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Gun registry - back in the news

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Unionist
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Boom Boom wrote:

Quebec data only. But Conservative MP Candace Heoppner said yesterday on P&P that the government will fight Quebec over this all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada if necessary.

We don't recognize the Supreme Court of Cannida.

As for Candace Hoeppner, once we get true gun control legislation in place, she'll be a long shot for re-election.

 


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Brian White wrote:

Here in Victoria, the Police caught a guy working in a local gun shop who pilfered a huge quantity of guns (159) from the store.  It was pretty big news.  They (police) don't think they would have caught him or would have caught him much later, if it was not for the registry.  http://www.timescolonist.com/business/Saanich+police+arrest+after+guns+s...

Thankfully he was just a gun nut who stole them for his personal collection.  He stole them over 4 years!

The message here is pretty clear.  It is easy in Canada to steal guns. And the Conservatives want to make it easier....

Unfortunately, not just for his personal collection.

But thanks to the now killed registry many more were not sold untracked on the internet.

The "law and order" Cons  have removed that inconvenience.

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Published: March 20, 2012 3:00 PM
The Saanich gun enthusiast who stole more than a quarter-million-dollars worth of firearms and hunting gear from his employer now faces weapons trafficking charges, after police learned he sold a number of the stolen guns.
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Sgt. Dean Jantzen says police have tracked six of those weapons to homes in the Capital Region, and are in the process of recovering them. More guns however, were illegally sold to buyers outside of B.C., and recovering those will require the assistance of other law enforcement agencies in Canada.
Though Jantzen said tracking all the stolen items has been a "logistical nightmare" for detectives, as well as B.C.'s Chief Firearms Officers, he says the unusual fact that the employee had registered all the stolen weapons with Canadian Firearms Registry has helped in the investigation.

"Every single one of these (trafficking) charges stems from records obtained through the registry," Jantzen said. Ownership of all the guns sold online was transferred using the proper documentation....


http://www.saanichnews.com/news/143540916.html


Juan For All
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I am a Canadian police officer (a so called pig as mentioned on this site several times) and the LGR did nothing for the safety of this country.  If you think it did then you are uninformed and ignorant.  Canadian police as a whole did not support the registry - the CACP did support it but they are a political group with political agendas and don't speak on behalf of police officers.

If you are truly for freedom in this country you should be happy that the LGR has been dismantled.  It did nothing for safety, it merely put law abiding people at odds with the police.

 

JFA


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Dominion Link wrote:

 

But the registering of firearms, as a part of criminal legislation no less, is as effective at preventing gun crime as vehicle registration is at preventing impaired/distracted/carless driving.

 

Registration served no positive purpose in preventing any crimes, but it sure made it easy for otherwise law abiding Canadians to become criminals if their paperwork expired.

 

I know you didn't say (or think) this, but it's the most logical thing I've read in this thread... 

 

Rebecca West wrote:
Righteous fantasy #137

If I were a law enforcement agent, I'd export all the data, encrypt it and store it on a safe server.  Of course, if the information continued to be used the source would eventually be discovered and it would be expunged, but still ...

 

And that would be breaking the law, but Liberals & L.E.O.'s are above the law aren't they... ~rolls eyes~

(RE: Jack Laytons massage parlour scandal, and the Toronto G20 security fiasco)

 

Rebecca West wrote:

 

Toodles Dlink and Dushan.

 

I see the oppression of free speech is also alive & well on Rabble, as well as the gun-grabbing movement. (insert politically-incorrect "up-yours" emoticon HERE)

It's amazing, the similarity between left-wing Liberal supporters, & dictatorships like Communist North Korea/Nazi Germany/etc...


NorthReport
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Thanks for sharing.

PS don't let the barn door hit you on your way out.


boomer_74
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NorthReport wrote:
Thanks for sharing.

PS don't let the barn door hit you on your way out.

 

See... This is the best you can muster ? No "the registry has saved countless vulnerable women from their oppressing husbands!"..?

 

In fact, freeloading Liberals love wasting my hard-earned tax-dollars on a program that has no merit and makes criminals out of law-abiding citizens.

RE: Ian Thompson, Bruce Montague, etc...

 

 


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denogganizer
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I get a kick out of all ''the sky is falling'' friends of the registry...An uninfomed buch they are... In 1977 ANYONE who wanted to legally purchase a new firearm were required to have a valid FAC (firearms aquisition certificate)..Then with the introduction of C-68 in 1995 ALL gun owners had to have a POL/PAL to possess or purchase a firearm..This means that ALL firearm owners were registered as such, and makes the long gun registry a double registy...A total wast of parliment, and taxpayers money... Even though the long gun registry is gone, gun owners are sill registerd, and that will continue to be...It changes nothing....Anyone who has or ever had an FAC, POL, or PAL are on record and thus registered..Not many realize this..Gun owners, and non-gun owners alike...

coreyd
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Brian White wrote:

Here in Victoria, the Police caught a guy working in a local gun shop who pilfered a huge quantity of guns (159) from the store.  It was pretty big news.  They (police) don't think they would have caught him or would have caught him much later, if it was not for the registry.  http://www.timescolonist.com/business/Saanich+police+arrest+after+guns+s...

Thankfully he was just a gun nut who stole them for his personal collection.  He stole them over 4 years!

Actually it was an audit that caught the crime, not the long gun registry.

Brian White wrote:

The message here is pretty clear.  It is easy in Canada to steal guns. And the Conservatives want to make it easier.

It's not as easy as most other items they steal. Without a central repository of information, it's that much harder

Brian White wrote:

 The criminals need easier access to better tools.   How else can you fill the new prisons? 

Before you know it, your local friendly dopehead/ part-time dopedealer will be retired and he will be replaced with a gun carrying brute (with a sampling of harder drugs). This guy will be affiliated with a much meaner bunch of people for his own protection. 

I don't know what valhalla you live in, but they are already well armed and organized. Very few of the guns they have were ever legally brought into Canada.

Brian White wrote:

This is all part of Harpers plan to relocate first nations from reserve to prison, and give a boost to the arms industry and to his select friends in the construction, slave labour ( outsourcing prisoners)  and catering industry, (Cheap shitty food for prisoners but billed to the tax payer at 5 star rates).  "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" is a battle cry for idiots.

Those are some pretty serious claims, care to provide even the slightest amount of proof? or would you just prefer to continue the slander?

Brian White wrote:

Bullets kill people, but without a gun, it is kinda difficult to get them up to speed.

More people are killed by vehicles in a single week in Canada than are killed by firearms each year. Do you spend 52x the effort to ban vehicles? It's all about saving lives right? Why go after the small fish.

 

 


coreyd
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Unionist wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

Quebec data only. But Conservative MP Candace Heoppner said yesterday on P&P that the government will fight Quebec over this all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada if necessary.

We don't recognize the Supreme Court of Cannida.

As for Candace Hoeppner, once we get true gun control legislation in place, she'll be a long shot for re-election.

 

 

Maybe you shouldn't recognize the transfer payments from the federal gov't either. After C-10 went through we heard how Queerbec couldn't afford to enforce the new requirements and needed more money from the federal gov't to do this... where is the money coming from to run their own long gun registry? Queerbec is poor right?


Rebecca West
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So long coreyd ... wish I could say it was nice knowing ya.


Rebecca West
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Rebecca West wrote:

So long coreyd ... wish I could say it was nice knowing ya.

ETA: It's been a while since we had so many trolls as special guests on babble.  Did Free Dominion's server finally shut them down?

ETAA: Hit the quote button instead of edit.  I need a vacation ...


bigguy1
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Rebecca West wrote:

Righteous fantasy #137

If I were a law enforcement agent, I'd export all the data, encrypt it and store it on a safe server.  Of course, if the information continued to be used the source would eventually be discovered and it would be expunged, but still ...

 

 

I have a question for you. Why ban members for voicing their opinions? I know they may be different than yours but they are still valid. No rules were broken.

You ban these members, yet you post that if you had access to to documents you would abuse your power and break the law. Is one to assume then, that you may also abuse your power on here as a mod to move your argument forward?


Freedom 55
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bigguy1 wrote:

Why ban members for voicing their opinions?

 

Who are you referring too?


bigguy1
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Freedom 55 wrote:

bigguy1 wrote:

Why ban members for voicing their opinions?

 

Who are you referring too?

 

Rebecca West and her banning of coreyd, dlink and dushan.


Freedom 55
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bigguy1 wrote:

Freedom 55 wrote:

bigguy1 wrote:

Why ban members for voicing their opinions?

 

Who are you referring too?

 

Rebecca West and her banning of coreyd, dlink and dushan.

 

In the case of dlink, I'm not sure, but in the other two cases it should be pretty obvious. I'm not a mod, but I think your assertion that no rules were broken is incorrect.


tjswanky
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Bill C-19 is the greatest thing that has happened to legal gun owners in the last 20 years!!!


tjswanky
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Bill C-19 is the greatest thing that has happened to legal gun owners in the last 20 years!!!


Unionist
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From post #26 above:

Unionist wrote:

Nice to see the NRA following babble! We should charge admission here.

I hate to say "I told you so", but had my suggestion been implemented back then, we would have put a serious dent in the NRA's disinformation budget. Better late than never...

Anyway, I still like the idea of the law-abiding God-fearing gun fetishists having to support Québec's court challenge with their hard-robbed-earned tax dollars! So cool!!

 


Rebecca West
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Oh yay.  Two more trolls taking a break from watching back-to-back Chuck Heston biblical extravaganzas.


KevMiller
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denogganizer wrote:
I get a kick out of all ''the sky is falling'' friends of the registry...An uninfomed buch they are... In 1977 ANYONE who wanted to legally purchase a new firearm were required to have a valid FAC (firearms aquisition certificate)..Then with the introduction of C-68 in 1995 ALL gun owners had to have a POL/PAL to possess or purchase a firearm..This means that ALL firearm owners were registered as such, and makes the long gun registry a double registy...A total wast of parliment, and taxpayers money... Even though the long gun registry is gone, gun owners are sill registerd, and that will continue to be...It changes nothing....Anyone who has or ever had an FAC, POL, or PAL are on record and thus registered..Not many realize this..Gun owners, and non-gun owners alike...
I agree with this. Soon after I got my PAL in 2000 I recived a letter from the RCMP informing me that I had an FAC since 1981, and if I had any guns to register I could still do so. I was very surprised to say the least.Even though I owned no guns at this time, I was still on the books as having an FAC in the past, a possibe gun owner.

Catchfire
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So I banned a few more NRA fans. I wonder where they're getting the link from. I wish we could charge admission!

For regular babblers who oppose the gun registry, please note that these bannings are about clear trolls and not the position itself. 


Boom Boom
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I had an FAC in the 1980s and a long gun collection, but I sold my guns at the end of that decade and never renewed my FAC after that, and never had anyone do a follow-up. Certainly I never got a letter from the RCMP. In the 1980s I also shot handguns using an OPP handgun permit, and handguns belonging to friends. Again, no follow-up from anyone. I supported the Long Gun Registry and had hoped its deficiencies would be corrected and the LGR become a normal part of Canadian life, as regular as driver's licenses. The Conservatives have been absolute pricks at every juncture of the LGR including how they're fighting giving Quebec control over their own database.


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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/04/08/mulcair-tout-le-monde-en-parle.html

Mulcair said Sunday that it was a "monumental error" for the Tories to kill the long-gun registry, and that if a future NDP election platform included a pledge to bring it back, he would make his caucus vote for it. Layton had allowed his MPs to vote freely on the issue in 2010 when it came up as a private member's bill in Parliament, though New Democrats were expected to toe the party line and vote to save the registry when the government presented a bill to kill it in the fall and winter.


Juan For All 2
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Catchfire wrote:

So I banned a few more NRA fans. I wonder where they're getting the link from. I wish we could charge admission!

For regular babblers who oppose the gun registry, please note that these bannings are about clear trolls and not the position itself. 

Well, I only made one post and it was nothing more than my opinion on the gun registry and I got banned.  I am not sure why you would ban me if you say the bannings are about trolling.  I don't believe I was trolling and I certainly wasn't intending to come across that way.  I merely wanted to add my 2 cents to the discussion on a topic that is of great debate in this country.

JFA2


jdman
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bigguy1 wrote:

Rebecca West wrote:

Righteous fantasy #137

If I were a law enforcement agent, I'd export all the data, encrypt it and store it on a safe server.  Of course, if the information continued to be used the source would eventually be discovered and it would be expunged, but still ...

 

 

I have a question for you. Why ban members for voicing their opinions? I know they may be different than yours but they are still valid. No rules were broken.

You ban these members, yet you post that if you had access to to documents you would abuse your power and break the law. Is one to assume then, that you may also abuse your power on here as a mod to move your argument forward?

Give this man a cigar!


Freedom 55
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jdman wrote:

Rebecca West wrote:

So long coreyd ... wish I could say it was nice knowing ya.

 

so you banned this guy cause he disagreed with you? WoW! That is quite ignorant of you.

 

It's ignorant of you to not know babble policy or understand how post #40 would earn oneself the boot.


Catchfire
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So, jdman is banned. Just assume any more of his ilk will also be banned. I probably won't announce it, I'll just do it. God bless us all.


RevolutionPlease
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And God bless Amerada.

SandyV
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Not only should we bring back the LGR, we should create a knife registry. And propane cylinder hook-up classes. Maybe chainsaw use certificates: use it once, punch the tag, show punched tag to federally mandated powered saw overseer. Also rope. People hurt themselves with rope all the time, dangerous stuff. I favour a rope licencing bureaucracy. And a new building for the bureaucrats. Perhaps by raising the gas tax? We should let contractors in Quebec bid for it. And then build it in the Yukon.


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