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I keep hearing how Mulcair is a "gamble". Isn't it a bigger gamble to reject the candidate of your geographic base? Doesn't choosing Mulcair allow the NDP to do a better job of keeping the support they already have?
The party of principle has become the party of geopolitics.
Actually there are good reasons for wanting to unite social democrats in Quebec and the rest of Canada who have too often been divided because of the federalist/sovereigntist issue. There is no necessary contradiction between thinking about regions and thinking about principles, and in our present circumstances I think that combining the two concerns is in fact a principled, progressive approach.
James Moore is an observer, and he has been interviewed a few times already... you got to credit the man, he knows how to repeat the Harper-vetted message.
"They're all the same. Bigger taxes, bigger government and central control."
"Hard left. Hard, hard left."
Why do they even bother? He's been saying the exact same thing all day, no matter what questions they ask him.
I'm not sure that the party establisment have had any say in this.
I thought it was pretty much conventional wisdom that Topp was the party establishment candidate (support from Broadbent, Layton's probable favourite, etc.). But I could be wrong.
In any event, I can't imagine Topp staying in for a futile fourth ballot if the party establishment thought that doing so would be bad for the party. Topp's career and future employment is highly dependent on the goodwill of those folks.
He's also no fool and clearly must know he can't win.
My understanding is that Topp is also from Quebec, isn't he?
Anyhow, NorthReport is right - of course regional considerations affect electability in Quebec. I don't think it's the only consideration, but it certainly does have an effect.
James Moore is an observer, and he has been interviewed a few times already... you got to credit the man, he knows how to repeat the Harper-vetted message.
"They're all the same. Bigger taxes, bigger government and central control."
"Hard left. Hard, hard left."
Why do they even bother? He's been saying the exact same thing all day, no matter what questions they ask him.
Just saw Harper and Rae commensurating about Mulcair's victory over dinner at a restaurant in Calgary a few minutes ago. They were both bawling their eyes out. Rae was upset because his application to rejoing the NDP had been rejected, and Harper because he was now seriously regretting his comments about wanting to obliterate the Liberal Party.
So much for going to El Sol for dinner. We're ordering Thai in. (BTW, if anyone lives on the Danforth in Toronto, Red Chilli Thai restaurant is great!) And we're switching to the hockey game so we can catch the rest of it. Who knows, maybe the Leafs will win now that it no longer matters.
Mansbridge just said a Mulcair victory before the results are in! He's taking it for granted that Tom has won.
So did Topp supporter Alexandre Boulerice, on CPAC. He predicted Topp will have 40%. He went on to discuss how great Mulcair will be, while explaining that he (Boulerice) agreed with Topp on issues like raising taxes for the 1%. Excellent speech. Very impressive guy.
There are lots of maple leaf emblems decorating the hall, so I think that's enough patriotism for one hall. :)
Actually there are good reasons for wanting to unite social democrats in Quebec and the rest of Canada who have too often been divided because of the federalist/sovereigntist issue. There is no necessary contradiction between thinking about regions and thinking about principles, and in our present circumstances I think that combining the two concerns is in fact a principled, progressive approach.
Oooh, Coach's Corner is on the main CBC network! ;) And Don Cherry's in a shade of mauve that looks almost...wait for it...PINK!
I didn't hear that bit from Evan Solomon, so I'm glad you posted it, MS.
Still not voted.
James Moore is an observer, and he has been interviewed a few times already... you got to credit the man, he knows how to repeat the Harper-vetted message.
"They're all the same. Bigger taxes, bigger government and central control."
"Hard left. Hard, hard left."
Why do they even bother? He's been saying the exact same thing all day, no matter what questions they ask him.
I thought it was pretty much conventional wisdom that Topp was the party establishment candidate (support from Broadbent, Layton's probable favourite, etc.). But I could be wrong.
In any event, I can't imagine Topp staying in for a futile fourth ballot if the party establishment thought that doing so would be bad for the party. Topp's career and future employment is highly dependent on the goodwill of those folks.
He's also no fool and clearly must know he can't win.
My understanding is that Topp is also from Quebec, isn't he?
Anyhow, NorthReport is right - of course regional considerations affect electability in Quebec. I don't think it's the only consideration, but it certainly does have an effect.
Actually, Evan Solomon said he heard it from the Conservative strategists he was talking too. Was he talking to M. Spector?
Mansbridge just said a Mulcair victory before the results are in! He's taking it for granted that Tom has won.
Because he has.
Well, who hasn't?
Oh Christ. Voting has been extended ANOTHER HOUR.
Boom Boom, everyone is taking that for granted. :)
He has won. There's no doubt.
Yeah, but to say it on air - that is an unforgiveable journalistic error.
and the winner is .... an hour extension
Another hour??? Oh, Christ. Mansbridge just said the hockey game will be over before this is over.
Another hour??? Oh, Christ. Mansbridge just said the hockey game will be over before this is over.
Got in twice. Twice it wouldn't register my vote. WTF?
Why an hour? Oh well at least I didn't have to walk 5 miles to town to vote.
sv
Nice to have you around again with your input.
Just saw Harper and Rae commensurating about Mulcair's victory over dinner at a restaurant in Calgary a few minutes ago. They were both bawling their eyes out. Rae was upset because his application to rejoing the NDP had been rejected, and Harper because he was now seriously regretting his comments about wanting to obliterate the Liberal Party.
Try refreshing when you get the problem screens. That's what I did and it seemed to work. Hit refreshed and it went to the next screen and so on.
On my fourth "vote," it registered. Only took one hour and 15 minutes.
Anyone watching the game?
Was Harper wearing his vest and cowboy hat?
:)
Yup!
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So much for going to El Sol for dinner. We're ordering Thai in. (BTW, if anyone lives on the Danforth in Toronto, Red Chilli Thai restaurant is great!) And we're switching to the hockey game so we can catch the rest of it. Who knows, maybe the Leafs will win now that it no longer matters.
So did Topp supporter Alexandre Boulerice, on CPAC. He predicted Topp will have 40%. He went on to discuss how great Mulcair will be, while explaining that he (Boulerice) agreed with Topp on issues like raising taxes for the 1%. Excellent speech. Very impressive guy.