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The Libs could yet leapfrog the NDP for third place. They have 3 MLAs elected vs. 2 for the NDP. The NDP leads in Edmonton-Calder and Edmonton-Beverly-Clareview are extremely small. There are no other possibilities for the NDP, but the Liberals are currently leading in Edmonton-Meadowlark (Sherman's riding) and in a tight 3-way race in Calgary-McCall (one of their incumbent seats) which could yet break their way. If they win both, they will finish with 5 seats to the NDP's maximum 4.
i'm actually pretty satisfied with the results, given that my hoped-for ndp holding the balance of power with 10 seats was a pipe dream. very very glad that most albertans don't want to dismantle their province and make themselves the subject of even more ridicule and scorn across canada. the problem though is that the pcs are in there with another big majority... mmm...
The Liberal could still lose Raj Sherman's seat and not be an official party. I guess the Wild Rose was hurt more than people thought by the loose cannons amongst their candidates and it didn't show up in the latest polls. Did those wingnuts get elected?
The Liberal could still lose Raj Sherman's seat and not be an official party. I guess the Wild Rose was hurt more than people thought by the loose cannons amongst their candidates and it didn't show up in the latest polls. Did those wingnuts get elected?
i can't decide whether i want the liberals to get official status or not. i think i do, get them hammering the government from the left. but then i don't, because the ndp should take liberals out everywhere.
Speaking of wingnuts, Link Byfield (yes, one of those Byfields) is still in a tight race for Barrhead-Morinville-Westlock.
Of the four Wildrose floor-crossers, the only one to be re-elected so far is Anderson in Airdrie. Boutilier and Hinman went down to defeat. Heather Forsyth is trailing by just 30 votes.
I am actually proud to be associated with Albertans in general after this result. They may be naive conservatives, but last night they said to right wing extremists and the rest of Canada,
We, the people of Alberta, are not stupid!
Three cheers for Albertans! There is a ray of hope in Wild Rose Country.
I am actually proud to be associated with Albertans in general after this result. They may be naive conservatives, but last night they said to right wing extremists and the rest of Canada,
We, the people of Alberta, are not COMPLETELY stupid!
Three cheers for Albertans! There is a ray of hope in Wild Rose Country.
I'm sorry but a Tory government and a tory official opposition is absolutely stunned, only in Alberta does a victory for the Tories come off as a big win for progressives. Its like giving Albertans a gold star because they only ate thier crayons and not there glue. Don't get me wrong, Alison seems okay for an Alberta Tory, but still she is still in the same party as Harper.
only in Alberta does a victory for the Tories come off as a big win for progressives. Its like giving Albertans a gold star because they only ate thier crayons and not there glue.
I wonder who Harper voted for: crayons only, or crayons and glue?
Also, for those that think "uniting the left" would push the PCs from power, feast your eyes on the less than 20% the NDP + Libs received.
How much of that is due to strategic voting, rather than first preference voting? Add to that the "What's the use" absentee votes engendered by the lack of proportional representation.
What's the voter turnout? How much of the result can be attributed to the anti-WR vote showing up and going to the party most likely to defeat the WR (ie, in most cases the PCs)?
WR still finished a strong second, and it doesn't look like they and their funding sources will go away after today. If the PCs falter this term, WR will be there, more experienced, with their loose cannons tied down.
My wish is for a one-term coalition of the left and center in Alberta that would implement PR. Seems even more remote at this point with the center now dominated by the Redford PCs. If the PCs falter, where would the anti-WR vote consolidate next election? It would be diluted between Lib and NDP, and maybe the Alberta Party.
Speaking of wingnuts, Link Byfield (yes, one of those Byfields) is still in a tight race for Barrhead-Morinville-Westlock.
Of the four Wildrose floor-crossers, the only one to be re-elected so far is Anderson in Airdrie. Boutilier and Hinman went down to defeat. Heather Forsyth is trailing by just 30 votes.
I am actually proud to be associated with Albertans in general after this result. They may be naive conservatives, but last night they said to right wing extremists and the rest of Canada,
We, the people of Alberta, are not COMPLETELY stupid!
Three cheers for Albertans! There is a ray of hope in Wild Rose Country.
I'm sorry but a Tory government and a tory official opposition is absolutely stunned, only in Alberta does a victory for the Tories come off as a big win for progressives. Its like giving Albertans a gold star because they only ate thier crayons and not there glue. Don't get me wrong, Alison seems okay for an Alberta Tory, but still she is still in the same party as Harper.
As I said before they are only naive in Alberta. I can think of one province next door to Alberta where experiments in private health care services are more extensive than some parts of conservative Alberta.
There were actual protests in Alberta when the very corrupt Ralph Klein first proposed privatizing clinics and hospitals. But there Albertans were and protesting and singing O Canada and standing up for public health care at a time when truly clueless Canadians stood idly by while so called pragmatic centrist governments(cunning liars as opposed to straight-up liars) allowed it to happen in their provinces.
They are not stupid in Alberta just surrounded on all sides by a right wing propaganda machine. And they've just said no effing way to a bunch of ultra right wing wackos. Good for them. I think Albertans deserve a loud round of applause today.
She is squeezing out the NDP. We should have had 15% at least. PCs have to go down and Wild Rose win next election. That will open the door for an NDP opposition.
Every poll was wrong, except in that some showed late momentum to the PCs I am assuming there was a masiive switch over the weekend.
The geographical breakdown is very similar to the 1971 election which was Lougheed's first win. The Cs dominated the big cities and the WR seats are concentrated in the rural south, the last redoubt of Social Credit.
If every vote counted equally, PC voters would have elected 40 of the 87 MLAs, Wildrose 30. Liberal voters would have elected eight MLAs, NDP voters eight, and Alberta Party voters one. A PC-Liberal Coalition Government?
New Democrat voters would have elected a regional MLA from Northern Alberta. Assuming that is the best runner-up: Mandy Melnyk from Redwater. In Central Alberta, a regional MLA: Bruce Hinkley from Wetaskiwin. In Calgary, a regional MLA: Marc Power. In southern Alberta, a regional MLA: Shannon Phillips from Lethbridge. Liberal voters would have elected MLAs across Alberta, not just in Calgary and Edmonton. In Central Alberta, a regional MLA: Michael Dawe of Red Deer. In the 13 ridings of Southern Alberta, a regional MLA: Rob Miyashiro of Lethbridge. In the 23 Edmonton ridings, another MLA: Mo Elsalhy.
Alberta Party voters in Edmonton would have elected one of its founders, Michael Walters.
All MLAs would have faced the voters, and all votes would have counted. Democracy, eh?
Voters for all parties would be represented in all regions, except where they had too few voters to elect even one regional MLA: Liberal Party voters in Northern Alberta, and Alberta Party voters in most of Alberta.
The Libs could yet leapfrog the NDP for third place. They have 3 MLAs elected vs. 2 for the NDP. The NDP leads in Edmonton-Calder and Edmonton-Beverly-Clareview are extremely small. There are no other possibilities for the NDP, but the Liberals are currently leading in Edmonton-Meadowlark (Sherman's riding) and in a tight 3-way race in Calgary-McCall (one of their incumbent seats) which could yet break their way. If they win both, they will finish with 5 seats to the NDP's maximum 4.
i'm actually pretty satisfied with the results, given that my hoped-for ndp holding the balance of power with 10 seats was a pipe dream. very very glad that most albertans don't want to dismantle their province and make themselves the subject of even more ridicule and scorn across canada. the problem though is that the pcs are in there with another big majority... mmm...
The Liberal could still lose Raj Sherman's seat and not be an official party. I guess the Wild Rose was hurt more than people thought by the loose cannons amongst their candidates and it didn't show up in the latest polls. Did those wingnuts get elected?
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PC's could go as high as 68 seats
i can't decide whether i want the liberals to get official status or not. i think i do, get them hammering the government from the left. but then i don't, because the ndp should take liberals out everywhere.
Speaking of wingnuts, Link Byfield (yes, one of those Byfields) is still in a tight race for Barrhead-Morinville-Westlock.
Of the four Wildrose floor-crossers, the only one to be re-elected so far is Anderson in Airdrie. Boutilier and Hinman went down to defeat. Heather Forsyth is trailing by just 30 votes.
I am actually proud to be associated with Albertans in general after this result. They may be naive conservatives, but last night they said to right wing extremists and the rest of Canada,
We, the people of Alberta, are not stupid!
Three cheers for Albertans! There is a ray of hope in Wild Rose Country.
Raj Sherman ahead by 118 votes after all polls reporting. Just declared elected
I wonder who Harper voted for: crayons only, or crayons and glue?
How much of that is due to strategic voting, rather than first preference voting? Add to that the "What's the use" absentee votes engendered by the lack of proportional representation.
What's the voter turnout? How much of the result can be attributed to the anti-WR vote showing up and going to the party most likely to defeat the WR (ie, in most cases the PCs)?
WR still finished a strong second, and it doesn't look like they and their funding sources will go away after today. If the PCs falter this term, WR will be there, more experienced, with their loose cannons tied down.
My wish is for a one-term coalition of the left and center in Alberta that would implement PR. Seems even more remote at this point with the center now dominated by the Redford PCs. If the PCs falter, where would the anti-WR vote consolidate next election? It would be diluted between Lib and NDP, and maybe the Alberta Party.
Most of Harper's caucus supported Wildrose. No surprise.
Byfield eventually lost.
As I said before they are only naive in Alberta. I can think of one province next door to Alberta where experiments in private health care services are more extensive than some parts of conservative Alberta.
There were actual protests in Alberta when the very corrupt Ralph Klein first proposed privatizing clinics and hospitals. But there Albertans were and protesting and singing O Canada and standing up for public health care at a time when truly clueless Canadians stood idly by while so called pragmatic centrist governments(cunning liars as opposed to straight-up liars) allowed it to happen in their provinces.
They are not stupid in Alberta just surrounded on all sides by a right wing propaganda machine. And they've just said no effing way to a bunch of ultra right wing wackos. Good for them. I think Albertans deserve a loud round of applause today.
Redford now has to accommodate left-of-centre voters
She is squeezing out the NDP. We should have had 15% at least. PCs have to go down and Wild Rose win next election. That will open the door for an NDP opposition.
Every poll was wrong, except in that some showed late momentum to the PCs I am assuming there was a masiive switch over the weekend.
The geographical breakdown is very similar to the 1971 election which was Lougheed's first win. The Cs dominated the big cities and the WR seats are concentrated in the rural south, the last redoubt of Social Credit.
If every vote counted equally, PC voters would have elected 40 of the 87 MLAs, Wildrose 30. Liberal voters would have elected eight MLAs, NDP voters eight, and Alberta Party voters one. A PC-Liberal Coalition Government?
New Democrat voters would have elected a regional MLA from Northern Alberta. Assuming that is the best runner-up: Mandy Melnyk from Redwater. In Central Alberta, a regional MLA: Bruce Hinkley from Wetaskiwin. In Calgary, a regional MLA: Marc Power. In southern Alberta, a regional MLA: Shannon Phillips from Lethbridge.
http://wilfday.blogspot.ca/2012/04/if-every-vote-counted-what-would.htmlLiberal voters would have elected MLAs across Alberta, not just in Calgary and Edmonton. In Central Alberta, a regional MLA: Michael Dawe of Red Deer. In the 13 ridings of Southern Alberta, a regional MLA: Rob Miyashiro of Lethbridge. In the 23 Edmonton ridings, another MLA: Mo Elsalhy.
Alberta Party voters in Edmonton would have elected one of its founders, Michael Walters.
All MLAs would have faced the voters, and all votes would have counted. Democracy, eh?
Voters for all parties would be represented in all regions, except where they had too few voters to elect even one regional MLA: Liberal Party voters in Northern Alberta, and Alberta Party voters in most of Alberta.
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