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Latest Polling Thread - Started April 20, 2012

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NorthReport
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Pollster / Date / New Dem / Cons

Forum / Apr 27 / 36%, up 2% / 33%, down 3%  Smile

Nanos* / Apr 27 /  32%, up 7% / 35%, down 1% 

Forum / Mar 30 / 34% / 36%

Nanos / Mar '12 / 25% / 36%

 

* So now the CBC is publishing the Globe's Nanos poll. I suppose the latest Forum poll is too much for them to swallow

 


Very Far Away
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JeffWells wrote:

And also out this morning:

Forum Research poll puts NDP ahead of the Conservatives

 

NDP 36%

CON 33%

LIB 22%

 

Is there a link to this Forum poll? (Detailed results)

This is the first poll that shows NDP is ahead of the CONS. Hope we will see more results like this in the weeks and months ahead.


Arthur Cramer
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NorthReport wrote:

Pollster / Date / New Dem / Cons

Forum / Apr 27 / 36%, up 2% / 33%, down 3%  Smile

Nanos* / Apr 27 /  32%, up 7% / 35%, down 1% 

Forum / Mar 30 / 34% / 36%

Nanos / Mar '12 / 25% / 36%

 

* So now the CBC is publishing the Globe's Nanos poll. I suppose the latest Forum poll is too much for them to swallow

 

NR, LOL!

 


Arthur Cramer
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By the way, I love those sliding Lib numbers. Slowly but surely, as people get to know Tom and watch us in action, we are gainging. I know it is way too early to tell anything at all from these numbers, but this is very encouraging!


NorthReport
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Go the forum research website and sign on to access their polls.

Very Far Away wrote:

JeffWells wrote:

And also out this morning:

Forum Research poll puts NDP ahead of the Conservatives

 

NDP 36%

CON 33%

LIB 22%

 

Is there a link to this Forum poll? (Detailed results)

This is the first poll that shows NDP is ahead of the CONS. Hope we will see more results like this in the weeks and months ahead.


Stockholm
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Very Far Away wrote:

This is the first poll that shows NDP is ahead of the CONS. Hope we will see more results like this in the weeks and months ahead.

Its actually not the first, the Leger poll about 10 days ago also had the NDP slightly ahead.


Bärlüer
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JeffWells wrote:

I can excuse the relatively low NDP figure for Quebec - for whatever reason, Nanos often seems a few weeks behind the trend - but BQ in 4th place has to be down to a small sample size.

Yep. And the Cons at almost 20% seems off-base.


Very Far Away
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Stockholm wrote:

Very Far Away wrote:

This is the first poll that shows NDP is ahead of the CONS. Hope we will see more results like this in the weeks and months ahead.

Its actually not the first, the Leger poll about 10 days ago also had the NDP slightly ahead.

 

You`re right. I forgot about the Leger poll.

 


Arthur Cramer
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NorthReport wrote:

Go the forum research website and sign on to access their polls.

Very Far Away wrote:

JeffWells wrote:

And also out this morning:

Forum Research poll puts NDP ahead of the Conservatives

 

NDP 36%

CON 33%

LIB 22%

 

Is there a link to this Forum poll? (Detailed results)

This is the first poll that shows NDP is ahead of the CONS. Hope we will see more results like this in the weeks and months ahead.

That makes two of us; I'd really like to see how the Prairies is looking, especially Manitoba. Lamoureux has to go!


Howard
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Nanos' regional numbers jump around all over the place. Weird.


Very Far Away
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Very Far Away
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So much info in the last Forum Poll:

NDP: 133 seats

CONS: 118

LIB: 54

G: 1

BQ: 2

 

These numbers are great. However, Mulcair`s French citizenship is a problem for most of the respondents and I don`t think this problem will go away.

 


Sean in Ottawa
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I think Mulcair has to sacrifice it before the Cons start running ads on it.

It is not that his position is wrong -- it just is too much of a distraction and I think he should just admit that and move on.


Stockholm
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Very Far Away wrote:

These numbers are great. However, Mulcair`s French citizenship is a problem for most of the respondents and I don`t think this problem will go away.

I was actually pleasantly surprised that only 44% of Canadians said that they "disapproved" of Mulcair having dual citizenship. That means that 56% either don't care or approve of it!...and of course just because someone "disapproves' of it doesn't mean that its a vote determining issue.

I agree that for Mulcair keeping his French citizenship is more trouble than its worth and if i were him i would give it up just to avoid the distraction - but these polling numbers tell me that this is actually much LESS of a problem than i would have expected.


Very Far Away
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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I think Mulcair has to sacrifice it before the Cons start running ads on it.

It is not that his position is wrong -- it just is too much of a distraction and I think he should just admit that and move on.

 

I agree. I think Cons will start attack ads about Mulcair`s dual citizenship when they feel it`s time to do so. We all know what they did to Dionand Ignatieff. There is no reason for Mulcair / NDP to wait for these CON ads.

I`m a dual citizen and I believe this is not and issue at all. But, majority of Canadians don`t think so. Especially, for someone who can be the prime minister of Canada...

 

 


Lord Palmerston
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The Ontario numbers are Conservatives 38%, NDP 31%, Liberals 28%

There are 2 ways at looking at this: 1) the NDP-Liberal spread is still too thin, and the NDP needs to drive down the Liberals further.  2) With the Conservatives down quite a bit from the 2011 election (though not as much as elsewhere), the Liberals can help knock off Tories in seats like Don Valley West, Eglinton-Lawrence and Willowdale.  


JeffWells
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Striking numbers from the under 35 voters: 47% NDP / 26% Con / 16% Lib

 


Howard
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Lord Palmerston wrote:

The Ontario numbers are Conservatives 38%, NDP 31%, Liberals 28%

There are 2 ways at looking at this: 1) the NDP-Liberal spread is still too thin, and the NDP needs to drive down the Liberals further.  2) With the Conservatives down quite a bit from the 2011 election (though not as much as elsewhere), the Liberals can help knock off Tories in seats like Don Valley West, Eglinton-Lawrence and Willowdale.  

In an election campaign, numbers like that would suggest some serious trench warfare. The spatial distribution of that support is also important.


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not to be the voice of cynicism here, but mulcair just has to announce that he's renouncing his passport.  cut it in half in front of the camera or something like that, and then call the issue dead.  my guess is that he wouldn't even have to show up at the embassy and file whatever forms, that would be enough.  my second guess is that by the time the cpc decides to make an issue of this - it'll already be too late.


Very Far Away
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http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1169498--hebert-ndp-...

 

Very good article. She has 2 great points:

1- "NDP will not win the next election just by keeping the Liberals down; it will also have to beat the ruling Conservatives"

2-There are good reasons why Conservative strategists rarely bother with national polls. In a modern Canadian election, regional breakdowns tell the real story.


NorthReport
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Let's put it this way M Grenier. The Liberals are hovering around 19%, the same level of support where they were devastated during the last election? Will that support last M Grenier, or will that support for the Rae Liberals continue to erode until there is nothing left of the Liberals?  M Grenier, you are obviously upset about the NDP's strength in the polls, but you really need to stop wasting people's time with your silly editiorials.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/mulcair-gives-ndp-significa...


JeffWells
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This is an interesting poll, with a predictably skewed analysis:

 

Lying Tories, commie Dippers, bumbling Grits: Poll puts a pox on all

Nanos asked Canadians to describe the parties in one word. The top results:

Con: Untrustworthy

NDP: Socialist

Lib: Incompetent

Green: Eco-friendly

BQ: Useless

"If there is one overarching message from the online survey conducted on April 13 and 14, it’s that Canadians don’t think highly of any of the country’s major political players."

Sure, maybe to a Conservative pollster and paper who think "Socialist" and "Eco-friendly" are derogatory.

Quote:

In addition to untrustworthy, the Conservatives were described as being conservative (not a lot of imagination put into that one), bad/incompetent, good, trustworthy, controlling and arrogant. They received roughly as many positive responses as negative.

The same was true of the New Democrats, who were called caring, bad/incompetent, good, new, innovative, and trustworthy.

Sadly for the Liberals, just four of the top 15 responses could be considered endorsements. The party was described as bad/incompetent, untrustworthy, good, competent, progressive, powerful and arrogant.

But “I think the killer one was the Bloc,” Mr. Nanos said. Quebeckers called the separatist party narrow-minded, aggressive, boring and incompetent. But “useless” was the real blow.

 

The message Nanos/the Globe have received: the Conservatives are faltering and the NDP are now a serious threat. The message Nanos/the Globe are sending: Meh, they're all the same. Too early to call it vote suppression maybe, but still.


Howard
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I like how Nanos dropped his polls on a "bad news Friday," so they would get the minimum coverage in the press. That's no way to build a business, sir!

Laughing


Arthur Cramer
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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/lack-of-liberal-party-support-due-to-mulcair-honeymoon-bob-rae----149370815.html.

I guess Bob didn't notice that his Libs were solidly in 3rd BEFORE the leadership convention. I still think it is a long time before the election and anything can happen. But man, that guy is so full of himself. What does he want? The Tories in first?

This is why I can't stand the Libs. Its this feeling of entitlement, this arrogance. It truly drives me crazy.


Sean in Ottawa
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Be fair to Nanos on this. There is nothing wrong with the Poll at all.

Lots wrong with the headline which is an absolute lie.

The Article itself is an absolute lie:

"If there is one overarching message from the online survey conducted on April 13 and 14, it's that Canadians don't think highly of any of the country's major political players."

I have written the following to the Globe and Mail editor:I am providing you an opportunity to respond before I bring a complaint regarding an article you published to the Ontario Press Council/

The article:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/untrustwort...
misrepresents a public opinion poll.

I have also placed this comment with details on the article- although I don't know if you will publish it.

*****

This article is the worst journalism -- the headline is an absolute lie and so is this comment:
"If there is one overarching message from the online survey conducted on April 13 and 14, it's that Canadians don't think highly of any of the country's major political players."

If you read the data you cannot help but draw the following fair conclusions:

First drop any neutral comment like defining words- so NDP being socialist is no more negative than Conservatives being conservative or Liberals being Liberal. Also drop don't knows etc.

Then add up the negatives:

NDP 14.3% Conservatives 40.2% and Liberals 48.9%
Then Add up the Positives for each party:
NDP 37.4% Conservatives 32.1% Liberals 29.2%
Then subtract the Negs from the positives:
NDP positive 23.1
Conservatives -8.1
Liberals -19.2

To pretend that this is the same for all parties is a complete falsehood or that people don't think highly of the parties is false.
This is a false representation of a public opinion poll and I intend to complain to this Newspaper and to the Ontario Press Council.
Newspapers have a responsibility to represent opinion polls accurately and tell the truth in articles even if they are biased.\
You philosophically hate the NDP- fine that is your business keep that to your commentary but misrepresenting findings of public opinion polls is over the line.

*****

I hope others will also bring complaints about this poll to the Globe and Mail it is utter garbage that we should accept outright lies on top of extremely biased shoddy reporting.

I have also responded to several people retweeting this poll on twitter making the same comment that the article is a misinterpretation of the poll.

Now Nanos ought to respond by writing himself to the Globe demanding that his poll not be so misrepresented.


bekayne
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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

 

First drop any neutral comment like defining words- so NDP being socialist is no more negative than Conservatives being conservative or Liberals being Liberal. Also drop don't knows etc.

Would the leader of the NDP publicly call himself a "socialist" (not "social democrat")?


Arthur Cramer
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More Bob Rae Conceit:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/04/28/bob-rae-thomas-mulcair_n_1461679.html?ref=canada

 

What is the story on this with the Huff Post. Man they are just Lib mouthpieces. Does anyone have any comments on this or my previous one. Is Rae right or is this just his nonsense?


Sean in Ottawa
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bekayne wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

 

First drop any neutral comment like defining words- so NDP being socialist is no more negative than Conservatives being conservative or Liberals being Liberal. Also drop don't knows etc.

Would the leader of the NDP publicly call himself a "socialist" (not "social democrat")?

I don't know but I am certain that many who identified the NDP as socialist would not have meant that as a negative.


Howard
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Arthur Cramer wrote:

This is why I can't stand the Libs. Its this feeling of entitlement, this arrogance. It truly drives me crazy.

Don't worry about this, your voice doesn't matter. You are only a Westerner and probably not a rich one at that. GTFO while I smoke cigars with my Eastern law school buddies and the son of the son of the son of someone who was once really important and maybe plays golf really well. Now would someone please check my coat? Ticket please!


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