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Canada 'Cuts and Runs': The Afghan People Will Win - #26

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M. Spector
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And don't forget, as the Obamapologists love to remind us, that their Beloved Leader "reversed Bush torture policies"!


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Craig Scott, the NDP and the Taliban - by Tarek Fatah

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/20/craig-scott-the-ndp-and-the-taliban

"Taliban detainees in Afghan prisons have a new champion in Canada's parliament. Thanks to the NDP and voters in Toronto Danforth, law professor Craig Scott was elected to fill the seat vacated by the late NDP leader Jack Layton. Who is Craig Scott? His website describes him as having 'done substantial work on the Afghan detainee (Taliban) issue' that has obsessed the NDP since 2006, when the part first raised the issue of mistreatment of Taliban prisoners..."

Tarek Fatah, what an awful sellout LOL,  - that was then, this is now...


M. Spector
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Did Sgt. Bales have help?
by Jefferson Morley, Salon.com

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A group of Afghan parliamentary investigators has concluded that Bales was part of a group of 15-20 soldiers. As Outlook Afghanistan reported Monday, “The team spent two days in the province, interviewing the bereaved families, tribal elders, survivors and collecting evidences at the site in Panjwai district.” One of the parliamentarians told Pajhwok Afghan News that investigators believed 15 to 20 American soldiers carried out the killings.

“I have encountered almost no Afghan who believes it could have been one person acting alone, whether they think it was a group or people back at the base somehow organizing or facilitating it,” Kate Clark of  the Afghanistan Analysts Network told the Guardian. (The AAN is funded by four Scandanavian governments, all of which have troops in Afghanistan).

By contrast, few U.S. news account question that the massacre was the work of one man acting alone.


Fidel
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So their wacky lone gunman theory is not credible. Who knew?


M. Spector
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Glenn Greenwald wrote:

After Bradley Manning was arrested on charges that he leaked documents to WikiLeaks, he was held in intense solitary confinement for ten months until political pressure finally forced his transfer to more humane conditions in Fort Leavenworth; the top U.N. torture official last week concluded that Manning’s treatment during those 10 months was “cruel and inhumane.” By stark contrast, Staff Sgt. Robert Bales — the prime suspect in the slaughter of 16 Afghan civilians — is already at Fort Leavenworth and is receiving this treatment:

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Bales arrived at Fort Leavenworth last Friday and is being held in an isolated cell. He is “already being integrated into the normal pretrial confinement routine,” prison spokeswoman Rebecca Steed said.

The routine includes recreation, meals and cleaning the area where he is living. Steed said once his meetings with his attorneys are complete later in the week, Bales will resume the normal integration process.

An ABC News article back when Manning was transferred to Fort Leavenworth included these details:

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The 150 inmates at the facility — including eight who are awaiting trial — are allowed three hours of recreation a day, she said, and three meals a day in a dining area.

That likely means that there will be some substantial interaction between Bales and Manning. Think about that: if you expose to the world previously unknown evidence of widespread wanton killing of civilians (as Manning allegedly did), then you will end up in the same place as someone who actually engages in the mass wanton killing of civilians (as Bales allegedly did), except that the one who committed atrocities will receive better treatment than the one who exposed them. That’s a nice reflection of our government’s value system (similar to the way that high government officials who commit egregious crimes are immunized, while those who expose them are aggressively prosecuted). If the chat logs are to be believed, Manning decided to leak those documents because they revealed heinous war crimes that he could no longer in good conscience allow to be concealed, and he will now find himself next to a soldier who is accused of committing heinous war crimes.


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Bales arrived at Fort Leavenworth last Friday and is being held in an isolated cell. He is “already being integrated into the normal pretrial confinement routine,” prison spokeswoman Rebecca Steed said.  The routine includes recreation, meals and cleaning the area where he is living. Steed said once his meetings with his attorneys are complete later in the week, Bales will resume the normal integration process.

I suppose the different pre-trial custody arrangements between the two cases depends on if they consider the crime treasonous to the values they represent.  It's murdered kids vs indiscreet cables and emails.  But Fort Leavenworth is no club med all the same.  If they do it anything similar to the military detention barracks in Edmonton, recreation consists of directed military PT, the kind that if you're not doing it right, you get to practice more, and if you're not coughing up a lung from overexertion, they're not doing it right.  When I was in Ottawa years ago there was this guy who's work earned him a sentence of 90 days, due to some relatively minor but quite willful financial irregularity, while so entrusted.  He went out roughly 270-280 lbs and I didn't recognize him at the coffee circle after he returned, he had lost so much weight.  "Cleaning the area" for him apparently involved endlessly polishing everything in sight to a mirror finish.


Fidel
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How Joanne Herring won Charlie Wilson's war 

No explanation for Wilson's extended cold war in Central Asia, though. I guess Charlie, Joanne and Zia are to blame for this mess destabilizing Central Asia, Eastern Europe and Africa for the last 30 years in a row.

God bless America, whiiite picket fences and apple piiie. And Al-Qa'eda, too. The Daddy Warbucks are surely counting their lucky stars for the mujahideen-Taliban-Al-Qa'eda. What glorious times they have been for the warmongers.


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M. Spector wrote:

That likely means that there will be some substantial interaction between Bales and Manning.

I doubt that very much and being in pre-trial confinement and not being convicts I doubt neither one is in the general population.

Fort Leavenworth is as much a maximum security prison as any civilian one and the boyish looking Manning and the child killer Bales would have the same problems in the general population of a military prison as a civilian one. Their recreation is not sitting around shooting pool and watching TV with their buddies; it is more likely to be 3 hours in a 20 foot by 40 foot exercise area by themselves.    


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From My Lai to Kandahar: The Mass Killer as Hero
by JeffSparrow

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Blogger Charles Johnson writes:

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I've looked at about a dozen right wing sites this morning to see how they'd react to the news from Afghanistan, and the comments at every single one of them were full of people celebrating the killings, praising the soldier who allegedly committed them, and denying there was any crime, while at the same time frantically trying to blame the crime on President Obama.

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Since 2001, we've seen the normalization of torture against (mostly Muslim) detainees; the construction of secret prisons to detain Muslim prisoners indefinitely without charges or trial; the routinisation of assassinations and other extrajudicial killings of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen; and, most of all, deaths of (by the most conservative reckoning) hundreds of thousands of people, most of them Muslim, in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere.

What attitudes to ordinary Muslims does such a record inculcate? What notions does it foster about the way they should be treated?

Should we really be surprised that, within the semi-anonymity of a blog forum, a large number of Americans discuss Muslims as untermenschen, subhuman enemies of civilisation, fit only for extermination?

Back in 1971, "The battle hymn of Lt. Calley" sold a million copies in less than a week. Its final verse runs like this:

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When all the wars are over and the battle's finally won
Count me only as a soldier who never left his gun
With the right to serve my country as the only prize I've won ...

More than a decade of the War on Terror has, just as you would expect, created a new audience who wants to never leave the gun, an audience no longer shocked by atrocity but increasingly prepared to celebrate it. The consequences will be with us for a long time.


epaulo13
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Afghan shooting: U.S. pays $50,000 per villager killed

REPORTING FROM KABUL, AFGHANISTAN — The U.S. government has paid $50,000 in compensation for each of the Afghan villagers who were killed in a shooting rampage in which an American soldier faces murder charges, Afghan officials said Sunday. Families of the wounded received $11,000 per injured victim.

The sum is unusually large for deaths and injuries attributed to Western troops — a reflection, U.S. officials said, of the scope and significance of the case. The shootings are the most serious alleged war crime by a Western service member to come to light in the course of the 10-year conflict.

The American military did not publicly confirm the sums paid out in the killings in Kandahar province’s Panjwayi district, but a member of the Kandahar provincial council, Agha Lalai Dastgeeri, confirmed the amount of the payments, as did Jaan Agha, a tribal elder in Panjwayi.

PHOTOS: Afghanistan shooting

U.S. Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales faces 17 counts of "premeditated" homicide, as well as other charges in connection with the March 11 assault on villagers living close to his base. The count of fatalities by Afghan officials and relatives was 16; the discrepancy has not been explained....


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Robert Bates - Lone Nut or Scapegoat - by Justin Raimondo

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30906.htm

"What are the Americans hiding.."


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Canadian Miners Make the Big Move into Afghanistan - by Michael Skinner

http://michaelskinnerresearch.wordpress.com/2011/12/12/canadian-miners-m...

"And we wonder why they resist from Afghanistan to Attawapiskat.."

 

Afghan Screams Aren't Heard  - by Kathy Kelly and Hakim

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/04/20/afghan-screams-arent-heard/

"...I ask our friend, Hakim, who mentors the Afghan Peace Volunteers, if ordinary Afghans are aware that the US has an estimated 400 or more Forward Operating Bases across Afghanistan and that it is planning to construct what will become the world's largest US Embassy, in Kabul. Hakim thinks young people across Kabul are well aware of this. 'Do they know,' I asked, 'that the US Air Force has hired 60,000 - 70,000 analysts to study information collected through drone surveillance? The film footage amounts to the equivalent of 58,000 full length feature films. The Rand Corporation says that 100,000 analysts are needed to understand 'patterns of life' in Afghanistan.."


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MSNBC: Evidence of Multiple Shooters, Night Raid in Sgt Bales Case (and vid)

http://warisacrime.org/content/msnbc-evidence-multiple-shooters-night-ra...

"We are facing an almost complete information blackout from the government, which is having a devastating effect on our ability to investigate the charges preferred against our client.."

 

US Trades Night Raids on Afghan Civilians for Permanent Stay (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/237632.html

"The United States and Afghanistan have signed a strategic partnership deal that would entail US presence beyond 2014.."


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US-Afghanistan Deal 'National Treachery' Against Afghans: Analyst (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/237653.html

"A prominent analyst tells Press TV that the Afghan people whole-heartedly oppose the Status of Forces Agreement [SOFA} between US and Afghanistan, calling it a 'national treachery'."

How long does Canada participate in this ongoing, illegal and brutal occupation, without a peep of protest from its people? We still have 1000 people there.


Fidel
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Harper holds firm to Afghanistan pullout date 2009

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"I was very clear in my meetings in the United States last week that that remains Canada's plan," said Harper

As Porky Pig would say, Th-th-that's all folks. Steve Harper is their most loyal and obedient lapdog.


Fidel
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RAWA, April 19 wrote:
How ironic is it that sitting in the Afghan parliament, right under our noses, is Abdul Rab al-Rasul Sayyaf, the man who first invited Osama bin Laden to Afghanistan before the Taliban rule, who trained and mentored Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, and who massacred thousands in Kabul during the 1990s? There he sits as a member of a government that Western nations support by various means including the lives of our soldiers.

The phonyest war on terror continueth.


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Canada and US Officials in Discussions To Keep Canadian Special Forces in Afghanistan Post-2014 - by David Pugliese

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Canada/6511791/story.html

"US and Canadian officials are in discussion over a Pentagon request to keep Canadian special forces in Afghanistan beyond the 2014 withdrawal the Conservative government promised.."

are you good with that? Thought so...


Fidel
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It sounds like our colonial administrators in Ottawa are about to receive further instructions from Warshington. Harper is an embarrassment to all Canadians.


NDPP
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America wants those who are closest to their own.

http://rabble.ca/comment/1182948

let us see what our 'loyal opposition' says to this...


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Night Raid Prompts Recent Afghanistan Shootout: Reports

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/238452.html

"New reports have revealed that a controversial night raid ignited a late Wednesday shootout in Afghanistan during which four people died, including a US soldier.

'They were taking part in a night raid...Probably Afghan and US forces had an argument that triggered the incident. As a result, an Afghan special forces member opened fire and killed one US special forces member along with an interpreter,' AFP quoted the police chief of Sha Wali Kot district in Kandahar province as saying on Friday..."


M. Spector
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Nice to see the "training" paying off...


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NATO's Lies on Afghanistan Continue  - by Haroon Siddiqui

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1169804--nato-s-...

"...NATO cannot win in Afghanistan. It could have, should have, some years ago. But now it cannot, certainly not before its scheduled withdrawal in 2014. So why does Stephen Harper want to 'examine all options,' including extending the Canadian involvement? Almost 70 percent of Americans favour pulling out. In Britain, 73 percent think the war cannot be won. Canadians have long opposed the war.

Why not pull out now?"


Fidel
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TheStar wrote:
The only way out is for Hamid Karzai and his successors to share power with the Taliban, while NATO maintains bases to keep an eye on both and to live up to the pledge of not abandoning Afghanistan, yet again.

That's not a way out. 

It's called establishing a colonial outpost for the long term by partnering-up with their "former" proxies in Kabul, the Taliban.

The phony war on terror continues.

 


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Taliban Resistance Announce Spring Offensive

http://presstv.com/detail/239300.html

"Taliban have announced that they will launch their annual 'spring offensive' across Afghanistan on Thursday, vowing to increase their attacks on the US-led forces in the country..."

still including 1000 Canadians in this illegal war


Slumberjack
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The result of the 'bring the troops home' mantra, via the scenic route.  Instead of ending the mission we're getting 'missionaried' by the collective obfuscation out of Parliament.


NDPP
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Exactly. And what ever happened to the Detainee torture issue or the investigations into 'unlawful killing' by Canada's Special Forces (JTF2)? I get the impression there's not much traction from any side in the evil Ottawa talkshop..


Slumberjack
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No, not much traction up there on the slippery slope off Wellington.  Pretty slimey actually.


Fidel
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Don't worry, the US Military isn't going anywhere by "2014" nor their obedient colonial troop task force from the North. The CIA and US taxpayers are funding the spread of militant Islam("Al-Qaeda") in Afghanistan as usual and especially into Tajikistan, Uzbekistan etc. Real imperialists don't just pack up and leave as some here would lead us to think. At least not like the multinational Atlantic Alliance achieved in forcing out the Sovs and Soviet-backed Afghan government by 1992. This is the Gladio alliance's last stand in Central Asia, and they don't intend on giving up so easily. Again these are real imperialists doing the occupying this time and not imaginary ones.

The Taliban know that their power is real only so long as they receive US Military and US taxpayer support. Without US and NATO aid their power would be vastly diminished. Look for a power sharing deal between the USA's mujahideen friends in Kabul and the USA's "former" proxies in Kabul, the Taliban, sooner or later.


M. Spector
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Fidel wrote:

The Taliban know that their power is real only so long as they receive US Military and US taxpayer support. Without US and NATO aid their power would be vastly diminished. Look for a power sharing deal between the USA's mujahideen friends in Kabul and the USA's "former" proxies in Kabul, the Taliban, sooner or later.

What utter horseshit!


Fidel
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M. Spector wrote:

Fidel wrote:

The Taliban know that their power is real only so long as they receive US Military and US taxpayer support. Without US and NATO aid their power would be vastly diminished. Look for a power sharing deal between the USA's mujahideen friends in Kabul and the USA's "former" proxies in Kabul, the Taliban, sooner or later.

What utter horseshit!

I'm only repeating what actual Afghans and other Asians themselves say about it. I'm not sure who is feeding you your horseshit. Perhaps you are better informed than they? Quit being anal retentive and tell us the way it is.


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