NDP Leadership Race #134

This is something i posted on the other thread #134. Can we agree to make this one the official one?

 

http://www.thomasmulcair.ca/site/2012/03/21/as-convention-draws-near-mulcair-picks-up-more-nova-scotia-support/?lang=en

 

6 more Nova Scotia MLAs for Tom. I think this brings him up to 12

 

 

There was already a #134? My apologies!

it really is an interesting strategy of mulcair's to continue rolling out these fairly large groups of endorsements during convention week, it would seem to me that last week would have been the week to have done this.  think about what we've seen from mulcair so far this week:

1) huge group of ontario endorsements

2) anti-scab legislation guarantee

3) 3.38 million fund to take on the cpc

4) huge group of nova scotia endorsements

clearly the campaign thought that it needed momentum going into the convention, but in terms of appeals to members, it seems to me that it would have been more sound to have dominated last week with these (and whatever else is coming) and played the bigger game for the ranked voting.  then again, with how late the balloting packages seem to be coming in, and with the un-anticipated bitterness of the topp campaign's attacks, it could be that this strategy ends up working out for them.  broadbent attacks - you have rafferty right in the trenches, more than a dozen solid endorsements, pat martin (we think) leaking to the hill times about topp's flailing campaign, some red meat for activists, etc.

This was posted in the other thread, but that was in the wrong section of the forum, so I don't think it counts.

Mulcair is controlling the news cycle. By keeping the endorsements and announcements coming, he prevents the story from getting bogged down in petty bullshit. I have a certain amount of confidence in his ability as an organizer and a strategist. I just hope he understands the important role that members want to play. A lot of us feel an affinity towards the NDP not just because of what the top brass says, but how the top brass listens. The feeling that our participation matters. That's where a lot of excitement and enthusiasm comes from. We can't beat the media without that grassroots enthusiasm.

We're moving are we.

quizzical rabble-rouser Member: 25730 Joined: Dec 8 2011 March 20, 2012 - 5:06pm

nope not going to get burned again by topic closing for length when i try posting a quote

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quizzical rabble-rouser Member: 25730 Joined: Dec 8 2011 March 20, 2012 - 5:09pm #1 (permalink) writer wrote: Duncan: NDP leadership contender Nathan Cullen calls for united front against Conservatives

Includes this video. Starting @0:30 in:

"But I want to really leave it to the members. I really need to have a mandate given to me by New Democrats to say that they're willing to get out of the bunkers, shake hands on some agreements together and make sure that we don't have a Conservative government again ... It would have to be driven from the grassroots. If they're into it, then I'm into it. If they're not, then we'll do it the old traditional way ... The real sticking point with the Bloc is that their fundamental purpose is to destroy the country. So to work with them in such an intimate way would be harmful to my view of Canada. I mean, they individually and many of their voters are progressive . Many of their voters came to us in the last election. But if the primary reason that the party exists is to dissolve Canada, then I can't count on sitting down with them for something like this."

... And that's all I need to know about Mr. Cullen.

kinda thought that way at first myself then i thought about contextual meaning

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quizzical rabble-rouser Member: 25730 Joined: Dec 8 2011 March 20, 2012 - 5:25pm #2 (permalink)

t'anks for the link duncan cameron in the last topic thread, i understand she was to say more on this from that opening document but io haven't heard  anymore about it and what i see there does not go far enough for me in creating a manufacturing sector based upon our natural resources.

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NorthReport is relaxing rabble-rouser-for-life Member: 16337 Joined: Jul 6 2008 March 20, 2012 - 5:47pm #3 (permalink)

That was my impression as well q

NorthReport is relaxing rabble-rouser-for-life Member: 16337 Joined: Jul 6 2008 March 20, 2012 - 5:53pm #4 (permalink)

Every pronouncement now coming from Topp's campaign seems to be one of desperation.

NDPers don't want the status quo, they want to move forward and win the next election.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/jack-laytons-mother-calls-on-ndp...

Life, the unive... rabble-rouser-machine Member: 14982 Joined: Mar 23 2007 March 20, 2012 - 7:17pm #5 (permalink)

I might even vote for Topp in my top tier, but ICK   That's just wrong on every level.  

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flight from kamakura rabble-rouser Member: 14562 Joined: Nov 24 2006 March 20, 2012 - 7:21pm #6 (permalink)

this thread is in the wrong section, could someone please move it?

anyway, i finally have to agree north report: dredging up layton's mother just seems desperate.  i mean, this is it, the final 3 days, so go for anything you can, but still, this is something else.  everything seems to be oriented toward smothering media mentions of nash and dewar by drawing the media into a topp vs mulcair frame.  my guess is actually that it works better than we think it might, especially since the central office's screw-up on ballot packages means that many folks will be voting very close to convention (if at all, grrr).

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KenS stasis status static rabble-rouser-for-life Member: 2174 Joined: Aug 6 2001 March 20, 2012 - 7:26pm #7 (permalink)

As to vetting.

You should see the vetting form that MP candidates have to fill out. We know that some stuff appears later, but it tends to be not top tier candidates and/or things it is hard to ask about.

And there is a vetting process for the leadership candidates. I dont know what the questions look like, but you can bet they are thorough, and are checked out... plus looking for things that candidates might 'forget'. At a bare mnimum things like debts, business connections, arrests, etc are all in there.

Here's an example, even a number of Dippers outside of Nova Scotia know of Robert Chisholm's 18 year old drunk driving convictuion that bit us hard at the end of a campaign. He disclosed that long before the campaign. It was known.

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NorthReport is relaxing rabble-rouser-for-life Member: 16337 Joined: Jul 6 2008 March 20, 2012 - 8:17pm #8 (permalink)

I'm sure one of the reasons they can't give you your voting id and password right away is they must do some kind of a vote screen/check to ensure you don't vote twice the way former Montreal City Councillor Frank Hanley used to encourage his supporters to do. Oh, for the good ole days.  

Wilf Day is happy with his status. rabble-rouser-supreme Member: 4276 Joined: Oct 31 2002 March 21, 2012 - 12:03am #9 (permalink)

This #134 was opened first, and is longer than its imitator. Someone please close the other one.

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Unionist mostly harmless \,,/ rabble-rouser-l33t \,,/ Member: 12323 Joined: Dec 11 2005 March 21, 2012 - 12:25am #10 (permalink)

Long live "NDP leadership race #134"!

Down with "NDP Leadership Race #134"!

 

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Catchfire the porches of my ear moderator Member: 5019 Joined: Apr 16 2003 March 21, 2012 - 12:34am #11 (permalink)

That's what this leadership race needs! A good splinter movement!

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socialdemocrati... peacekeeping rabble-rouser Member: 25915 Joined: Jan 10 2012 March 21, 2012 - 1:35am #12 (permalink)

will the real 134 please stand up?

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NorthReport is relaxing rabble-rouser-for-life Member: 16337 Joined: Jul 6 2008 March 21, 2012 - 1:39am #13 (permalink)

NDP Leadership: A guide to the race to replace Jack Layton

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1149418--ndp-leaders...

flight from kamakura rabble-rouser Member: 14562 Joined: Nov 24 2006 March 21, 2012 - 1:41am #14 (permalink)

this thread is in the wrong section, it's too much work to change sections, ergo, this thread is irrelevant.

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NorthReport is relaxing rabble-rouser-for-life Member: 16337 Joined: Jul 6 2008 March 21, 2012 - 2:05am #15 (permalink)

 

I have a lot of respect for Carol but I think she has it wrong. I think the race will eventually boil down to should we work with the Liberals to bring down Harper, or go it alone, and although the idea of working together has a lot of merit, I don't think the majority of NDPers are quite ready for that step. But NDP voters do want to grow the Orange Wave that happened in Quebec. 

 

 

Orange wave in Quebec: NDP breakthrough or passing fancy?

 

 

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1149445--orange-...

NorthReport is relaxing rabble-rouser-for-life Member: 16337 Joined: Jul 6 2008 March 21, 2012 - 2:55am #16 (permalink)

Sweet!

In Harper decade, a big jump left 

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/20/in-harper-decade-a-big-jump-left

NDPP what a planet... rabble-rouser-for-life Member: 16891 Joined: Dec 28 2008 March 21, 2012 - 4:56am #17 (permalink)

Topp's NDP Leadership Campaign 'Not Nearly As Well Organized' As Mulcair's Says NDP Insider

http://www.hilltimes.com/news/politics/2012/03/20/topps-ndp-leadership-c...

"New Democrat insiders are 'almost shocked' at the state of NDP leadership Brian Topp's campaign as the party heads into its leadership vote this weekend..."

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NorthReport is relaxing rabble-rouser-for-life Member: 16337 Joined: Jul 6 2008 March 21, 2012 - 11:12am #18 (permalink)

Thank you Mr Topp. Talk about a scorched earth policy against one of our own. How stupid can some people be

Broadbent poisons well for next NDP leader

 

http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/75902-broadbent-poisons-well-next-n...

 

The history of establishment-assisted leadership contenders who are less politically adept and/or less popular than the runner-up they defeated is hardly a happy one. Think of John Turner, Kim Campbell or Stéphane Dion.

If a Broadbent-led anybody-but-Mulcair movement determines the outcome of next week’s vote, owing victory to a threatened establishment won’t do much to bolster the winner’s moral authority. That will be particularly true in Quebec, where not a single independent observer buys Broadbent’s analysis that Mulcair was the beneficiary of a stroke of central command genius, 50 years in the making, rather than a major protagonist of the NDP’s surge in the province.

Repeating over and over again that Mulcair is not the prime NDP figure in Quebec and a central piece of its electoral future will not make it true. The same approach certainly did not work for Liberals at the time of Denis Coderre’s 2009 resignation as Michael Ignatieff’s Quebec lieutenant.

Even at their peak, the leadership wars of the federal Liberals and the Conservatives have not featured retired or retiring leaders stepping in front of the parade at the 11th hour to stab the leading contender in the front.

In 1990, Pierre Trudeau had no time for pro-Meech candidates such as Paul Martin but the former prime minister did not need to spell that out. He let their deep policy differences speak for themselves.

But then Broadbent did not really have the luxury to stay above the fray and fight his battle on the field of principles. Over the course of a series of media interviews last week, the former NDP leader could not come up with a single major policy transgression to sustain his blanket condemnation of Mulcair.

The dual task of keeping Quebec in the fold and the NDP together was always going to be a major challenge for Layton’s successor. Broadbent has just made that task more daunting for whoever is chosen on Saturday.

 

NorthReport is relaxing rabble-rouser-for-life Member: 16337 Joined: Jul 6 2008 March 21, 2012 - 11:23am #19 (permalink)

Even in PEI - sweet!

 

NDP spirits soar

http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/News/Local/2012-03-21/article-2935113/NDP-s...

DaveW the usual social democrat rabble-rouser Member: 16877 Joined: Dec 24 2008 March 21, 2012 - 11:32am #20 (permalink)

oh, N.R., I think in 1990 Trudeau made it plenty clear where he stood -- sitting with the pro-Chretien Meech killer Clyde Wells very visibly at the Liberal convention

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nicky is active rabble-rouser Member: 11066 Joined: Aug 3 2005 March 21, 2012 - 11:46am #21 (permalink)

http://www.thomasmulcair.ca/site/2012/03/21/as-convention-draws-near-mulcair-picks-up-more-nova-scotia-support/?lang=en

 

6 more Nova Scotia MLAs for Tom. I think this brings him up to 12

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NorthReport is relaxing rabble-rouser-for-life Member: 16337 Joined: Jul 6 2008 March 21, 2012 - 12:41pm #22 (permalink)

What nonsense.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/03/21/mr-irrelevant-vs-mr-angry/

Hunky_Monkey rabble-rouser-machine Member: 7081 Joined: Jun 11 2004 March 21, 2012 - 1:59pm (new) #23 (permalink) nicky wrote:

http://www.thomasmulcair.ca/site/2012/03/21/as-convention-draws-near-mulcair-picks-up-more-nova-scotia-support/?lang=en

 

6 more Nova Scotia MLAs for Tom. I think this brings him up to 12

6 NS NDP cabinet ministers in total :)

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Rebecca West moderator Member: 2873 Joined: Nov 28 2001 March 21, 2012 - 2:11pm (new) #24 (permalink)

Let's move the rest of this conversation over here.

Damn it. I see my plan to play the two threads against themselves in the hopes of fomenting an irreducible gap between those who view the NDP as a "national" party and those who view it as a "Canadian" one has been thwarted by consensus, respectful discourse and my only ally on this board, the sinister and insidious Rebecca West.

Fine, have your party unified under a common vision and goal.

You say you want to lead the NDP, and Canada: Rating the candidates’ message

 

This article pinpoints one of the biggest things I was looking for this race, and never seemed to get. I think it's fair to note that only Topp seems to understand what a message is. I hope that whether Topp wins or not, he maintains a big role in the party. We need thinkers like him.

Interesting to see some reports that only 40k members have voted thus far. Could be a wave of voters coming in online this weekend. In theory it could double the total vote count to 80k (which would be 60-70% voter turnout). But even short of that, there's the potential for tens of thousands of votes to come in. Which means that recent events still matter in shaping the race. For me personally, I'm interested to see what each candidate's "closing statement" is at the convention. I've done a lot of research, and the race will end in a last minute gut decision.

It ain't over yet.

Whatever you say Josh!

‘We proved them wrong,’ departing NDP chief says of her critics

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/we-proved-t...

ut there are also divisions within the NDP that have been created by a leadership race that suddenly turned more acrimonious in its final days. Ms. Turmel said caucus unity must be job No. 1.

“There’s always a danger when there’s change, when there’s a new vision, there will always be division, that has to be recognized,” Ms. Turmel said. “It will be up to the new leader in his or her message and in his or her approach to determine and to ensure that the caucus is a priority.”

Her departure from the party’s top job will leave more time to attend to riding issues, said the Quebec MP, who admits there are some aspects of the job that have been difficult.

“The stress a leader feels regarding the emotions, the physical stress, I won’t miss that. The stresses are everywhere, you guys are included,” she told reporters. “You always have to be one step ahead of the game, one step ahead of the news.”

 

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Niki+Ashton+support+leadership+race/63...

At least some of the msp are getting parts of what is going on.

 - from CTV

I suspect more than 40,000 party members have voted. There are likely at least 20,000 additional votes already cast by mail that have either yet to reach federal office or have not been processed. These would have been mailed last week. This would take the total to 60,000 leaving 10,000 or so to vote in advance or on the 24th. A 60 per cent turnout would be normal for these races - BC had a 71 per cent turnout but they only had to pull 30,000 votes, not 132,000 or so. Alas, I would anticipate ballots arriving by mail post the 24th but there is nothing one can do about that. The gains of opening up this process to more than the 2000 people who attend conventions outweighs the problems. As an aside, I really don't know why people are waiting for 'final arguments' - the campaign has been going on for seven months!