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Regarding the unions, I just feel like they have way too much influence. They didn't deliver their vote, and at an AGM here in Winnipeg last week, movers of motions tabled 3 motions because the union rep said the unions wouldn't support it. I thought all members are equal. What I saw is that in actual fact, some members are more equal then others, just like in Animal Farm.
And at our Provincial Convention here last year, there were 3 people from the MFL at the convention and they controlled what was dicussed under labour legislation debate. And that doesn't include the dame that the Fire Fighters did when Judy WL ran against Katz.
The unions can't deliver the vote, they stab us in the back when they want to, want us to shut up, and then have the audacity to complain.
I am sorry, I come from a long line of Labour and CCF activitsts. I find it offensieve, and as far as I am concerned, Sid Ryan go can righ to hell!
Cullen, I think it should be pointed out, is also the candidate who excites centerists the most, judging be comments on the Globe and Mail. I know a lot of rabblers are suspicious of anyone who excites centrists, but my point is that I see him as being a candidate who pulls Canada to the NDP, rather than the other way around.
I just knew you were going to say that Michelle. Anyway it is all in good fun, as it is not as most of us don't support the NDP. But I do agree we will all have to help, mold, and guide the new leader whoever that may be.
Michelle wrote:
Yeah, but just on the third ballot, NorthReport. ;) Then I hope he wipes up the floor with Mulcair on the fourth.
As a labour supporter in a labour party, I find the labour support within the party for a candidate with dubious labour credentials to be deeply unsettling. I don't mean that he's not from a labour background; Jack wasn't either. I just mean that Mulcair has frequently and actively taken anti-labour positions for years. To see him be welcomed with open arms is just... I don't know. I'm not sure how I feel really.
Try to imagine your average UFCW workers, putting your groceries through the checkout, and not sure how long her/his employer is going to be able to support union pay rates and benefits in the face of encroachment by those others moving in from south of the border. Somehow, just reciting "solidarity", the mantra of the old guard, does not seem sustaining enough. Some way of gturning back the economic tide, making the commercial/industrial sector viable again, makes sense. At least, that would seem a good reason for the UFCW to support Tom Mulcair.
Huh? Mulcair has no interest in repealing NAFTA so I don't see how Mulcair will help grocery stores compete against US grocery corporations moving into Canada.
Brain has blown his one possible chance to stop Tom and that would have been for him to have dropped out after the 2nd ballot and gone over to Nathan. It didn't happen and he has assured Tom of victory.
Interesting' what Rosie just said about Tom not talking to the press - very good, actually excellent strategy.
Topp isn't going to win. There's no real chance for him to win, because it's doubtful that enough Cullen supporters will move to Topp. That's why people should vote for Cullen this round. Make Topp drop off and pray that enough of his supporters would prefer Cullen to Mulcair.
As a labour supporter in a labour party, I find the labour support within the party for a candidate with dubious labour credentials to be deeply unsettling. I don't mean that he's not from a labour background; Jack wasn't either. I just mean that Mulcair has frequently and actively taken anti-labour positions for years. To see him be welcomed with open arms is just... I don't know. I'm not sure how I feel really.
Try to imagine your average UFCW workers, putting your groceries through the checkout, and not sure how long her/his employer is going to be able to support union pay rates and benefits in the face of encroachment by those others moving in from south of the border. Somehow, just reciting "solidarity", the mantra of the old guard, does not seem sustaining enough. Some way of gturning back the economic tide, making the commercial/industrial sector viable again, makes sense. At least, that would seem a good reason for the UFCW to support Tom Mulcair.
I'm having a hard time following your argument here. The government that Mulcair was a part of was much of the reason why that 'economic tide' has hit Quebec, and his votes have directly opposed aforementioned union benefits and the right of workers to organize. Union support at this stage seems to be more about "bargaining up" - backing the predicted winner for some perceived future benefit or kickback.
The government that Mulcair was a part of was much of the reason why that 'economic tide' has hit Quebec, and his votes have directly opposed aforementioned union benefits and the right of workers to organize.
Now there's an interesting statement. What, exactly, are you talking about? The "right of workers to organize"... Explain to me what has happened on that front? I must have missed it.
Alexa McDonough supports nathan. Very interesting.
Ok Michele, I apologize.
Regarding the unions, I just feel like they have way too much influence. They didn't deliver their vote, and at an AGM here in Winnipeg last week, movers of motions tabled 3 motions because the union rep said the unions wouldn't support it. I thought all members are equal. What I saw is that in actual fact, some members are more equal then others, just like in Animal Farm.
And at our Provincial Convention here last year, there were 3 people from the MFL at the convention and they controlled what was dicussed under labour legislation debate. And that doesn't include the dame that the Fire Fighters did when Judy WL ran against Katz.
The unions can't deliver the vote, they stab us in the back when they want to, want us to shut up, and then have the audacity to complain.
I am sorry, I come from a long line of Labour and CCF activitsts. I find it offensieve, and as far as I am concerned, Sid Ryan go can righ to hell!
Just logged in, got a whole new log-in screen. Has Pierre Poutine hacked the NDP website? Tried to vote, crashed.
I don't think so. There is something close to radio silence regarding Cullen and Quebec.
Cullen, I think it should be pointed out, is also the candidate who excites centerists the most, judging be comments on the Globe and Mail. I know a lot of rabblers are suspicious of anyone who excites centrists, but my point is that I see him as being a candidate who pulls Canada to the NDP, rather than the other way around.
I just knew you were going to say that Michelle.
Anyway it is all in good fun, as it is not as most of us don't support the NDP. But I do agree we will all have to help, mold, and guide the new leader whoever that may be.
Robin Sears says it shows a "lack of courage" when a candidate drops out without backing a second choice.
He is an idiot. Good to know.
Agreed.
What can you expect from these g-d damn party insiders. I am SICK of them!
Huh? Mulcair has no interest in repealing NAFTA so I don't see how Mulcair will help grocery stores compete against US grocery corporations moving into Canada.
http://rabble.ca/columnists/2011/10/tom-mulcair-plays-terrible-hand-trade
Well, Arthur, as I said before, you're supporting the right candidate.
NorthReport, I'm sure we could have a beer after this if we weren't on other sides of the country. And if I drank beer. ;)
And if Topp wins, we're screwed!
Brain has blown his one possible chance to stop Tom and that would have been for him to have dropped out after the 2nd ballot and gone over to Nathan. It didn't happen and he has assured Tom of victory.
Interesting' what Rosie just said about Tom not talking to the press - very good, actually excellent strategy.
Topp isn't going to win. There's no real chance for him to win, because it's doubtful that enough Cullen supporters will move to Topp. That's why people should vote for Cullen this round. Make Topp drop off and pray that enough of his supporters would prefer Cullen to Mulcair.
Michelle, if Mulcair wins by one vote, tell RR for me that I'll hold him responsible.
Yes, very Harperesque! :p
Unionist, you're hilarious. :) rr is doing his best to vote!
Robin Sears is missing the point that in this vote the Candidates can't bring much so they would only be making themselves look foolish.
Has Robin Sears ever said who he supports?
I suppose he could answer that he's not a candidate. Which makes sense.
Come on, they are all excellent candidates. Let's all chill big time now, particularly the Mulcair supporters.
BTW we have great cottage breweries out here Michelle, so when you come out West Catchfire will be buying.
I'm having a hard time following your argument here. The government that Mulcair was a part of was much of the reason why that 'economic tide' has hit Quebec, and his votes have directly opposed aforementioned union benefits and the right of workers to organize. Union support at this stage seems to be more about "bargaining up" - backing the predicted winner for some perceived future benefit or kickback.
Topp can't drop out. How would he face Ed?
Astute comment Sean.
You are getting weird Arthur.
What the fuck does what Sears said have to do with 'party insiderism'.
And for that matter, dumb as it may have been... what is objectionable, like something to get riled over?
Now there's an interesting statement. What, exactly, are you talking about? The "right of workers to organize"... Explain to me what has happened on that front? I must have missed it.
Site is down for maintainance???
Voting open until 4:30 Eastern.
Presumably the continuing snafus.
Ivison is usually blowing smoke but he's right about one thing - Cullan should become the Deputy Leader
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/03/24/john-ivison-now-is-the-ti...
Party is down for maintenance.
What was that I heard? Catchfire's buying the next round for every babbler?
Heh. :)