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Alberta Election - Thread #4

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Aristotleded24
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Howard wrote:
Aristotleded24 wrote:
Howard wrote:
Boom Boom wrote:
I though it looked like the Liberals would be wiped out tooday. CBC Newsworld had someone discussing the possibility of the PCs working with the NDP - as strange as that sounds!!!

Last night I heard someone - again on CBC - asking Liberal and NDP voters to vote PC to stop the Wild Rose. Sounds like desperation.

None of this will be necessary. The WRA are going to win a large majority tonight. Hopefully the NDP will pick up some seats and be an effective thorn in their side. Whatever is left of the PCs will wither before the next election. The Alberta Liberals may be shut out. If they are, their fortunes will depend partially on what happens at the national level and partially whether the NDP makes a solid investment in Calgary and environs or not. I predict the Liberals will win 1-2 seats. The Alberta Party is done or it may become the new Liberal Party. They will win 0 seats. Here goes...

It could very well be that the only way for the NDP in Alberta to grow is for the Wildrose to decimate all other opposition until only the NDP is left standing, and thus wins the first right of response to the government by default. Kind of how the NDP took off in Newfoundland, federally in the 1980s, and even provincially in Alberta in the 1980s. (Remember Ray Martin went from 2 seats to 16 in 1986.)

That 1980s advantage was not held. One reason was that the PCs decimated the NDP in advertising expenditures in the next election but there were many other reasons as well. Decore came a lot closer to scaring the PCs out of office, although he had a hard time setting up the differences between himself and the PC party Laughing

That also happened in the context of a Liberal surge nationally which took out the NDP. In the 1993 federal election, the Liberals won 4 seats in Edmonton. As the NDP establishes itself, especially since the Liberals do not appear to be coming back any time soon, I think the NDP could conceivably do well here.


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I think that second thoughts might produce some last minute slippage in the Wildrose vote, and the PCs will manage to squeeze the Liberal vote somehwat. I expect there will be a virtual tie in the popular vote, however due to the legislature being somewhat titled in favour of rural areas, Wildrose will win a slim majority by sweeping virtually every seat outside Edmonton and Calgary.

I expect results something like:

Wildrose 45

PC  36

NDP  4

Lib   2

I hope I am wrong...


kropotkin1951
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I predict a low turnout than even last time.  In the 2008 election the turn out was 40.6% and the 2004 it was 44.7%.

The majority opinion about parliamentary politics in Alberta seems to be, "who the fuck cares they're all the same."

Who thinks they can go below a third of the eligible voters?

http://www.elections.ab.ca/public%20website/927.htm


Boom Boom
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Brad Lavigne on P&P tonight said the NDP will likely hold the balance of power in a minority. I wonder if he's reading babble? Laughing


M. Spector
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So what? Andrea Horwath holds the balance of power in Ontario. It just means that the NDP supports the vicious neoliberal agenda of the government in order to prevent another election.

The balance of power means nothing unless you're prepared to use it. If you're afraid of forcing an election, you might as well be dealing with a majority government.


Boom Boom
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Have to agree with you there, MS.


bekayne
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kropotkin1951 wrote:

I predict a low turnout than even last time.  In the 2008 election the turn out was 40.6% and the 2004 it was 44.7%.

The majority opinion about parliamentary politics in Alberta seems to be, "who the fuck cares they're all the same."

Who thinks they can go below a third of the eligible voters?

http://www.elections.ab.ca/public%20website/927.htm

I think it will be at least 45%


Very Far Away
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ghoris wrote:

I think that second thoughts might produce some last minute slippage in the Wildrose vote, and the PCs will manage to squeeze the Liberal vote somehwat. I expect there will be a virtual tie in the popular vote, however due to the legislature being somewhat titled in favour of rural areas, Wildrose will win a slim majority by sweeping virtually every seat outside Edmonton and Calgary.

I expect results something like:

Wildrose 45

PC  36

NDP  4

Lib   2

I hope I am wrong...

 

I hope seat distribution would be like this:

WildRose 41

PC 41

NDP 5

Lib 0

 


jerrym
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NDP leading in 4 ridings - the minimum for party status in legislature. 


Howard
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I'm willing to call Edmonton Strathcona for the NDP, Rachel Notley re-elected.


janfromthebruce
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it sure is going slow jerrym - one person was elected for the PC so far. sign


janfromthebruce
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I'm watching the G & M site and for all the hype for the wild rose party, it sure isn't looking good for them. At this point, they are only leading in 20 ridings where the PCs are leading in 45 - hmm.


Howard
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A vote split is generating a nail-biting result in Lethbridge West. I'm currently read NDP leading with 669 to PC 668.


Howard
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janfromthebruce wrote:

I'm watching the G & M site and for all the hype for the wild rose party, it sure isn't looking good for them. At this point, they are only leading in 20 ridings where the PCs are leading in 45 - hmm.

Yes. This is good and a surprise given the polls. WRA leads seem to be slim in many ridings. While there are very few results in so far, this suggests the PCs could live to govern another day. Shades of Decore.


Howard
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Howard wrote:

A vote split is generating a nail-biting result in Lethbridge West. I'm currently read NDP leading with 669 to PC 668.

Now NDP 1058 PC 995 (from CBC website)


janfromthebruce
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we won a seat but it's not saying where on the globe site????


janfromthebruce
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Rachel won - Howard you are right on! yeah


Howard
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Howard wrote:

Howard wrote:

A vote split is generating a nail-biting result in Lethbridge West. I'm currently read NDP leading with 669 to PC 668.

Now NDP 1058 PC 995 (from CBC website)

Now PC 1407 NDP 1319


Aristotleded24
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Howard wrote:

Howard wrote:

A vote split is generating a nail-biting result in Lethbridge West. I'm currently read NDP leading with 669 to PC 668.

Now NDP 1058 PC 995 (from CBC website)

GO SHANNON GO!!!!!!


janfromthebruce
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Howard, do you have the link to where you are getting the exact numbers?


Howard
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I should have said this earlier, but I will now project a PC majority. The WRA are just way too low (ten points behind) in the early count.


janfromthebruce
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well with all the hype for wild rose the bloom sure came off and is wilting fast Kiss


Howard
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janfromthebruce wrote:

Howard, do you have the link to where you are getting the exact numbers?

Elections Alberta (poor gui, but it loads quickly)

CBC website (you can watch the results live)

CBC live is reporting that some outlets have already called a PC majority


Howard
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Howard wrote:

Howard wrote:

Howard wrote:

A vote split is generating a nail-biting result in Lethbridge West. I'm currently read NDP leading with 669 to PC 668.

Now NDP 1058 PC 995 (from CBC website)

Now PC 1407 NDP 1319

Now PC 1,579 NDP 1,472


Threads
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I think Shannon Phillips might be done this time around.  She's now down over 200 votes.


Doug
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Looks like Wildrose tea partied itself right out of government. Good work!


Howard
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It looks like Brian Mason will be re-elected in Edmonton-Highlands-Northwood. It is still close enough for him to lose but I wouldn't count on it.

The NDP is polling a clear second at Edmonton with 21% currently. The PCs are riding high.


Hurtin Albertan
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Well, I did predict this.  Oh god 4 more years of PC government.....maybe sometime in my life I will see them lose an election.  Hopefully sometime in my life I will see them lose an election.


jerrym
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With the NDP and Liberals polling 7%, it looks like a lot of people voted strategically for the PCs to stop Wildrose as the NDP and Libs were polling from 10 to 13%.

While this is diaappointing, it does mean there were probably significantly more people considering voting NDP under other circumstances. Hopefully we can build on that in the future. Unfortunately there will be no minority government so we could possibly push proportional voting.


ctrl190
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Globe calls majority for PCs.


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