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NorthReport
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When and more importantly why did the party system start?

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Federal Liberals' desperation growing in wake of Mulcair’s NDP win

 

http://www.capebretonpost.com/Opinion/Columns/2012-04-16/article-2954411...


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THE VIEW FROM THE WEST

Winnipeg Free Press - PRINT EDITION

Mulcair is NDP's mojo man

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/westview/mulcair-is-ndps-mojo-m...


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Rosemary Barton tweets:

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NDP shadow cabinet: now with *3* deputy leaders: Libby Davies, David Christopherson and Megan Leslie. #hw

source: https://twitter.com/#!/RosieBarton/status/193005685783535617

 


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Mixed feelings about this.

Three deputies is at least one too many. The title is now more meaningless than ever.

That none are from Quebec presumably signifies Mulcair has that covered. I don't know that's the best message to counter the Lib/Con smear that Mulcair is not a leader for all of Canada.

Is this really a promotion for Megan Leslie? She's been a great Environment critic. Presumably she'll be giving that up?

I suppose my feelings aren't as mixed as I'd first thought.


KenS
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I would not assume that Deputy Leader means giving up / not holding more substantive roles. Especially with 3 of them.


Stockholm
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I'm not sure why we should assume that Megan Leslie would give up being Environment critic or that she might not also be made critic of something else. Up to now the position of Deputy leader has always been a bit of an honorific coupled with other job descriptions: Mulcair himself was previously Deputy Leader AND Finance Critic and then Deputy Leader AND House Leader. Libby Davies was previously Deputy Leader AND House Leader and then she became Deputy Leader AND Health Critic.

My guess is that the Deputy leaders will each have critic responsibilities but will have an additional role to play as regional representatives.


JeffWells
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Okay then. I was anxious this signaled Leslie being shuffled out. Until we learn more I'll attempt to remain calm....


Stockholm
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Word has it that Nathan Cullen is to be the new House Leader

http://www.vancouversun.com/Nathan%20Cullen%20receive%20major%20promotio...

any thoughts on that?


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JeffWells wrote:

Mixed feelings about this.

Three deputies is at least one too many. The title is now more meaningless than ever.

That none are from Quebec presumably signifies Mulcair has that covered. I don't know that's the best message to counter the Lib/Con smear that Mulcair is not a leader for all of Canada.

Is this really a promotion for Megan Leslie? She's been a great Environment critic. Presumably she'll be giving that up?

I suppose my feelings aren't as mixed as I'd first thought.

Traditionally the role of deputy leader is meaningless, to Mulcair that is very much not the case, to Mulcair deputy leader=regional leader and it comes with high expectations. Whether or not these come with other critic roles, these three will have a great deal of responsiblity. As for Mulcair not choosing a Quebec deputy, given he's from Quebec he'd be accused of showing Quebec favouritism. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't :p My only worry is will the Praire's see Libby as a good deputy for the West the way the East will see Megan Leslie as Deputy for the East or will they see Libby as the Deputy for BC and wonder why Praires got left out. I'd prefer the former other the latter, although maybe the,Praire's will get something in exchange.

Brachina
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It means Nathan's getting a well deserved raise :D.

kropotkin1951
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On the campaign trail Nathan seemed to have gotten along with everyone. He resume also screams good logistic and organizational skills. So it makes sense.

I would prefer a BC MP to be the point person on the pipelines issues and thus the environmental critic. Nathan has great credentials in the North but the big fight is likely going to come in the South. The transport of the filthy bitumen is the major environmental issue facing us over the next ten years. Stopping it must be an NDP priority and whoever gets the environmental file needs to hit the ground running.  The Southern route is on the fast "steamroller" track. It would be a good time to have an MP who represents a Salish Sea riding front and center.


Howard
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JeffWells wrote:

Okay then. I was anxious this signaled Leslie being shuffled out. Until we learn more I'll attempt to remain calm....

At convention, if you were looking for Leslie she was hanging out in the Mulcair section link. Don't know if that suggests anything.


Stockholm
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Brachina wrote:
It means Nathan's getting a well deserved raise :D.

Agreed, but the Opposition House Leader is ideally a master of parliamentary strategy and procedures etc...I wasn't aware of Cullen having those strengths...doesn't mean he isn't up to the task, just that I was not aware of it...then again, the House leader is the one who has to negotiate with the other two parties and maybe it is good to have a 'nice guy" like Cullen who claims to want more cooperation in that role.


Haddy
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If Nathan is being promoted to House Leader it means Joe Comartin is being moved out.  Nathan is a great guy but this is a HUGE loss for the Caucus.  Comartin and Mulcair never seem to get along especially given Mulcairs blanket support for Israel and villifying Libby.  

Wonder if Comartin will retire now.


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Megan was someone I suggested in previous threads to be a deputy leader (go through all the NDP leadership threads to find it... haha). But Dave Christopherson? A bit... surprising.

Stockholm
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Comartin only took over the job of House Leader temporarily from Mulcair while he was running for the leadership - so its not like he had had that job for long...let's wait and see what role Mulcair has in store for him. If Comartin really had an "issue" with Mulcair - one would have expected him to have endorsed one of the other leadership candidates as opposed to staying neutral to the end.


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Haddy wrote:

If Nathan is being promoted to House Leader it means Joe Comartin is being moved out.  Nathan is a great guy but this is a HUGE loss for the Caucus.  Comartin and Mulcair never seem to get along especially given Mulcairs blanket support for Israel and villifying Libby.  

Wonder if Comartin will retire now.

Uh huh. Anyways, Joe has been House Leader just for the past 6 months. I doubt things will fall apart if he's not in that specific role.

KenS
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Never seen any indication Joe would take it that hard. If anything, he was expecting it.


Howard
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Hunky_Monkey wrote:
Megan was someone I suggested in previous threads to be a deputy leader (go through all the NDP leadership threads to find it... haha). But Dave Christopherson? A bit... surprising.

Christopherson is a super impressive person who was one of the most successful cabinet ministers in an ONDP government. He is a veteran and shows that Mulcair is serious about his support of labour.


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KenS wrote:

Never seen any indication Joe would take it that hard. If anything, he was expecting it.

Joe is quite a brilliant MP. A real veteran. Regardless of what happens to him portfolio wise, the NDP needs him as a mentor (and for his expertise on Justice issues).


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kropotkin1951 wrote:
I would prefer a BC MP to be the point person on the pipelines issues and thus the environmental critic. Nathan has great credentials in the North but the big fight is likely going to come in the South. The transport of the filthy bitumen is the major environmental issue facing us over the next ten years. Stopping it must be an NDP priority and whoever gets the environmental file needs to hit the ground running.  The Southern route is on the fast "steamroller" track. It would be a good time to have an MP who represents a Salish Sea riding front and center.

was thinkin along those lines myself. then I thought the east coast is having issues itself with fracking. whose plight is more important?

then i thought some more with Nathan being house leader he won't have time for it all plus his ever so sweet twins. 

the environment critic is going to need time and skill in the next couple of years. who else is there that has a big yen for environmental stuff?

subject change cause i am lazy to make another post

what's this about Cromartin though i have never really heard of him and Mulcair not getting along? and adding  Libby Davis into the equation bothers me. Libby is "a" deputy leader and i saw her speak front and centre yesterday about  that guy in Cuba. doesn't seem like Mulcair is treating her oh so badly to me. if she doesn't have an issue with mulcair why'd others have 'em?


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I find 3 deputy leaders kind of weird but it remains to see what their role will be. If Mulcair is out of the House a lot because he is touring, they can cover for him and cover the regions that need representation. Only Leslie has French if I am not mistaken.

If Mulcair's plan for the deputies is to treat them like "lieutenants" (i.e. send them out on tour), then this may have proven a shrewd move. Davies never struck me as the lieutenant type though. Maybe she will be his number two in the house and the others do outreach. That would be interesting. Mulcair could focus on the prairies and Leslie & Christopherson could focus on the other regions where the NDP needs growth.

This move also makes me wonder how large the new shadow cabinet will be.


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Howard wrote:
I find 3 deputy leaders kind of weird but it remains to see what their role will be. If Mulcair is out of the House a lot because he is touring, they can cover for him and cover the regions that need representation. Only Leslie has French if I am not mistaken.

If Mulcair's plan for the deputies is to treat them like "lieutenants" (i.e. send them out on tour), then this may have proven a shrewd move. Davies never struck me as the lieutenant type though. Maybe she will be his number two in the house and the others do outreach. That would be interesting. Mulcair could focus on the prairies and Leslie & Christopherson could focus on the other regions where the NDP needs growth.

This move also makes me wonder how large the new shadow cabinet will be.

i  kinda like the idea of 3 deputy leaders.  power sharing and all ya know. seems  to have a regional  presence all 'cept for the prairies.

makes more sense to have Megan be 2nd in the House given she has french .

 on a tangent maybe Linda Duncan could be environment minister? that'd be a huge break through for the Prairies.


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Ippurigakko wrote:

 

:D

hah


Howard
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quizzical wrote:

Howard wrote:
I find 3 deputy leaders kind of weird but it remains to see what their role will be. If Mulcair is out of the House a lot because he is touring, they can cover for him and cover the regions that need representation. Only Leslie has French if I am not mistaken.

If Mulcair's plan for the deputies is to treat them like "lieutenants" (i.e. send them out on tour), then this may have proven a shrewd move. Davies never struck me as the lieutenant type though. Maybe she will be his number two in the house and the others do outreach. That would be interesting. Mulcair could focus on the prairies and Leslie & Christopherson could focus on the other regions where the NDP needs growth.

This move also makes me wonder how large the new shadow cabinet will be.

i  kinda like the idea of 3 deputy leaders.  power sharing and all ya know. seems  to have a regional  presence all 'cept for the prairies.

makes more sense to have Megan be 2nd in the House given she has french .

 on a tangent maybe Linda Duncan could be environment minister? that'd be a huge break through for the Prairies.

Duncan was Environment critic previously. She crossed to Mulcair when Dewar dropped off after the first ballot. After the first caucus meeting she was quoted in the media as being "thrilled" or something like that with Mulcair's new leadership.


quizzical
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 she would've been critic  when the Libs were the OO then. and sweet maybe there is something to my ill-informed musings.


KenS
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Cullen is House Leader

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Cullen, the father of twin toddlers, did not take on a critic role after the May 2 election at his request.

 

Assuming that isnt revionist history that explains somethings.

I wondered why Nathan was dropped down. Just chalked it up to so many new people. Though I did still wonder why Nathan. But it had to be somebody(s).


quizzical
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where did I write that?


Haddy
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Apparently it is being reported here in Ottawa that Comartin is holding a press conference tomorrow morning.  It is being reported that he is retiring or stepping down as MP for Windsor. 


KenS
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write what?

:)


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