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Rebecca, don't put that tinfoil hat on too tight, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheering on more free trade for the Canadian branch of global capitalism is not the way for the NDP to support workers.
An NDP government should renegotiate NAFTA and place Buy Canadian rules in key sectors of the economy, certainly in the energy sector but also in monopolies like CN rail - maybe that way Electro-Motive would still be in London Ontario. And that way Canadian workers would be able to buy lots of groceries in UFCW grocery stores. And in this week's news, the same deal with Air Canada hiving off its maintenance first to a separate company in Montreal and now to El Salvador?
Gaian, you live in Ontario, right? How is global free-trade working out for Ontario manufacturing right now? If the NDP embraces the free trade agenda, workers in many provinces and sectors will lose their jobs. The Conservatives and Liberals have done a fine job selling out the country to global capital, the NDP doesn't need to join in.
If they vote Topp, I saw it again, we are so screwed!
Someone else wrote, we want to lose, we want to lose. That would be so true!
1/2 hour till 3rd ballot results.
Regardless of what happens now on the convention floor it has probably already been decided by the advance voting.
I think it would be helpful to chill a bit and reflect on people who are supporting other candidates who did not win, and who will have some bruised feelings.
CPAC just reported that the NDP's CEO reported that there has been a DOS attack on the NDP's servers.
Aren't there bigger enemies of democracy around that we can save some venom for?
I liked DOS. CPM too. I guess times and acronyms have changed.
We'll see in about 15 minutes. Cullen has a lot of votes to catch up.
Cyberterrorism, LOL! If the system can be disrupted that easily by outsiders then bet it will. Look at it as comedy in the modern world. You looking to throw the perpetrators in Guatanamo? Have CSIS interview them in Sudan?
One would imagine that the system is state of art and has the "pipes' to handle large volumes. It's not rocket surgery any more. There was a denial of service attack in the 2003 leadership race. That's suspected this time (sorry I haven't read many comments above).
One interesting thing is the "low" online voter turnout.
I've gone from Nash to Cullen on ballot 3. Ballot 4? Not sure. I can't see that more of Nash's supporters would go to Nathan over either Mulcair or Topp. Although McDonough going to Topp was interesting. So you never know with all those advanced ballots how people ranked people below Nash.
Spend an inordinate amount of time trying to vote in rounds 2 and 3 but persevered. I was tempted to drive down to the Convention Centre to vote. But I heard there were also some delays there (not sure if that was the case).
Rebecca Blakeney just reported that everyone was able to vote. They blocked 2 IP addresses were somehow involved in clogging the system. She wasn't sure if they would "attack" from a different IP addresss for ballot 4.
Hint: I was able to get through on Ballot 3 with the French link.
For Unionist
C://dos
C://dos.run
run.dos.run
an oldie but a goodie
LTU, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I bought a hard drive when I was using CPM. It was 40 MBs and cost me 800 dollars!
Why is Ottawa Citizen reporting this at 5:49?
Not very confidence-inspiring. Unless it's an old report?
Because the Citizen LOVES the Tories and the Libs, and wants things not to change.
McDonough went for Cullen, not Topp.
I'm not saying it's a Conservative attacking the voting site. But if it's a Conservative, they did something that is going to backfire on them tremendously.
If the cons did it the sad thing is that no1 would care, this is just their typical way of doing things and Canadians don't seem outraged by these things as much as I expected us to be. Meh.
Some math for you all:
The results of the 2nd ballot:
Mulcair - 38.3%
Topp - 25%
Cullen - 19.8%
Nash - 16.8%
Assuming steady voter turnout (giant assuption at this point) and no non-eliminated candidates drift camps.
Nash voters second preferences for Cullen must exceed those for tops by 31 percentage points. I.E. Nash's 2nd preferences must breakdown something like this
Cullen 55
Topp 25
Mulcair 20
For cullen to get on the 4th ballot
Mulcair needs the support of another 11.7%(+1) of members to win the nomination. If Mulcair and Topp are on the ballot, that means he needs 32% of Cullen and Nash's current vote share to win the nomination. If Mulcair and Cullen are on the 4th ballot, he needs just 28% of Topp and Nash's support to win.
Algebra. You really do use it in real life.
It's so hilarious that most of the Mulcair supporters calling in to CPAC's open line show don't even know his name. It's Mul-CAIR, people, not Mul-CLAIR.
"I'm voting for the guy whose name I don't even know! Go MulCLAIR!" Heh.
Maybe some of the techies could weigh in if adequate tracks will have been left by the hackers.
But some of the biggest hacking events, I dont remember the perps being definitievely traced.
How many people does it take to do a hack attack like this?
1? 2?
Low numbers will make it virtually impossible to pin on the CPC. And maybe hard to guess more than a location.
No quite as funny as McDonut.
Does anyone remember a figure expected or guessed for voter/member turnout?
I dont know if 50% is that low. What was it in 2003?
Im so glad I didn't watch the whole thing.... soccer chants would drive me nutters after 5 hours.
I hear Catchfire's buying!
Ken, it depends on how the attacks were launched, what kind of DOS they used, whether they used zombie pcs (a pc that is accessed and used to attack another), among other things. It depnds truly on how sophisticated an attack or attacks was launched. It is very likely they won't be able to nail it down at all.
Here we go - results!
Nathan Cullen - 15,426
Brian Topp - 19,822
Thomas Mulcair - 27,488