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NDP Leadership #145

Lou Arab
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Just to piss off Catchfire - Tongue out


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Unionist
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Ban him! Just ban him!


Boom Boom
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I think the current voting will be finished by midnight. I think Mulcair is leading.


Catchfire
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That's it. I quit. Eff this effing place.

Martin Singh for President!


Hunky_Monkey
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Anyone watching the special on CPAC? Just heard Judy Rebick say Jack was the first NDP leader that didn't want to attack and destroy the left. WTF? Really?

Hoodeet
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What?!  Quitting after we'd all become addicted to this thread? 

What about those of us who can't move to the Centre to party with you?


Unionist
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Ok Catchfire, just for that, I've changed my status.

 


Lou Arab
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I'm finally ready to make predictions on the race.


Hunky_Monkey
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Lou Arab wrote:

I'm finally ready to make predictions on the race.

Ah, Lou... gotta love ya :) BTW everyone, Lou was one of the people that signed me up to the NDP. Please don't hate him too much LOL :)

Ippurigakko
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anyone see 42nd canadian fed general wikipedia pic of Thomas ?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42nd_Canadian_federal_election


Brachina
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Here's to the next 145 NDP leadership race threads! You didn't think we were done did you catchfire? Mawhahahahahaha So who do you think will run next time say 2024? My bet is Niki doesn't run again, coming last has to hurt the ego even amoung politicians luke her. My bet is Nathan Cullen, Anne Quach, Rathika, Mike Layton, and Ruth Ellen Brossaeu. As to which one would win that's a more challenging question, I'd need to see thier platforms first.

Sean in Ottawa
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Keeping Libby is one giant step towards party unity.

 

For unity if he reaches out to Topp either as an MP or campaign official that will be the second step.

 

If he puts all the other candidates into senior critic portfolios and makes them part of his in circle that is the third step.

 

If he does some good work with Olivia Chow that is the fifth.

 

If he makes any staff moves quickly to reduce uncertainty keeping at least some of them that is the sixth

 

Broadbent could make a gesture but Mulcair does not need Broadbent now as he shrank in the last few days. Others are now more important


Maysie
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Brachina, don't make me hurt you.


Uncle John
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The election of TM4PM bodes well for the formation of a Party for the Canadian Left.


socialdemocrati...
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What can I say? I always said unity would win the day.

None of the candidates endorsed "not Mulcair".

Topp came together with Mulcair after the race.

Keeping Libby on was a classy move.

New Democrats are fundamentally INCAPABLE of agreeing on anything. But we CAN stay unified, in spite of that.

I'm reminded of George Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia", where he noted the "revolutionary discipline" of the irregular forces. No one was giving them orders, but they knew who their friends were, and who their enemies were, and what needed to be done.

Let's all do our part to make the NDP the most successful its ever been. That doesn't mean no criticism. It only means that criticism comes from a place of trust, that there's room for differing views on how to make for a more fair, more equal, and more participatory society.


Catchfire
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Ok Catchfire, just for that, I've changed my status.

Smile 

I can't tell if it's a show of solidarity or a threat. Story of my life, I guess.

Oh and Lou Arab, brachina, Hoodeet and Boom Boom are all banned of course. And Maysie for good measure.


Aristotleded24
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Reposting here:

Aristotleded24 wrote:
So here is my take on what happened:

The race was actually a contest between 2 sections of the party elite, with Topp representing more of the union/old guard wing, and Mulcair representing the Blairite wing. Despite what he may have led people to believe, Topp is not a strong advocate of the party's left-wing. He served under Roy Romanow, one of the most openly Blairite NDP governments Canada has ever elected. The grassroots candidates could not muster the resources to be major contenders, as seen by the fact that Charlie Angus and Megan Leslie didn't even run despite encouragement to do so, the fact that Niki Ashton actually received fewer votes than Martin Singh even though Singh didn't even run a real campaign, and the fact that candidates like Paul Dewar and Nathan Cullen didn't even make it to the final ballot. How else could Brian Topp have done so well, with the party recently electing a record number of seats and Topp not holding one himself, unless Topp had some serious backing from the party establishment? He very clearly played to the core left-wing ideas of the NDP base, and probably would have won if he didn't have a seat.

As for Mulcair? Despite the strong numbers he posted in the end, this is actually a stern rebuke. It took him four ballots to win, which suggests that people aren't so enthusiastic again. He made the mistake of accepting the media's narrative that he was the front-runner and heir apparent, and acted accordingly. While he worked very hard to win new NDP voters in Quebec, he basically took it for granted that the NDP base was going to support him no matter what. He did not show that he really got the NDP culture, and at times came across as being opposed, for example, his remarks about "union bosses." He never clarified what he meant by "modernizing" the party, even though he should have known that that kind of talk sets off alarm bells about shifting the NDP rightward, whether or not that was Mulcair's intent. His comments about "doing things differently" came across as insulting. They would have carried weight if the pattern for NDP seat numbers was either stagnant or in decline, but the NDP seat count increased in every election in the past decade, so what did the party need to do differently now? If he had taken more effort to reassure the NDP base, and even talk to them and show that he was going to listen to their concerns and not take them for granted, the vote may not have dragged on as long, in fact he could very easliy have won on the first ballot.


Brachina
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Maysie wrote:

Brachina, don't make me hurt you.

Your the 20th person to say that to me today, I'm almost starting to think its me. So I'll put you down as a Ruth Ellen Brosseau supporter in 2024?

Michelle
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Oh!  Ban me too!  Please!  I've overdosed on babble today! ;)


Catchfire
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Done!


Maysie
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Brachina Tongue out

On Facebook I'm discussing going drinking with the under-5-year-old kids of two of my friends. 

I'll take the banning, I need the rest.


Wilf Day
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Sean in Ottawa wrote:
If he puts all the other candidates into senior critic portfolios and makes them part of his in circle that is the third step.

If he does some good work with Olivia Chow that is the fifth.

Okay, I know you're waiting for someone to ask:

What should the fourth step be?


1springgarden
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socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:

What can I say? I always said unity would win the day.

None of the candidates endorsed "not Mulcair".

Topp came together with Mulcair after the race.

Keeping Libby on was a classy move.

New Democrats are fundamentally INCAPABLE of agreeing on anything. But we CAN stay unified, in spite of that.

I'm reminded of George Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia", where he noted the "revolutionary discipline" of the irregular forces. No one was giving them orders, but they knew who their friends were, and who their enemies were, and what needed to be done.

Let's all do our part to make the NDP the most successful its ever been. That doesn't mean no criticism. It only means that criticism comes from a place of trust, that there's room for differing views on how to make for a more fair, more equal, and more participatory society.

Save that kumbaya stuff, man.  Only half the 131,000 membership bothered to voted.  Of those that did only 57% voted for Mulcair.  That means 71% of the membership did not actually vote for Mulcair.  And you call that a mandate?  I give him a one week honeymoon and then one slip-up, bam, he'll have a full bore Waffle/NPI breathing down his neck from here to leadership review.

 

Hahaha, jokes!  Mulcair did well.  He'll have every opportunity to succeed as party leader.


ravenj
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Hunky_Monkey wrote:
Anyone watching the special on CPAC? Just heard Judy Rebick say Jack was the first NDP leader that didn't want to attack and destroy the left. WTF? Really?

She meant the left-wing of the NDP.


Brachina
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Maysie wrote:

Brachina Tongue out

On Facebook I'm discussing going drinking with the under-5-year-old kids of two of my friends. 

I'll take the banning, I need the rest.

I'd heard they were planning on dropping the minuim drinking age, but my gawd 5's a little low. On the plus side at least we don't have to worry about them driving drunk. Though the thought of a bunch of 5 year olds riding thier tricycles drunk is almost worth it.

Hoodeet
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socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:

 

I'm reminded of George Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia", where he noted the "revolutionary discipline" of the irregular forces. No one was giving them orders, but they knew who their friends were, and who their enemies were, and what needed to be done.

Hoodeet (JW)

Yes, and things got pretty mucked up and the Republican forces quite divided thanks to top-down leadership (the CP, which couldn't brook the Anarchists or other Communists or Socialists) .  A good cautionary tale for the NDP.


Arthur Cramer
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Thank-you Jack! (blessed be his memory)


socialdemocrati...
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Yeah, I'll try not to be too kumbaya for you guys. Unity will take some work. And it won't be perfect. But so far, all of the leadership candidates have shown signs they're willing to work at unity. I'm willing to do my part.


Wilf Day
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socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:
Keeping Libby on was a classy move.

And a fast one. He must have turned to her right after he finished his speech and asked if she would stay on. Then a few minutes later he announced it on CBC. An Olympic record?


Brachina
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I used to sing Kumbaya when I was a boyscout around the campfire. I still have no idea what it means, but I suspect it means "You took the last Smore, DIE!..."

R.E.Wood
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I don't think I've seen anyone comment on this, but I was very pleased to see - prominently, at the front of the stage around Mulcair during his acceptance speech - Ed Broadbent, Audrey McLaughlin, and Alexa McDonough...

That goes a long way to helping unite the past and the present, and help the various factions unite and move forward.

It would have been very nice if Mulcair had acknowledged and spoke of their presence up there on the stage with him.

Mulcair was my #3 choice, but the NDP is still my #1.


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