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Inspired by this photo, I think we need a thread about some great films, directed by great women (feature, shorts, documentaries ...)
I watched Waitress on Friday night, by the late director and actress Adrienne Shelly, who was murdered in 2006. It was a sweet little movie about a mother-to-be, in an abusive relationship, in small town U.S.A.
The Savages (written & directed by Tamara Jenkins) was fantastic. Also Me and You and Everyone We Know (written & directed by Miranda July), Blue Car (written & directed by Karen Moncrieff), Lost in Translation (directed by Sofia Coppola), Water or even better,Earth (both by Deepa Mehta), The Jane Austen Book Club (directed by Robin Swicord), Away From Her (directed by Sarah Polley). August Rush (directed by Kirsten Sheridan) might be too wholesome-sweet for some people but I really enjoyed that too. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]
Morvern Callar, directed by Lynne Ramsay, is one of my favorite movies. I haven't tracked down her other stuff but I just read up on some of them and they sound intriguing.
Is anyone else here a fan of Dutch film-meistress Marleen Gorris? Antonia's Line is hands down the best film I have ever seen (Oscar for Foreign Film in 1995), but I also grokked the too-little known A Question of Silence (1982) and Broken Mirrors (1984). All about ordinary women breaking through constraints and not providing explanations.
Bonnie Sherr Klein who directed the documentary "Not a Love Story: A Film About Pornography / C'est surtout pas de l'amour : un film sur la pornographie" and who also happens to be Naomi Klein's mom.
2 awesome creations from this talented Canadian woman.
Thanks for that excellent rundown of movies, Camryn, and welcome to babble.
mary123, I agree, Sherr Klein is excellent. She also did another film documentary about disability, called "The Art of Disability". It's funny, and thoroughly engaging.
Did you know that another Canadian feminist and journalist Michelle Landsberg (who is married to Stephen Lewis - Stephen Lewis is the son of former Federal NDP Leader David Lewis - has a journalist son - Avi Lewis who is married to Bonnie Klein's daughter Naomi ... whew!!!!
Imagine their terrific dinner conversations during the holidays!
Hey Michelle I've have heard about the documentary on disability by Bonnie Klein but haven't seen it yet.... but I will.
And if we broaden the thread description just a tiny bit, Naomi Klein wrote and produced [url=http://www.onf.ca/collection/films/fiche/?id=51363&v=h&lg=en&exp=$%7bthe%7d%2520AND%2520$%7btake%7d] The Take[/url]. (It was directed by Avi.)
Then there's Parsley Days directed (and everything else) by Andrea Dorfman which was well received.
quote:"Parsley Days is a film about breaking up and birth control, two things that we don't often see portrayed in the cinema" says filmmaker Andrea Dorfman. Instead of focusing on the conflict over whether or not to have an abortion, the protagonist in the film knows from the start that she wants an abortion.
At TIFF last year I saw Ping Pong Playa directed by Jessica Yu. It doesn't have major distribution, and from the website, it's screening at some festivals in the US this month and next month. Highly recommended.
Sarah Polley had an excellent short film a few years back called I Shout Love, though I have no idea where I could track it down to watch it again. Does anyone know of video stores etc. in the GTA that would feature shorts?
Try Suspect on Markham or Queen St. Video, which has a second store on Bloor near Suspect. Don't know if losing the Queen St. store to a fire really hammered Suspect's collection or not.
The whole film and television industry is male-dominated. Directing is still very much a boys' club... Producing used to be, and still is to some degree but it is changing, so is writing. Directing will come along later. What can I say? I'm working on it...
Are you done? Now, let me make some predictions here, tell me if I’m wrong. You probably mentioned Sophia Coppola. You probably got Kathryn Bigelow, or more likely, you said “The Hurt Locker lady.” Depending on how film-savvy you are, you may have said Norah Ephron, Amy Heckerling, or if you’re a history buff, Leni Riefenstahl. More than likely, you struggled after three or four names. If you got more than ten, we’ll send you a T-shirt. (Note: No, we won’t.)
The truth is, there’s no actual shortage of female film directors. What is in short supply, however, is opportunity for these women to gain exposure to a massive mainstream audience. We all know there’s a gender disparity in Hollywood. It’s 2012, time to start talking about it.
Somewhere along the line, a myth started that Hollywood is liberal and progressive. No one quite knows why, maybe it’s because film studios don’t hate gay people enough. In any case, this is a falsehood, because all major film production companies are held captive by the same determining factor: The ticket-buying audience. The first factor in the Hollywood gender battle is the fear of losing the demographic that makes a major tentpole release the most money- males ages 18-35. There’s a fear in the entire entertainment industry that men won’t consume works coming to them by female authors. This is nothing new. It’s the reason the Harry Potter books were written by J.K. Rowling and not Joanna Rowling. It’s worth noting that for some reason, male directors are afforded the privilege of appeasing multiple audiences, but women are not. Rob Reiner and Garry Marshall have made their entire careers out of making movies for women, but it’s highly unlikely to see a woman directing a Batman movie, for example.
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[T]he problem lies in getting those precious “breakthrough” jobs which take a director from independent films into the mainstream. Bigelow and Coppola got them, and all they had to do was respectively marry and be fathered by an already-established director. But by far the most egregious and ridiculous example of the “cootie fear” that producers seem to have comes from Catherine Hardwicke and her work on the first Twilight movie. Hardwicke is the most commercially successful female director of all time, and she should be a perfect example of what should be happening. She made a well-recognized independent film (Thirteen), had a few notable misses, then was offered what should have been a no-brainer. Twilight is aimed at young girls, and Hardwicke had already established she knew that audience. However, here’s the key point. When Hardwicke was hired, no one had any idea how huge Twilight was going to be. The rights were picked up by Summit on the cheap when Paramount lost them because they didn’t do anything with them. It was a starter movie for a new company, and when they bought it, they were purchasing a script where Edward fought FBI agents. So when Summit studios began to realize what a cash cow they had, they began to pull away, and ultimately fired Hardwicke from the sequels. (For the record, Hardwicke still claims it was her choice, for the record.) However speculative it may be, it seems suspicious at the very least that the one time a female director was given a high-level project, albeit accidentally, she was rejected in favor of safer, more dependable men when it came down to making actual money.
Alanis Obamsawin directed some stuff for the NFB that is really amazing! Her film Kanehsatake:270 years of resistance about the Oka standoff is one of the best movies i've ever seen!
Director degenders her subject, a man, in interview after interview.
Despite constant attempts to reach you people, nobody wants to listen.
You are the smug, unthinking, unmovable, inert faux-'allies' whose supposed support for trans rights comes right after every other pet cause, including worshipping misogynists masquerading as feminists, that I didn't want to think you were.
Have fun pretending that trans women don't exist or aren't relevant to feminism, etc. If Ms. Magazine won't stop you, I sure as hell can't.
The post that has you offended was made 4 years ago by a babbler who - to the best of my knowledge - hasn't participated in this message board in almost a year.
The thread title is "Kick ass female directors"; not people whose politics are unimpeachable. I think it's entirely possible - perhaps even probable - that most people who watched and appreciated that film have never heard or read an interview with its director. I know I certainly wouldn't want anyone to interpret my saying I like a particular piece of art as endorsing and condoning everything that artist has ever said or done. I have more free time than a lot of folks I know, but even I'd say there's simply not enough hours in a day to do a thorough political background check on anyone I might mention favourably on a message board.
The post that has you offended was made 4 years ago by a babbler who - to the best of my knowledge - hasn't participated in this message board in almost a year.
The thread title is "Kick ass female directors"; not people whose politics are unimpeachable. I think it's entirely possible - perhaps even probable - that most people who watched and appreciated that film have never heard or read an interview with its director. I know I certainly wouldn't want anyone to interpret my saying I like a particular piece of art as endorsing and condoning everything that artist has ever said or done. I have more free time than a lot of folks I know, but even I'd say there's simply not enough hours in a day to do a thorough political background check on anyone I might mention favourably on a message board.
Yeah... and it's been, as you say, four years, and nobody sees this? Pierce is plastered all over This Film is Not Yet Rated and nobody sees this?
It's not the mention, it's the silence. The silence is deafening and as I said, it's too much to be the only person on this board who actually pays any attention whatsoever to trans issues. Women like me are not even an afterthought to the left, save the occasional ally like Bill Siskay. (oh and they burned him from the cuffs up, notice that?)
“The Festival de Cannes — in order to maintain its position and remain true to its beliefs rooted in universal rights — will continue to programme the best films from around the world ‘without distinction as to race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.’”
Quoting from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights would perhaps be relevant (though still annoyingly pretentious) if anyone had actually accused the festival of blatantly discriminating against women. But I doubt anyone believes there’s some grand conspiracy keeping women out. (I mean, it’s 2012–things aren’t that bad still.) Of course, defending themselves against accusations of sexism is only half of what they’re saying here. They’re also biting back at their critics by implying that people who would like to see a bit more diversity in the lineup are demanding (reverse) sexism.
No one actually called for that either. I’m sure Cannes juror and filmmaker Andrea Arnold, who said she would hate the idea of being selected solely because of her gender, is hardly alone among lady directors (or, ya know, women in general). Nobody wants to be a token. But it’s an especially obnoxious brand of white male artist bullshit to so confidently claim that 1) there is such a thing as the objectively, universally “best” films and 2) that simply by having a purportedly gender-blind (and race-, nationality-, etc.) selection process, you’ve successfully found them.
Which is really all the petition was saying anyway. It never said the selections were wrong. It simply called for greater transparency about how they are made–out of a recognition that judging film is an inherently subjective thing: “We judge films as human beings, shaped by our own perspectives and experiences. It is vital, therefore, that there be equality and diversity at the point of selection.” Cannes has shown no evidence that they grasp this fundamental basis of the criticism. They believe they’re running a true meritocracy, so if there’s no women, that’s simply because there weren’t any women good enough.
Director degenders her subject, a man, in interview after interview.
Despite constant attempts to reach you people, nobody wants to listen.
You are the smug, unthinking, unmovable, inert faux-'allies' whose supposed support for trans rights comes right after every other pet cause, including worshipping misogynists masquerading as feminists, that I didn't want to think you were.
Have fun pretending that trans women don't exist or aren't relevant to feminism, etc. If Ms. Magazine won't stop you, I sure as hell can't.
I am now officially done.
I hope you are not going to leave because of a post I made 4 years ago. I am very sorry this has upset you and I would really like to know the background here. If I had any idea the director was a nasty piece of work I would have said so. i did not. I sincerely hope you do not bolt because of a post from 4 years ago.
Stargazer! So great to see you! Don't be a stranger...
RTTG has a lot of knowledge, but she also finds babble a very challenging place due to our comparable lack of familiarity with trans issues. I believe she had already decided that babble isn't currently the place for her, so I wouldn't take her response to your post personally. It was just a parting shot.
I hope your last post wasn't a parting shot for us though!
Stargazer, you're pretty awesome. Catchfire is right. I'm angry not that you didn't know she was cissexist. I'm angry... actually, more frustrated, that nobody else knew or even suspected that a film made by cis people about a trans person was cissexist, as they almost always are, though Better Than Chocolate was okay, save the casting choice for Judy.
Sorry to take out my rage on you. There are other people who actually deserve it.
RTTG, post up some links. I am interested in learning as much as I can and please forgive me for not thinking further than my own views. I am really interested in finding out the story behind this. I'll also do some of my own research. Thanks so much for bringing this to my attention. I really appreciate it.
Director degenders her subject, a man, in interview after interview.
Could you please explain/expand on that? I'm not sure I completely understand.
It's my understanding that the film was based on a true story and that the director took great pains to be sensitive to the gender issues and to be true to Brandon Teena's story in so far as it's possible within the construct of a film narrative. In terms of the film being well-made, it certainly was that.
Inspired by this photo, I think we need a thread about some great films, directed by great women (feature, shorts, documentaries ...)
I watched Waitress on Friday night, by the late director and actress Adrienne Shelly, who was murdered in 2006. It was a sweet little movie about a mother-to-be, in an abusive relationship, in small town U.S.A.
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2 awesome creations from this talented Canadian woman.
mary123, I agree, Sherr Klein is excellent. She also did another film documentary about disability, called "The Art of Disability". It's funny, and thoroughly engaging.
Did you know that another Canadian feminist and journalist Michelle Landsberg (who is married to Stephen Lewis - Stephen Lewis is the son of former Federal NDP Leader David Lewis - has a journalist son - Avi Lewis who is married to Bonnie Klein's daughter Naomi ... whew!!!!
Imagine their terrific dinner conversations during the holidays!
Hey Michelle I've have heard about the documentary on disability by Bonnie Klein but haven't seen it yet.... but I will.
[ 06 February 2008: Message edited by: mary123 ]
Then there's Parsley Days directed (and everything else) by Andrea Dorfman which was well received.
It seems like an excellent resource for both movie lovers and those in the industry.
Agnes Varda directed an amazing indie film called Vagabond.
Alice Wu - Saving Face
Kissed, an excellent Canadian flick, was directed by Lynne Stopkewich.
D.E.B.S was directed by Angela Robinson.
Boys Don't Cry - Kimberly Pierce
CQ2, a French Canadian film was directed by Carloe Laure
The Woodsman (a story about a paedophile - played amazingly well by Kevin Bacon) was directed by Nicole Kassell
Thirteen and Lords of Dogstown - directed by Catherine Hardwicke
In My Skin (Dans Ma Peau) - a brilliant movie - directed by Marina De Van
Waitress was an excellent movie!
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Queen St. is a bit undiscriminating.
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Margarethe Von Trotta
for Rosa Luxemburg, Katharina Blum, and Die Bleierne Zeit (My favourite film of hers).
Mary Harron
I Shot Andy Warhol, Bettie Page
Julie Taymor
Titus, Frida
And I'll mention Leni Riefenstahl if no one else cares to.
Alanis Obamsawin directed some stuff for the NFB that is really amazing! Her film Kanehsatake:270 years of resistance about the Oka standoff is one of the best movies i've ever seen!
Jane Campion
Sweetie
The Piano
Patricia Rozema
Mansfield Park
I've Heard the Mermaids Singing
Gurinder Chadha
Bend it like Beckham
Germaine Dulac: La Souriante Madame Beudet (1922)
"Boys Don't Cry - Kimberly Pierce"
Director degenders her subject, a man, in interview after interview.
Despite constant attempts to reach you people, nobody wants to listen.
You are the smug, unthinking, unmovable, inert faux-'allies' whose supposed support for trans rights comes right after every other pet cause, including worshipping misogynists masquerading as feminists, that I didn't want to think you were.
Have fun pretending that trans women don't exist or aren't relevant to feminism, etc. If Ms. Magazine won't stop you, I sure as hell can't.
I am now officially done.
The post that has you offended was made 4 years ago by a babbler who - to the best of my knowledge - hasn't participated in this message board in almost a year.
The thread title is "Kick ass female directors"; not people whose politics are unimpeachable. I think it's entirely possible - perhaps even probable - that most people who watched and appreciated that film have never heard or read an interview with its director. I know I certainly wouldn't want anyone to interpret my saying I like a particular piece of art as endorsing and condoning everything that artist has ever said or done. I have more free time than a lot of folks I know, but even I'd say there's simply not enough hours in a day to do a thorough political background check on anyone I might mention favourably on a message board.
The Cannes Film Festival opens later with US director Wes Anderson's film Moonrise Kingdom.
His movie, which stars Bill Murray, is one of the 22 movies selected to compete for the festival's biggest prize, the Palme d'Or.
However, the celebrations have been marred by criticism that no female directors will be in competition.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18079080Yeah... and it's been, as you say, four years, and nobody sees this? Pierce is plastered all over This Film is Not Yet Rated and nobody sees this?
It's not the mention, it's the silence. The silence is deafening and as I said, it's too much to be the only person on this board who actually pays any attention whatsoever to trans issues. Women like me are not even an afterthought to the left, save the occasional ally like Bill Siskay. (oh and they burned him from the cuffs up, notice that?)
Where are the women?
RTFA
I hope you are not going to leave because of a post I made 4 years ago. I am very sorry this has upset you and I would really like to know the background here. If I had any idea the director was a nasty piece of work I would have said so. i did not. I sincerely hope you do not bolt because of a post from 4 years ago.
BTW, this is my first post in over a year
Stargazer! So great to see you! Don't be a stranger...
RTTG has a lot of knowledge, but she also finds babble a very challenging place due to our comparable lack of familiarity with trans issues. I believe she had already decided that babble isn't currently the place for her, so I wouldn't take her response to your post personally. It was just a parting shot.
I hope your last post wasn't a parting shot for us though!
Stargazer, you're pretty awesome. Catchfire is right. I'm angry not that you didn't know she was cissexist. I'm angry... actually, more frustrated, that nobody else knew or even suspected that a film made by cis people about a trans person was cissexist, as they almost always are, though Better Than Chocolate was okay, save the casting choice for Judy.
Sorry to take out my rage on you. There are other people who actually deserve it.
Hi Catchfire!!
RTTG, post up some links. I am interested in learning as much as I can and please forgive me for not thinking further than my own views. I am really interested in finding out the story behind this. I'll also do some of my own research. Thanks so much for bringing this to my attention. I really appreciate it.
Could you please explain/expand on that? I'm not sure I completely understand.
It's my understanding that the film was based on a true story and that the director took great pains to be sensitive to the gender issues and to be true to Brandon Teena's story in so far as it's possible within the construct of a film narrative. In terms of the film being well-made, it certainly was that.