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Arthur Cramer wrote:
Look gang, even if what you say is true, we shouldn't be allowing any frame other then the one we want to permeate people's conciousness. I learned that during my military PR training, Never let the other side set what people see as true. The Libs and Tories are experts at this. We really need to learn how to do this.
Denying there is a problem only works when people cannot see there is a problem. When it is evident, the best avenue is to take responsibility for correcting it; otherwise, it appears that you do not plan to do anything about the problem, which is the worst possible position to be in. People know problems happen and will forgive mistakes; they do not forgive denying the problem when they know it occurred.
I agree it's not a good look. I was pretty angry when it looked like I almost wouldn't get my vote in. I persevered. But I can only imagine how other people would feel annoyed, or just plain disengaged.
Put on a brave face and soldier on, I guess.
I bailed from the lineup and the convention and went back to my kid's place where I'm staying in Toronto. Got online and voted with no problem at all. I'll probably head back to the 'Shwa and continue voting from there in the comfort of an armchair.
Bob Fife on CTV asks a really good question: is this company a union shop? If not, why did we choose a non-union shop? He says his own techies, union members, are asking.
There is now speculation on CBC that 'some outside group' is trying to flood the system to make this voting problem happen. Reflection on Blakie's repeated comments of 'your vote is secure'.
Obviously the party should have allowed preferential balloting until 2 p.m. and then announced the final results at 3 p.m. eastern. There is no need with a prefernetial ballot to have voting 'between' ballots. If people are hell bent on 'stopping' someone they can simply put that candidate last. It's that simple.
Yes, you get excitement with the faux 'who's going to who' dialogue but that is made up by these kind of unforseen disasters.
evan solomon is saying that senior dippers are worried that there could be some sort of external attack on the voting system.
Does this mean I can stop looking for you putting up devil's horns behind Evan Solomon's head, oldgoat?
according to CBC There is now an investigation going on as to a possible attack on the NDP voting -possibly the "high volume" is coming from those not entitled to vote.
Evan Solomon on CBC is now also saying (as well as Alice Funke on CTV) that people are trying to penetrate the voting system causing these delays. This must be thoroughly investigated both for the security of the vote and the ability of people to vote.
It's also possible that people who are seeing on the news or on TV that the NDP voting site is crashing are going online out of curiosity just to see. Which would be an unintentional DOS.
Mansbridge and Solomon said an investigation is underway to see if the system has been breached from the outside of the 130,000 voters.
There is some truth to this, but we shouldn't let Mansbridge (certainly no NDP supporter) from getting away with framing it like he has. You could say, yes there is delay in voting, but this is simply a result of technical issues that couldn't have been expected. Simply things break, and you can't prepare for everything. As well, not withstanding, I feel no embarasment at all in saying that we are experieincing a higher turnout. I would think if anything you would be happy to see this kind of an increase in voter turnout. This is entirely in keeping with our belief as a party that our message is resonating with Canadians, and that we will simply see more of this as it translates in polls to come and at the next election when we elect a NDP Prime Minister.
My point is, you take the negative, acknowledge what is going on and then reframe it. You don't have to avoid taking responsibility. But they are making a big mistake cowering away from challenging Mansbrige. He is going to bring this up again an again. Even Stephen Lewis using words like "worry". The PR guys should have spoken to our so called spokes people and told them how to react.
Again, we are letting the frame get away from us. It isn't about the truth. Its about accuracy. Facts are facts.
I see now, that when Rebecca Blaikie reported there was "higher than expected volume" she did not necessarily mean that there was a higher than expected number of voters. It sounded like spin, but I guess it wasn't. The implication being that there is possible sort of denial of service attack.
I am so happy to see Moist endorse Mulcair. He has consistently come down on the right side of many issues. I always thought he was a fine man.
There has been an attack on the voting system from outside sources, and that is what is causing the delayed voting - seriously.
Any suggestions who would be behind that - there will be an investigation btw.
Robocall Two!
How can they tell what the 'outside sources' are?
So now the voting goes until 5:40 Eastern, at least.
Results at 6pm, hopefully. Mansbridge said the fourth ballot results - if necessary - at this rate won't be known until 10 pm. I was hoping to go to bed early because I'm not feeling well.
You'd expect a socialist inclined political party to hold close the means of voting and control that aspect of the democracy itself, rather than turn it over to a corporation.
FWIW: thread # 139 started at 11:18. 5and1/2 hours later, 450 posts and counting.
This is such a fucking embarrassment, how can we claim to run a country if we can't even do a fucking simple online vote.
How can we even claim that the results are legit now?
Mansbridge is just speaking the truth. This is embarassing, no doubt about it.
But let's keep our perspective here, people. By the time the next election rolls around the public will have forgotten all about these problems. That's if they'll even care at all once the leader has been chosen.
So let's not shut down the discussion here with PR strategy babble, ok? The idea that free speech somehow hurts the party is not worthy of us.
What's happening is simply inexcusable. With online voting, the first questions that come to mind are 'Can you make it secure' and 'Can it handle the demand?' And yes, that includes DoS. Everyone knows that.
I want to know the name of this company.
It has to be an attack from unfriendly sources. There just was not that many people voting to crash the system like this. Even half the people that are at the convention have already voted ahead of time.
And who is shutting down discussions? Paranoid or what, eh!
Looks like the failsafe went off. The system automatically shut down. So in other words due dilligence was done. Party staff should be being praised not dised.
Obviously I can't prove this right now but my hunch is that is it another political party trying to rig the results because they are afraid, very afraid of what is coming for them. Based on what we already know about the Robocall scandall I know where I would start looking.