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Hyer wants back in caucus

JeffWells
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JeffWells
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I expect he was taken aback by the opposition to his decision in his riding.

 

 

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Hyer tells riding association he's ready to apologize and return to NDP caucus

 

OTTAWA - Just a week after he quit the federal NDP caucus, it sounds like Ontario MP Bruce Hyer might want back in.

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But in a lengthy letter over the weekend to his constituency association's annual general meeting, obtained by The Canadian Press, Hyer says he's still a New Democrat and he's willing to reconsider his decision and to apologize.

Hyer defended the independent voice needed to represent his northern constituents but says in the letter he's ready — in his words — to accept most party discipline and drudgery.

A spokesman in Mulcair's office was unaware of Hyer's letter and said the MP did not speak to the NDP leader before he quit last week and hasn't approached Mulcair about returning.

 

 

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/hyer-tells-riding-association-hes-ready-to-apologize-and-return-to-ndp-caucus-149571985.html


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 sounds pretty flakey


JeffWells
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quizzical wrote:

 sounds pretty flakey

 

Yes. Still, I think the party should demonstrate readiness to welcome him back and accept his concessions that he's made a mistake. (Besides, maybe he's so alienated his riding association that he'll face a strong nomination challenge.)


quizzical
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they can only accept him back if he talks to them


JeffWells
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Well now, talking to local media about this, he sounds like he's eating his apology before he can apologize:

 

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“It’s very simple, and that would be contingent on one huge condition,” Hyer said, sounding anything but the apologetic MP national media are labeling him.

“And that condition is that I be allowed to vote for my conscience for my constituents. If and when that the party decide to do that, yes I’d consider that.”

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“I went to Ottawa believing that I would be able to represent my constituents. Under Jack that worked reasonably well, but since Nycole and now Tom Mulcair, it’s clear that the party thinks that their MPs will do as the party and the leaders and the party says,” he said.

“What I did say to my riding executives and to my members is that if the party is willing to show some flexibility and some sensitivity to the needs of my constituents, then yes, I would – I don’t know if apologize is the right word – but I would try to reintegrate into the party and vote with them most of the time, which I’m usually comfortable with.”

In his letter to the riding association, Hyer was a little more conciliatory toward the party leadership.

http://www.tbnewswatch.com/news/206281/Hyer-reconsidering

So I think he and the party are back where they were last week. Except his apparent flakiness makes him seem damaged goods.


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Paul Gross wrote:

The Return

 

Hilarious.


Ken Burch
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(on edit)so basically, this guy still can't accept that Mulcair had the right to exclude him from the shadow cabinet after he voted to remove the Long Run Registry.

He's demanding to be freed from party discipline without consequences.  Mulcair should ignore him  The NDP can win this riding without him anyway.


adma
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This all sounds more like provincial-Rae-government first-termer stuff--strange for a Federal second-termer...


Stockholm
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Ken Burch wrote:

(on edit)so basically, this guy still can't accept that Mulcair had the right to exclude him from the shadow cabinet after he voted to remove the Long Run Registry.

He's demanding to be freed from party discipline without consequences.  Mulcair should ignore him  The NDP can win this riding without him anyway.

This has nothing to do with the LGR vote. rafferty also broke ranks on the LGR vote and is is in the shadow cabinet. Other MPs who towed the party line on the LGR were dropped. Mulcair has the right to name whoever he wants to a cabinet portfolio for whatever reason.


JeffWells
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And everything we've seen from Hyer since suggests Mulcair exercised good judgement in excluding him.


Stockholm
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The only rationale I can see for welcoming Hyer back into caucus would be the "better to have someone inside the tent pissing out rather than outside the tent pissing in" argument. It might be better to let Hyer come crawling back if he promises to be as quiet as a church mouse and not make any waves for the next three years, if the alternative is to have him outside the NDP and constantly making a nuisance of himself with negative comments and leaking stories about stuff that had had happened in caucus in the past etc...


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I think he should be allowed back into caucus.  Any other approach would run a serious risk of appearing petty.  Allowing him back sends a solid message that people who disagree on some issues will not be excluded from the discussion on that point alone.  It takes varying positions to make good policy, and all points of view can be heard.


JeffWells
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If he apologizes and accepts the discipline of caucus he should be welcomed back. If he's demanding carte blanche for his conscience, then better to have him sitting apart, living with his regrets and voting "95% of the time" with the NDP. Otherwise the party has a Garth Turner on its hands. And who wants that?


Howard
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Hyer is making a fool out of himself. I say, don't interfere with the grace of his fall.


Lou Arab
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Mucker wrote:

I think he should be allowed back into caucus.  Any other approach would run a serious risk of appearing petty.  Allowing him back sends a solid message that people who disagree on some issues will not be excluded from the discussion on that point alone.  It takes varying positions to make good policy, and all points of view can be heard.

There may be good reasons to let him back in caucus but let's all try to remember that:

a) There are other MPs who took the same position on the LGR who are still in caucus, and have senior critic portfolios.  That's a pretty strong signal that 'people who disagree on some issues will not be excluded from the discussion..' and

b) He was not kicked out of caucus for his views.  He left, of his own will, months after the LGR came up in the House.


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JeffWells wrote:

If he apologizes and accepts the discipline of caucus he should be welcomed back. If he's demanding carte blanche for his conscience, then better to have him sitting apart, living with his regrets and voting "95% of the time" with the NDP. Otherwise the party has a Garth Turner on its hands. And who wants that?

I agree with you Jeff.

I'd rather not have another Bev Desjarlais-type scenario, where having a former NDP M.P. running as an Independent causes a split vote to let another party win the seat.

We need to have all of our guns aimed at the Harperites in 2015, and none at ourselves.

 


Caissa
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David Young wrote:

We need to have all of our guns aimed at the Harperites in 2015, and none at ourselves.

 

Ony the registered ones. Wink

 


janfromthebruce
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I think he should be let back in and for all the reasons mentioned above. We are suppose to be a party of being inclusive and also empathetic towards others - empathy and understanding begins with those closest to us.


Caissa
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I agree. Yet he left in a very public manner. At the very least he owes the leader and the caucus and explanation as to why he wants to return and how he intends to operate as a member of caucus.


Mucker
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I think allowing him back would be a good chance for Mulcair to remove any remaining doubt about his ability to "work with people".  He was slammed during the leadership campaign for being too strong-willed and petty.  What could be less petty than allowing Hyer back into the fold?

When you really think about it, there isn't much to be gained by refusing to take him back.  It just looks like hubris.


JeffWells
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I think what's in doubt here is Hyer's ability to work with others. If he's saying now, essentially, that the party owes him an apology, then the party is better off without him.


DSloth
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I'm all for letting Hyer back in but there is a fundamental tension here, everyone knows Hyer quit because he didn't get into the shadow cabinet (there wasn't exactly any subtelty to his timing) but by storming off like that, then changing his mind, then making demands for his readmission he's pretty definitively demonstrated why he should never be allowed into a critic role. 


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Paul Gross wrote:

The Return

Like.


Unionist
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I think Mulcair should apologize to him; not let him back; then apologize to Bob Rae, and hope he returns.

Well, I didn't want to just repeat someone else's suggestion, so I made up my own.

 


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Unionist wrote:

I think Mulcair should apologize to him; not let him back; then apologize to Bob Rae, and hope he returns.

Well, I didn't want to just repeat someone else's suggestion, so I made up my own.

Hope he returns to Ontario?  Is there going to be a Ont. NDP leadership race. I think Bob would be a shoo in if he ran. 

I think Mulcair should apologize to May because its May Day and Hyer should apologize to everyone in the country for misusing his 15 minutes of fame.


Unionist
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I think Mulcair should sing: "I want to take you, Hyer!"

 


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Caissa
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You must be Stoned.


Unionist
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Caissa wrote:

You must be Stoned.

Is that an observation, or an exhortation?

 


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