to EC will make life difficult for him [not to mention they will get the information without his help anyway].

 


Buddy Kat
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It's looking more and more like a more organized effort .....and all it will take is some proof of linkage to the national campaign to really stamp the covert operation seal of approval on it.

This is just EC looking at the Guelph mess what of the other 77 ridings? This is just going to be the tip of the iceberg...I'm wondering now if this is a Poutine operation where all the culprits used the same name even tho they are differant individuals across the country or will there be a whole mess of fictional characters across 77 ridings ....

I guess tho as the CBC pointed out in there 31 riding expose the formula seems to be the same ...and then they can now look at how the Guelph riding worked as a pattern for the rest also....running out of popcorn..can't wait for Monday either and to see a new leader for the NDP!


disenchanted
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In contrast to their harassment of campus polling stations, look what the Cons were able to push Elections Canada into: 

A "Hill Times investigation shows Conservatives harvested thousands of votes after Elections Canada placed ballot boxes in evangelical churches, clubs and other locations that appeared to favour government supporters".

http://www.hilltimes.com/political-reporting/politics/2012/03/26/electio...

Too bad our supposed 4th branch media don't take the role of watchdog on government manipulation seriously enough; this effort to selectively promote some votes and suppress others is a distrubing matter. Hope we can uncover more evidence of such manipulation. 


contrarianna
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disenchanted wrote:

In contrast to their harassment of campus polling stations, look what the Cons were able to push Elections Canada into: 

A "Hill Times investigation shows Conservatives harvested thousands of votes after Elections Canada placed ballot boxes in evangelical churches, clubs and other locations that appeared to favour government supporters".

http://www.hilltimes.com/political-reporting/politics/2012/03/26/electio...

Too bad our supposed 4th branch media don't take the role of watchdog on government manipulation seriously enough; this effort to selectively promote some votes and suppress others is a distrubing matter. Hope we can uncover more evidence of such manipulation. 

Thanks for that. It looks like an interesting and appalling story, though I don't subscibe to Hill Times to see the entirety of their investigation.

I did gleen this additional snippet from a Hill Times feed:

Quote:
Ontarians voted in a gated community clubhouse and a church whose congregation included the local returning officer, records show. Conservatives swept both polling stations in winning hotly-contested Toronto-area ridings last year.

It doesn't bolster the confidence, implied by some, that Elections Canada is an uncontaminated honest broker that will get to the bottom of these frauds.


KenS
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Meh.

I also thought it was good to hear.

But as a good thing to file away and throw back at the Cons when they whine about being singled out by EC for scrutiny- which there is a lot of.

As actual effects go, this is small stuff. These people vote anyway.


contrarianna
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KenS wrote:

....As actual effects go, this is small stuff. These people vote anyway.

Smaller effects, certainly, than the massive frauds,  yet possibly one more, of many, indicators of EC bias or laxity.

And yes, these people do vote, but they likely vote in greater numbers and more in lockstep under the convenience and suasion of their tribal backyard.

More importantly,  (though this is speculation on my part and subject to correcting evidence) if ballot boxes are normally distributed by some geographical/travel time spacing formula, a gated community--which normally block outsiders--would mean a considerably greater than normal travel inconvenience for those closest to the gated community.


KenS
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Well. its established already we entirely disagree about EC bias.


NorthReport
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There is a reason why we have NDP scrutineers - to keep their eyes on the ball, er ballots, and ballot boxes, from beginning to end. People just need to be properly trained, do their jobs, and everything will be fine. No harm is starting the training for the next election soon, so like our new leader we will have the sharpest scrutineers on the block.


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Buddy Kat
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I sure would like to see or hear the evidence they have . All concentration seems to be on the Guelph area thus far and there is definately a campaign by con media to keep it confined there...so it's good there is progress on the other 70 or so ridings.....but for a group outside EC to file the complaints when EC surely knows about them is more reason for people to wake up...I guess when EC delivers it's info on Friday we'll see how serious they really take the fraudulent electoral process.

I would love to hear them say...Due to evidence presented by the electoral voters of canada the Conservative Party of Canada is now DEREGISTERED as a political party and has 6 mos to sell off it's assets and get the hell out..and yes buddy kat you can beat them with a broom.Laughing

 

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KenS
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The Council filing the suit is not based on any new evidence, and depends [at least so far, and probably forever] on what Elections Canada turns up.

Its not a complaint. Its asking a judge to overturn the election results on the base of evidence- most if not all of which will come from EC. I think its a safe bet that Council and the lawyers are starting on th basis that there is sufficient evidence now to start a case, hoave it underway, and there will be more by the time they get to the nitty gritty.

This is not an alternative action. And it would always be more likely that outside groups with an interest would be the ones to go to court rather than EC- even thought they can. But the evidence has to come from EC.

The Thursday appearance by EC is going to be an overview. And we may have heard all or most of this first bit already.

Ec is not concentrating on Guelph anywhere near as much as what would be indicated by what you hear. Guelph is just where they have the most concrete information. Nowhere else would they be far enough along yet to be filing in court reports of what they have been doing.


NorthReport
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I don't want to muddy the waters here but were the Cons involved in this as well?

Cyber attack on NDP leadership vote involved more than 10,000 computers

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/27/ndp-leadership-vote-cyber-attack...


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